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Last Edited: 2011-05-30 09:55:37
May 28 2011 12:16 GMT
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The mentality of a pro gamer: A lifestyle for life

**The aim of this article lies more on self-control, getting into a better mentality and knowing yourself well enough to deal with situations in a most constructive manner.**

A growing world of Esport means a growing group of aspiring pro gamers

As many of you already know, the E-sport scene has been growing at a rapid rate for a while now. It spiraled out of control with the release of Street Fighter 4 and Starcraft 2. Two good games with a lot of depth and balance, and a huge crowd behind it. Livestreaming made the E-sport sector explode in combination with these games.

Games are becoming more then just a way to relax and have some fun. They are turning into a new generation type of mental sport, where people have the chance to show off their mental skills and mind games. Of course you can still enjoy games, and you can still play them to relax and have fun, but if you like competition, the E-sport world can be another means of satisfying your competitive needs.

A lot of people are following some of the top players of games now; via live streaming, tournament broadcasts, interviews, own fansites. Just like you have fans following other famous sportsmen and women.
Some of them want to get good at a game and become succesful pro gamers. Only a few will ever make it to the top.

There are a lot of factors involved in this like time, talent, motivation, attitude, joy, support and the list goes on. For players that want to get to the top, or at least attempt to reach the top, it can sometimes feel like an uphill battle. Many times, a wall will be hit where it just seems you will never be able to get any further. This is your limit, you give up, the odds are too slim, you get too nervous, you fear or hate losing games. The game is not balanced, you played a lot of games per day to train but it does not seem to get you anywhere. It is an endless loop.

Many players will probably recognize a few of the thought patterns that are mentioned above. Especially players that are trying to climb up the mountain where the best players hang out. It goes without saying that reaching the very top of anything will be quite the challenge for any person. But there are ways to gain succes and reach your goals. A certain mentalitity and mindset that will keep you going no matter what, but does not exhaust you over time.


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Interview with oGs.Nada, a popular Korean Starcraft player



The mentality of a pro gamer: Starcraft 2 point of view

Most people know that the top players train a lot, probably close to an average workday worth of time is invested in improving their play almost every day. During interviews you often hear some of these top players say things like: "I train 8 hours a day, you just have to keep practicing, you have to push yourself to the next level."

While this is nothing short of solid advice, many people that want to reach the top and read these interviews, misunderstand the true meaning of these answers. They start playing an insane amount, just spamming games all day, every day. Even if they don't feel like playing, they force themselves to play anyways, because they MUST play X amount of games every day to get better. That's what the pro gamers do right?

Then they hit that oh so lovely wall that we all know about. You cannot move forward any longer, you cannot understand why you are not getting better anymore. You start getting frustrated, oh my god another loss, this will look horrible on my record. The nervosity or rage increases, every loss enrages you and you quickly dive into another game, only to lose again and again. Never mind being the next best gamer, I will never make it. How can someone like Grubby reach the top and why do I fail?

Well here is why: You are doing it wrong!

I will give a thorough explanation of the mentality that a player like Grubby has, that allows him to reach that level that so many fail to reach.



Getting into the head of a top player

Pro gamers deal with certain factors in a totally different way then the "average joe in the gaming world". They will be able to turn losses into "wins", a dissapointment into hope and joy, and squeeze out an extra ounce of efficiency when training hardcore. I will divide the mindset and mentality and give you an understanding of how you should be thinking if you really want to get high up in the ranks.



The Basics
You want to be doing everything stemming from some basic ground rules that you can always fall back on and that will point you to a positive direction every single time. A few good basics that almost all pro players posses:


1) Empty your head.
Instead of overthinking everything you are doing, it is often best to just take your mind off of your task for a while. Short breaks give your brain the time to process some of the information. It also gives you a chance to balance out your adrenaline levels, and become calm again, especially if you had a long and tense game.

Your focus will be much stronger and constant if you take small breaks as well. The most important thing is to just NOT think of anything SC2 related and have some fun, play around a bit, anything that does not require much focus and helps you get rid of anything that bothers you.

Now you might say that you often watch pro players play countless games in a row without breaks on stream. While this is true, it is also true that these players have much higher stamina, more experience, and generally don't have to work out as much information since they have already invested insane amounts of time in figuring out the game and their own behaviour and strengths/weaknesses.




