10 Pylon
10 Gate
2 Probes w/ 1 Chrono
12 Gate
2 Probes w/o Chrono
14 Pylon
Zealots!

When your first Zealot gets there, see if he walls.

If so, you need to gas immediately, stop zealots momentarily, and make a CyberCore. From here, you can start making Chronoed Stalkers (throw down a third gate at some point) or go into 3G blink play, probably not what you want to do.

If not, throw down a third gate and keep rallying Zealots to ze minerals.

Chargelot

2275 Posts

August 07 2011 04:15 GMT

#24

Just remember, cheese is a crutch. If you don't know how to walk, it won't matter that you have a crutch. Likewise, if that crutch is kicked out from under you, you're going to fall.

Also, void ray rushing, even by proxy, may not work if he opens 2rax MM or 3rax cheese. I'd be really cautious about that one.

tuestresfat

2555 Posts

August 07 2011 06:03 GMT

#25

do you know the maps you will be playing on? the strength of many cheese builds are dependent on the map.

XiGua

Sweden3085 Posts

August 07 2011 06:09 GMT

#26

So, how did it go? This was 4 hours ago. Did you do the 3 Gate VR?

doner0

United States233 Posts

August 07 2011 06:14 GMT

#27

dark templar rush, cannon rush, 4 gate, hide a pylon in base, cannon rush, and probably a proxy stargate our your best bets for cheese. but DT's are always my favorite

GOOD LUCK!!!

JKira

Canada1002 Posts

August 07 2011 06:16 GMT

#28

On August 07 2011 11:50 JKholodnov wrote:
How would the 3gate vr stack up against the relatively standard 1-1-1 allin? siege tanks banshees marines

It's not very good because he'll have a lot of marines and can get easy access to vikings but if you recognize that he's doing the 1-1-1 early and switch to phoenix instead you will have the edge generally.

althaz

Australia1001 Posts

August 07 2011 08:56 GMT

#29

On August 07 2011 11:50 JKholodnov wrote:
How would the 3gate vr stack up against the relatively standard 1-1-1 allin? siege tanks banshees marines

IMO it's the only way to actually survive that attack if it's done properly by a player two leagues above you

. Mind you your timing will have to actually be perfect.

EMPaThy789

New Zealand878 Posts

August 07 2011 09:06 GMT

#30

ideas:
- on 2 player maps like xel naga, proxy 2 gate in their base.
- normal 2 gate
- hidden dt tech
- hidden expo really quick
- 3gate vr
- warp prysim with sentrys to blokc his units out while you wreck his base

thats about all the cheese i can think of

Zombo Joe

Canada850 Posts

August 07 2011 09:07 GMT

#31

3 Gate voidray allin and DT rush are the best cheeses you can do to him.

Willzzz

United Kingdom774 Posts

August 07 2011 10:03 GMT

#32

These cheese plays are so unlikely to work vs a GM opponent. But I'm very happy for protoss to keep trying them

Marines are just so strong early game.

EmilA

Denmark4618 Posts

August 07 2011 10:13 GMT

#33

Proxy gate if 2 player map and 3g voidray if not

Greenworld

93 Posts

August 07 2011 10:19 GMT

#34

1 base fast colosus + range , if you manage to hide the tech he will assume voidray or dts = turrets and a lot more marins = autowin.

Gladiator6

Sweden7024 Posts

August 07 2011 10:29 GMT

#35

He will probably do 1/1/1 or 2 rax + expo like most terrans out there. I would prepare something according to that, HuK's 20 food expo -> 4-5 gate + robotics can if you cut probes hold 1/1/1 if you are good and if you are really good perhaps hold 2 rax, but doubtful. Also that also beats 1 rax + fe. I would deffinetly check that out, I think your chances are better doing that then taking a chance with 4 gate perhaps and lose game in 6 mins.

taldarimAltar

973 Posts

August 07 2011 10:57 GMT

#36

I don't recommend playing standard, i mean diamond v GM is gna be real hard for you. You can do the 6/7 gate sentry chargelot w +1 armour allin, but i think it hits after the popular 1-1-1 timing. Genius did it against boxer in the up/down matches i think

Crying

Bulgaria778 Posts

August 07 2011 11:08 GMT

#37

5gate + prism = sick ownage in the terran base
1base

quillian

United States318 Posts

August 07 2011 21:16 GMT

#38

Can someone link to a decent 3 gate voidray build? Also, what are the advantages over g'nai's 2 gate stalker pressure into void ray? I like the timing on the 12/15 two gate, but it cuts some probes. will a "normal" 3 gate void ray keep up decent pressure early?

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