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On August 19 2011 07:14 Hossinaut wrote:
Not to be contradictory, and this guide is amazing, but its possible to survive most everything with a 15 hatch. I've survived everything but a 13/10 pool (double extractor +evo) and triple spine crawler rush with a 15 hatch.
I think ZvZ is more of a macro game now, at least in the games I've played, and more of a tech race, than it is an early game sling/bling micro fest. I may be way off, but thats what I've personally seen.
Thanks for the sling/bling guide for ZvZ <3
Heaven knows i need it :D
10 pool DET drone semi all-in will auto-win vs 15hatch
It's had a bit of an evolution if you check out GSL. First vid was a blind 10pool 10 drone rush in Dimaga vs Nestea from the world all-star tourney (forget the name exactly) back in april or may.
Since then Nestea has used it three times (I think), and twice in the GSL July final vs Losira.
It's not actually possible to hold 6 lings + 8 drones if you 15hatch unless you've scouted on 9 and found the 10pool before you dropped your hatch. I recommend finding a friend and trying to figure out a way to hold it, because you will be my hero if you can.
Chaos,
I've read your zvz guide several times and it's been a tremendous resource for me thusfar as I'm getting back into serious 1v1 mode in season 3. Is there a chance you would add a section to address 13/13 ling bling all-in?
 vs Greentea vs Michael ![[image loading]](http://www.topreplays.com/img/layout/download.png)
I started watching idra's stream vods lately and he always loses to this because he goes 14/14 into expo standard. I like to copy him but since he doesn't ever bother to play safely against it, I feel like I , too don't know how to play safely against it.
My micro is terrible and this is against the #1 player on SEA but I won't make any excuses (even though I had a new hotkey setup that game too!  ). To be honest, I think any platinum-level player or above who can execute this build would beat me though, because I don't really know how to defend it with 14/14 expo. Is it possible and I'm just bad?
Anyway, what should I be doing? Is it purely micro-related that I lose a game like this, or are there some major issues with my decision-making? Logically I feel like I should be safe if I 14/14 ling defensive bane, but it never seems to work out.
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The answer is simple, don't expand when you see a one base play. IdrA is a player I really like but his early game is absolutely appalling. He prefers to have more drones to 4 more lings to hold off attacks. He doesn't split his banelings and just decides the build is cheese and that's the end of that, he won't improve until it starts to be come a problem and but when he does improve he does it rapidly. IdrA's ZvT is phenominal however, and I praise it every time I see it.
AcerNerchio is a Zerg that is amazing with one base play. I have been following him, Dimaga and Nestea for some time ZvZ wise. The best way to deal with a 13/13 is to stay on one base. He needs to all in regardless because he got the pool so quickly, you don't need the map control.
When you are sure it is a 13/13, just start building your wall in your base. Block off the two main paths with buildings like the Spawning pool and an evolution chamber. Put a Spine crawler behind the evolution chamber and put a Queen on hold position between the Hatchery and spawning pool. Just block off as many entrances in your mineral line as possible and keep your Zerglings behind the wall. A 13/13 will have a ton of banelings out but hardly any Zerglings. So just snipe the Banelings with individual lings, Queens and the Spine crawler. After you held the first attack, you should already be ahead but you can get the +1 ranged attack so you can do a timing attack with +1 roaches while still on one base. If he expands he just loses straight up because he will have inferior unit numbers and inferior tech.
There's a ton of tips for Baneling and Zergling micro in my guide. You just need to improve your ling bling micro, I'm sure there are some UMSes around where you can train those.
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Oh my, I just read the part about ferrying queens around in overlords to transfuse because they are so immobile. I could see this working in the lategame when used with ultras. Dayum, I'm going to try that out.
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Here's ZvZ Replay pack of my style : [url blocked]
The most notable things happening in the games have been put in the title of the file. So that should make it a little bit easier to browse through them to see which one you need for improvement. I think the most notable thing to see is with every baneling war I tend to have 1 or 2 more drones than the opposing zerg.
ZvT replay pack is coming up too. ZvP won't make an appearance any time soon because I am trying out new styles that aren't in the guide and I am losing due to terrible control and drone-decision making on my part.
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I tried downloading the replay pack, but it says the file is unavailable 
Which makes me sad, because I really liked the guide
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Your blog looks sick. Thank you so much for all there contents (I wish there is the same amount for terran >.> ) I'm gonna have fun switching race to zerg >.<
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On October 03 2011 08:57 boon2537 wrote:
Your blog looks sick. Thank you so much for all there contents (I wish there is the same amount for terran >.> ) I'm gonna have fun switching race to zerg >.<
Raceswitching is really tough, but I wish you all the best on it. The decision making part of the guides should be enough to get you to platinum. But you'll still have to learn the quite different zerg gameplay and droning + inject timings.
You'll only start feelign comfortable with your macro once you start getting positive winrates, which should take you quite some time. But its very rewarding once you get there.
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Chaos, I've personally been favoring pool then hatch then gas openings in ZvZ lately. I couldn't help but wonder on your take of this opening.
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Personally, I think its terrible. You delay your ling speed and baneling nest and you can't pressure the enemy nor defend against banelings well. You're just investing a ton of minerals into a hatch that only gives you more larva for slow lings, which are terrible
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Wow this helped me out so much. I am a master terran learning to play zerg on a diamond smurf account. I like this adaptible 14/14 opening.
I just played a game agasitn a 15 hatch and I did speedling to force less drones and took my hatch like you said. Worked like a charm. Had a much more fun game than the 10 pool all in strat I had been doing.
Thanks for all the time you put into this. :D
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nice! i learned some stuff and will probably start trying to actually do the baneling wars instead of going fast roaches from now on (or at least a little bit)
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Your accent is not bad at all... but of course, this is coming from the same guy who made you do a Dimaga quote, just cuz it fit so perfectly...
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I really cant thank you enough. This is the most inspirational read and really gives me a grasp on the matchup I was most lost in and really knew nothing about. Once again thank you for your time and your lesson.
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One of the best guides i have seen here! The guide on your website is even better.
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Excellent guide, the pictures really increase the quality!
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On October 21 2011 19:32 Paperplane wrote:
Excellent guide, the pictures really increase the quality!
Thanks! I'm glad I hosted the images on imgur instead of my own site... already over 550 gigs of bandwidth has been used just from the guide images alone ( all of the guides though ).
I should be able to get more replays for the ZvT guide up soon, still a lot of things to do for school though.
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Here's another replay pack from my style, this time with a lot more 14/14 play than before, and the added 1414vsSpeedlingExpand freewins. http://www.mediafire.com/?3gc6l0n7iyghxll
I noticed that the previous replay pack has been deleted, I'll reupload if anyone is interrested 
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