2) Losing is winning, walls are your friends.
What is this guy talking about? Losing sucks, and walls mean you are stuck and reached your limit! Doh! -Not if you dig deeper and move past the initial feel that conventional wisdom has trained you to feel when you do not succeed at something. Society trains you in a way that says: If you do not succeed, you fail. You made an error. Shame on you! -This does not seem beneficial right? Let's turn this switch off and replace it with a shiny new one!

For the best players, losing is not accompanied by a feeling of shame, and not seen as failure. It is seen as a chance to learn something, to improve and adjust. The only time you should only ever feel slightly dissapointed is if you lose the finals of a big tournament. But even then, you got REALLY far, so that must mean you are doing something right. When a pro player loses, he will then examine why he lost from the core of his play and mindset.

So they don't say things like "I lost because his army was bigger, man I sucked there, I must spam more games and I will become better and not lose anymore". Instead this is what the thought process of a pro gamer is:

Ok so I lost, why did I lose? I load up the replay of the game. What was my general plan for this matchup and map? Why did I make decision X and Y? Was it because I felt I had too, even if I had no means of actually knowing for sure by analysis and deduction? So I made that decision because I feared X, does that normally fit into my decision making style? What do I need to change about my decision making process?

Which decision would give me the best chance to survive and increase my chance to win the longer the game goes on? This should be the base reasoning from now on when I face similar situations. I know that I can sometimes get a bit annoyed or have a bit of tunnel vision during these moments in a game, how can I decrease the frequency of these negative traits playing a role in the outcome of a game? I know myself well enough to say that losing 3 times in a row lowers my morale. I should stop here, take a break and analyse later. When I feel like playing again, I will play.

A very nice way to analyse your play and come up with ways to beat the strategies and timings you are struggling with, is explained in the following 3 Day[9] dailies. These are generally for Master league +, but even if you are not, it is wise to watch these dailies to get a better idea of how to approach certain problems. Watch them in the right order or you'll get confused .

1) http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-281-hardcore-tvp-analysis-part-1-5005799
2) http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-282-hardcore-tvp-analysis-part-2-5009872
3) http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-283-hardcore-tvp-analysis-part-3-5020511

If you want to steal builds and learn how to figure out builds and how the money flow vs unit flow vs timings is arranged, check out these Day[9] dailies:

1) "Stealing a build" - http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-285-newbie-tuesday-stealing-a-build-5034680
2) Refining the build - http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-289-newbie-tuesday-refining-a-stolen-build-5062263


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3) Transmuting these setbacks into pure gold.
So you lost a few games, but it does not matter to you. You know that this is a perfect chance for you to work on your weaknesses, your blind spots. Over the months of training you figured out a few things about yourself: You don't play well when tired, you tend to play sloppy when nervous, and you become angry if you lose a few times in a row. Well thank god that you know!

Everytime you don't feel fit, or are not in the mood, you don't play but just do something else. This can be some physical workouts, walking your dog, having some fun, doing things that completely take your mind off Starcraft 2. When you feel like playing, it's time to head back and get right into it. This prevents burnout and tunnelvision. It prevents "blindness".

All charged up, you analyse your own behaviour and thinking patterns during the games you lost, and notice you can figure it out a lot easier after your mind had some time to process all the information. You write down exactly why you made decisions, where the flaws lie in your gameplay and mechanics, and the timings and decision making of your enemy. You can even go deeper and analyze the same build that your enemy uses, from players in other fights and compare the numbers. You know what to expect when you see or don't see X at Y time in the game on Z map.

After writing this all down, you make a plan of what you want to work on. Then you execute that plan and play some games where you pay a lot of attention to the decisions you make and the why, you double check if you stick to your planned builds in matchups and on maps, and make little adjustments based on previous experience. You stop fighting your enemy, you start fighting yourself. The best pro gamers fight a game against themselves when doing 1v1, whether it be on ladder or in tournaments.

Now this might sound silly, but it is really not. Just think about it, you need to execute your build flawlessly to be efficient at the maximum level. You need to guide yourself through decisions, help yourself avoid your pitfalls and weaknesses in a game. You need to check if you are doing things in the right order, based on a priority system that works for YOU, and you alone.

If you learn to beat your fears and nervosity during games, you gain a lot more control over your play and decision making. If you can get in tune with yourself and beat your own weaknesses by covering them with your strengths and improving on them by laying your focus on a set amount of weaknesses you want to train every day, your enemy will not really matter.


