EPTI am diamond, he is GM.
For this reason, I am requesting some relatively cheesy builds to give me a fighting chance
Huge thanks in advance! :D:D
[R] PvT Cheese
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JKholodnov
66 Posts
I am diamond, he is GM. For this reason, I am requesting some relatively cheesy builds to give me a fighting chance Huge thanks in advance! :D:D | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
Although, if you know your opponent doesn't wall in, you could also try a proxy 2gate | ||
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JKholodnov
66 Posts
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LojiQaen
Canada33 Posts
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JKholodnov
66 Posts
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LojiQaen
Canada33 Posts
I would still be wary, but I'm sure you knew that. As far as builds, I'm a Z, no help here, sorry :b | ||
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JKholodnov
66 Posts
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Swad1000
United States366 Posts
Mcs gas first 4 gate void ray all in is strong once you practice the proxy stargate timings. He used this versus MKP in the gsl world championship on crevasse. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 07 2011 11:50 JKholodnov wrote: How would the 3gate vr stack up against the relatively standard 1-1-1 allin? siege tanks banshees marines Marines+siege lose to 3gate zealots while tank+banshees lose to void rays/phoenix (it will hit before cloak) Note you will also hit before the 1-1-1 timing is ready, and usually the raven is produced first, and it is useless against voids+lots | ||
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JKholodnov
66 Posts
On August 07 2011 11:53 Swad1000 wrote: You can play around with 1-2 gate proxy on certain maps. Mcs gas first 4 gate void ray all in is strong once you practice the proxy stargate timings. He used this versus MKP in the gsl world championship on crevasse. Thanks! will go look up the vod On August 07 2011 11:54 101toss wrote: Marines+siege lose to 3gate zealots while tank+banshees lose to void rays/phoenix (it will hit before cloak) Note you will also hit before the 1-1-1 timing is ready, and usually the raven is produced first, and it is useless against voids+lots Would the unit comp on that mix be zeals out of gates and drop gas into VR's? or just burn gas on stalkers instead? | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 07 2011 11:56 JKholodnov wrote: Thanks! will go look up the vod Would the unit comp on that mix be zeals out of gates and drop gas into VR's? or just burn gas on stalkers instead? Depends on their composition. If there are banshees, I would use stalkers. If there are tanks, I would have more lots. If it's a ton of marines, I would throw in sentries. But yes, constant VR production with the gas is needed (unless there is a banshee rush, then chrono out pheonix) | ||
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KingofGods
Canada1218 Posts
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On August 07 2011 12:11 KingofGods wrote: If you are up against a GM and you don't normally get to play vs. GM, this is your perfect opportunity to improve (at least that's how I would feel). So play your standard game and see how you match up, how you need to improve, etc. Even as Masters, knowing the rank of my opponent basically dictates whether I marine/scv all-in or play standard. Against a diamond I don't want to spend 15 minutes and then crush him, just get through to the next round quickly. I suggest proxy 2 gate because he will most likely all-in you himself with superior micro. | ||
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JKholodnov
66 Posts
On August 07 2011 12:11 KingofGods wrote: If you are up against a GM and you don't normally get to play vs. GM, this is your perfect opportunity to improve (at least that's how I would feel). So play your standard game and see how you match up, how you need to improve, etc. I feel relatively well with my macro, however early game timings are my weakest point in pvt. I currently have a 76% win vs terran, and all those losses are pre-10 minute timings. Essentially I plan on playing standard g1, but if I lose, hell why not bust out a cheese? ALSO - does anyone remember a game recently where a EU toss played a EU terran in a bo3 and did proxy voids both games? (one game was on shakuras, other was on shattered temple) I want to say it was naniwa,,,, | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
BOSS Cannon Rush http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228253 He shows how to cheese like a boss. | ||
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lazydino
Canada331 Posts
On August 07 2011 12:19 Blazinghand wrote: Might I point you towards a solid article written by the one and only Hot_Bid... BOSS Cannon Rush http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228253 He shows how to cheese like a boss. This won't work against terran, DONT try it. | ||
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valedictory
United States37 Posts
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Subztance
United States139 Posts
On August 07 2011 12:19 Blazinghand wrote: Might I point you towards a solid article written by the one and only Hot_Bid... BOSS Cannon Rush http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228253 He shows how to cheese like a boss. Only works on other protoss | ||
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Karmablah
Canada48 Posts
[G] Warp Prism 4Gate PvT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233968 | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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TheKRoc
United States74 Posts
10 Gate 2 Probes w/ 1 Chrono 12 Gate 2 Probes w/o Chrono 14 Pylon Zealots! When your first Zealot gets there, see if he walls. If so, you need to gas immediately, stop zealots momentarily, and make a CyberCore. From here, you can start making Chronoed Stalkers (throw down a third gate at some point) or go into 3G blink play, probably not what you want to do. If not, throw down a third gate and keep rallying Zealots to ze minerals. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
Also, void ray rushing, even by proxy, may not work if he opens 2rax MM or 3rax cheese. I'd be really cautious about that one. | ||
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tuestresfat
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
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doner0
United States233 Posts
GOOD LUCK!!! | ||
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On August 07 2011 11:50 JKholodnov wrote: How would the 3gate vr stack up against the relatively standard 1-1-1 allin? siege tanks banshees marines It's not very good because he'll have a lot of marines and can get easy access to vikings but if you recognize that he's doing the 1-1-1 early and switch to phoenix instead you will have the edge generally. | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On August 07 2011 11:50 JKholodnov wrote: How would the 3gate vr stack up against the relatively standard 1-1-1 allin? siege tanks banshees marines IMO it's the only way to actually survive that attack if it's done properly by a player two leagues above you . Mind you your timing will have to actually be perfect. | ||
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EMPaThy789
New Zealand878 Posts
- on 2 player maps like xel naga, proxy 2 gate in their base. - normal 2 gate - hidden dt tech - hidden expo really quick - 3gate vr - warp prysim with sentrys to blokc his units out while you wreck his base thats about all the cheese i can think of | ||
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
Marines are just so strong early game. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Greenworld
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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taldarimAltar
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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
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quillian
United States318 Posts
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