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In conclusion

In the end, it is all about how you handle incoming information, and avoid all the things that make you play bad. A pro gamer knows exactly how he will act, and how he will feel under certain conditions. They know exactly what to look for and work on. They move past the wall and past the shame of losing, since losing only helps them get to know themselves better, and improve even more.

So you see, the true meaning of "practice and play a lot, don't give up and enjoy, push yourself to the next level" has a hidden meaning behind it. On the surface it's rather simple and short. Behind the curtains though, lies a whole range of processing, learning and coping. This is where most players trying to become good fail. It is not because they are bad, it is just that they don't have good basics to work from. They haven't learned how to learn best and find their own methods that work for them alone.

This is why every top gamer practices in a different way. You cannot just blindly copy what top players do without first understanding the underlying reason. That is what we call mimicking. Moving in the same way as someone else moves, but who is 1 ft taller and has a soar leg and limps, is not really efficient. For you taking smaller steps and not limping is much more beneficial. It works for you, but not for the taller guy.

This is a huge wall of text, but it should clear up a lot of the confusion among aspiring players that want to become as good as their heroes. This mentality does not only serve you in Starcraft 2, this mentality will serve you for life, and make your life a lot more balanced. The most important thing is to follow your heart, and do what feels right for you. To think out of the box, using your imagination and dreams to guide you right to the goal you have set.

Sadly this is not the "end all be all" guide for improving. But I do hope I can help people get on the right track by writing this article. I post my full articles on both TeamLiquid and my own blog: http://entering-esport.blogspot.com. I want to share the information with the TL community since it is the most mature community in my opinion.
Feel free to give constructive feedback, it is highly appreciated! And call me out on grammatical mishaps, english is not my native language.

The world lies at your feet. It is up to you to live your life the way you want to. Don't take big leaps, but take small and calculated steps. You won't faceplant quite as hard and can keep going.

~Masayume


Edit 1: Added some Day[9] dailies that connect with the topic discussed and may further help people to develop their play.

Edit 2: Added a PM + my response on how to deal with rage when losing. I have removed the name to ensure the person stays anonymous. I will add more to this thread as they come in, so it gives examples to a broader range of specific situations. P'M examples may be slightly modified to fit the thread better.


Dealing with rage when losing PM

Original Message From Mr X:

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Hello there,

Im not usually one to go to strangers for help but i think you might actually be able to help me. Im currently in silver after a 2 month break from the game and i would love to be like some other top protoss players and participate in tournaments etc. I loved your post on the pro mentality but i was wondering if you had some way to stop the amounts of rage i have when losing multiple games in a row.

im ecstatic when im winning but my rage from losing makes me exit starcraft when I would rather keep laddering.



Response:

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Hello Mr X,
Rage is something that can be really hard to control at first when playing the ladder, but it is generally something that is easy to overcome once you get your mindset straight.

First of all try to find the reason why you get angry when you lose. Is it because you make mistakes? Is it because you know you could have done way better? Having a bad day in general? Getting "cheesed"?

The first thing you need to remind yourself of when you lose is this: Even the best Korean progamers lose a fair deal of their games. 65% of the GSL Code A and S players have a sub 35% win ratio. Everyone has loss streaks and win streaks from time to time, or a bad day. You have to know yourself well enough so that you know how you respond in certain situations. It's really just figuring out your own behaviour in certain situations, and learning to deal with it efficiently. Whatever you do though, NEVER get stressed about a loss. You have to teach yourself to not see losing as failing, and not feeling ashamed or pissed when you lose.
Losing does not mean you are "bad", it means you lack experience and knowledge, or have not developed a great solid and consistent enough sense of timing and decision-making.

Also remember that against people of your own skill level, you should not win more then 50% of your games. The only reason you see Grandmaster players with 80% win ratios is because they face perhaps 1 player of equal skill per 20 people way below their league. Don't stare yourself blind on that. Most top players were 50% for years, until they finally got to that new plateau, where only ~100 players reside and dominate the rest consistently. If these best 100 were to be constantly matched against each other, the outcome would be close to a 50% win ratio for most of them as well.

If you know that you feel bad after losing a game (this is mostly because of the adrenaline and tense body posture during the game), you must train yourself to take a 5-10 min break after a loss. Go take in some fresh air, get a drink, get your mind off the game and get out of the room. Once you feel better, you can go back, analyse what happened and take with you an important piece of knowledge for all games to come.

Don't shrug off a lost game, write down why it happened, and what you could possibly do to stop situation X or Y from happening. If you exit Starcraft 2 every time you lose, you basically run away from a frustrating situation. So give yourself a moment of peace to regain your rationale, since you cannot think straight with your body going haywire.

Then there is the fact that losing does not have to be a bad thing. Sure you might have lost this game because you made some mistakes or got cheesed. But if you then go back and analyse the game, and account for certain events to occur in a game, a loss is actually more rewarding than a win, because you learn a lot from it. Winning only becomes more valuable then losing if you are actually competing in tournaments professionally.

I hope I have helped you with this, if you are still not sure about certain things, remember: It is not an overnight process, it takes time to work on your own behaviour and train yourself to always get the most out of a situation. Just gradually implement things that work for you to control your rage, like the small breaks.

Your sincerely,

Masayume





Dealing with inconsistent play, big loss and win streaks

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Hi, I read your post about having the right mentality to improve, and I have this one problem that I dont know what to do about. The thing is, my play is very inconsistent, sometimes I go on a winning streak against high diamonds and low masters and other times I lose to golds. Is there anything I can do to make myself play better all the time? Thx in advance!


Response:

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Hello Mr X,

This is quite a common issue that a lot of players seem to have. Even the best players generally have loss and win streaks, but not quite as extreme as the ones you are describing. The first thing we want to do here is to set up some rules for yourself regarding winning and losing.

The next time you lose 2 games in a row, you stop playing for a bit. What I want you to do is just take a break for at least 15 minutes where you do not think about the games you just played. It might be hard at first but it is the most crucial step. This way your brain will get a chance to process the information that has been thrown at you during those games.

Once you have done that, go back to Starcraft 2. Before you analyse the replays of the losses, I want you to do the following: Write down what you "felt" during the lost games. Did you stay in your base out of fear of being crushed? Were you feeling overconfident, taking the situation or your opponent too lightly?
It is important that you pin down your exact thoughtflow during the games, so that you can learn to avoid the bad patterns to become ingrained in your play.

What you basically want to think when you enter any game is "I am going to play to the best of my ability, and go to the limit. I want to win". This is the only thought you want to keep summoning during your play, that is not directly tied to ingame information. What this does is enable you to actually really try hard, no matter what, it functions much like a mantra.

Furthermore, you do want to check all your replays, even the ones you win. Until you reach the very high end of Grandmasters, it is generally unwise to shrug off any game, even the wins. Heck, even the best players would be unwise to do so.
The best way to do this is to play a game, take a 2 minute or 5 minute break, come back and start up the replays. Next to writing down what you did wrong in the game, write down how you felt and how you thought, and the effects you think this had on your gameplay.

Being a consistent learner and keeping a good balance is the ultimate key to becoming a better player. It might seem like a lot of effort at first, but would you rather have a sense of accomplishment when you steadily improve, without feeling stressed out at all and by avoiding big loss streaks. Or do you want to waste countless hours being annoyed about the loss streak, with this nagging feeling that you should check the reps and your own behaviour, but because you are slightly pissed or filled with adrenaline, you keep queuing and increasing said loss streak without being productive whatsoever?

If you have any further questions, please do let me know. I hope my response gave you a few guidelines that will help you become a more consistent performer.

Yours sincerely,

Masayume



Ladder fear and how to overcome this

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For some reason the button always manages to evade me. I don't know if it's because I'm afraid of losing, or afraid of winning.

I usually end up playing only 1-2 games a week and I'd like to play more.

I havn't hit any walls recently, or been on any losing streaks.

I know I'm good enough for diamond, but am unsure as to what is holding me back from spamming out the games to get there, and then go even further.

I found your post on this, so I was hoping you could give me an answer other than. "Just click the find match button"

Cause I tried that >_< lol


Response:

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Hello Mr Y,

This is actually really easy to overcome, it's just knowing what the root cause for the problem is. Now from the sound of it, you seem to have build up a certain connection with the find match button.

Usually what happens is that players start linking the emotions and feelings they have with hitting the search button. This can be ladder jitters, nerves, fear and stress. This can happen on a subconscious level and can really eat away at your ability to perform.

The way to deal with it is as follows: Whenever you plan a 1v1 session, mentally prepare beforehand. Take some deep breaths and focus on removing negative thoughts and unnecessary stress/fear/tension one by one. It is crucial to go through them one at a time, otherwise this won't work quite as well.

Then you need to start linking the Find Match button to more positive thoughts and feelings. Whenever you get ready to hit it, focus on your body posture first. Make sure you sit in a straight up, proper position that ensures proper breathing, and make sure that your muscles are completely relaxed.

The next thing you want to do is get a strong mental focus going. The easiest way to do this is a mantra that you will not let go. This is the harder part. You have to tell yourself that it is the process of learning that matters, not the actual stats or the league you are in. Then you want to get a winning mentality going that says: "I will play my best this game, fight my hardest, and I will win."

Now comes the part that really takes time to master. You want to train yourself to feel absolutely no doubt, anxiety, fear or stress when you say that line about playing your best and winning. This can take a while to master, but once you do, you will be more confident in your play in general. Your play will not be influenced by fear, rage, anxiety or any such thing. And because you hold it to be true, you will actually play better during every game, even if the opponent is way below your league, you will play your best.

If you combine this with staying entirely calm and relaxed during the whole game, focusing mostly on your breathing to be proper, you will gradually lose all the negative links you have connected to playing 1v1 or starting up a game.

The general thing I want you to keep in mind though, is that this process takes time. Don't push it, but train yourself in small increments. Make it a day by day process. Don't set deadlines, first because it will take away from your focus in doing the training. But secondly, because you will always be able to improve in this area, it never stops.

I hope that this information helps you overcome your obstacle, and turn a problem into an opportunity.

Yours sincerely,

Masayume




Training efficiently: Moving past Macro and A-move

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Hey Masayune, I read your thread and I wanted your opinion on something that I recently had a conversation about with my roommate. It might not directly relate to your thread but it does have to do with the playing mindset, so if you would be willing to comment on it I believe it could be helpful to others.

For background, I am a high-diamond player, currently practicing to make the break to masters, and my roommate is high masters, and he consistently plays against and beats GM players.

I'm certain that you're aware of the "casual playing style" , and by this I mean playing without a certain goal in mind, just sort of macroing and doing whatever you feel like. I can quite easily play this way with any race against lower leveled friends of mine. However, I believe that the idea that a higher level player can always do this against a lower level player may be a mindset that can plague your thought process during a game.

Back to the conversation. I regularly practice with my roommate, and he regularly beats me. I try pretty hard in these games, but he seems to always sweep my plays aside without much effort. After one such set, I approached him and asked him (beforehand requesting a complete honest answer), "How hard do you have to try to beat me? Are you just sort of winging it, or is it actually difficult?"

His response (summed up), was that although my timings are not optimum and he's able to gain macro advantages as a result, he does still have to play seriously and intently in order to net the win. What I took from this was that, when playing, it is perhaps more important to play with every intention to win and take every advantage possible, than it is to "just focus on macro". At least at masters and above.

I recognize the importance of having good macro, but do you think that there is a point where a player can no longer rely on macroing and a-moving? Or is there something else that can / should be taken from this?


Response:
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Hello Mr Z,

To give a really straight up and short answer: Macro + a-move is all you "need" up to high diamond/low masters (depending on your region). But once your macro really IS at a high level (let someone that dwarfs you check you out for this), it is time to move on. Decision-making etc comes next. This is the conventional wisdom, which I think fails unless you want to spend way more time training. Now on to a proper answer..

To get the most out of your time, yes macro might be a good thing to train, but if you solely focus on macro first and then move on, it will take you a large number of games to gain mastery of the next trait. I would generally advocate another way to train, that contains all the ingredients for a strong and balanced player with good habits.

If you want to get good, you need to work systematically. This will be very elaborate so hold on tight, it will be worth your while. In steps:

1) You want to write down your ingame strengths and weaknesses first. Just make 2 lists and set them next to each other. Think hard and deep about this so you have a very accurate list to guide you for the next step.

2) Look up all the builds on Liquipedia and watch a bunch of pro replays. Look for a build for each Matchup that connects with the highest number of strengths you have in your play thus far. The build should ideally also inspire you or draw your general interest. You don't want to bore yourself to death and get demotivated. (Make sure that it is a build that does not rely on dealing damage or severe "multitasking" a la Boxer or something. Not yet at least)

3) Once you have your builds per matchup, it is time to do some deep preparations for the build. For this phase it is generally recommended to find someone to train with. Or to find replays of specific situations (which is infinitely harder but still worth it).
Write a list with all the situations in a matchup you don't want to be in. For example we take the PvZ matchup. For my own list I wrote down the following:
6 pool, 7 roach rush, baneling bust, Losira timing, hydra/ling push, etc etc.

Why would you do that you ask? Well very simple, this will become the foundation of training for your decision-making, thinking patterns and your level of reading the enemy based on limited information. Why start later, when you can do it right now. It is not too much information if you keep it all organised.

4) You work out each and every situation you jotted down. Come up with a plan on how to scout for a situation, and how you will respond on the situation. If you know a six pool generally arrives at your doorstep at 2:52, and lings take 24 seconds to build...You know that a pool goes up at ~1:28. So you know that you always want to scout on 9 against a zerg to catch this relatively early. Make a trigger for when you havent scouted the zerg yet at 13 food, you automatically expect a six pool until proven wrong. This way you can get your wall off or zealot response up in time.

Now you go test this situation in custom games. Preferably alone first to train your building placement and money flow, and if your "six pool until scouted" trigger works well enough with your money flow. After that you train with someone and let him six pool you all the time, until you feel confident in holding that. Talk with others or post on the forum with a [H] thread to adapt and finetune your response and triggers. Now simply do this for all matchups and situations, taking it 1 matchup at a time. You will find that your decision-making, information reads and execution improve at a fast rate.

5) The final part of the nasty foundation work. After editing your strengths and weaknesses list, it is time to make a list of situations you want to be in. Things like: I know I am good at harassment, how can I abuse that....Ah suddenly you know and write down: -Using Dark templars to cut off enemy reinforcements and stall time. Or something like: I want map control, what kind of play would give me just that against X and Y.

And there you go, the foundations of improvement are there. It is time to just start laddering now, analysing every single one of your replays, writing down situations that occured etc and constantly analysing. Adapt your theoretical plans and custom training inbetween.

Take it on a daily basis if you want to move past the macro + A-move syndrome. "Today I want to focus on my mechanics and speed while under heavy pressure"....."Tommorow I want to focus more on macro, and let it be reviewed by people that are vastly better than me".

It's a big answer with a lot of information, but if you stick to at least some of the outlined info, I am sure that you will advance quickly. If you don't feel like putting in the effort, you can always continue to spam ladder games and try to get little nuggets of knowledge, but that is up to you to decide.

I hope this somewhat answers your question.

Yours sincerely,

Masayume



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Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 28 2011 12:42 GMT
#2
tl;dr: take losses in stride, learn from your failures

Nice article. Day[9] did a daily on learning from your replays a while back, you might want to link to it. Don't remember which it was off the top of my head, sorry.

Don't knock mimicry, though. If you practice doing what the pros do, then you will at the very least start learning how to play faster.
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Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 28 2011 12:48 GMT
#3
That's actually a nice addition to add that daily, good idea! Will edit this into the article.

About just blindly copying pro's tho: While in a sense, yes you will become faster..Why waste time only doing that, when you can immediately start forming more good habits, develop your analytical power and game sense.
I do agree that trying to keep up with a build devised by a pro player trains your speed and can be used as a guide to get a better idea of how to exploit timings and swapping priorities, when you already have a clear goal of what it is you want to improve upon at that moment.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
elitesniper420
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada135 Posts
May 28 2011 12:49 GMT
#4
Learn from your mistakes - Captain Obvious
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 28 2011 13:07 GMT
#5
Elitesniper420, how obvious it might be to you, there are a lot of people out there that do not learn from their mistakes. This is not because they don't know how to, but it is because they don't feel like being confronted with their mistakes, or their general mentality regarding improvement and how to approach issues.

The aim of this article lies more on self-control and knowing yourself well enough to deal with situations in a most constructive manner. I know for a fact that there are a lot of players out there, especially younger players that even read this forum, that have trouble with certain elements. You can think about rage, shame, nerves and so on. If a player feels demotivated and ashamed for losing, and has a mentality that enforces this feeling, this player will generally not go back to learn from a situation, but rather avoid it because the loss was a "failure".

Thanks for your comment
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
TheQforce
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom48 Posts
May 28 2011 13:11 GMT
#6
I think it's also important to pretend that the game is completely balanced when observing your own replays, if you think " I lost because collossi are imba " or anything like that you wont get far.
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 28 2011 13:17 GMT
#7
Absolutely TheQforce. Instead of just shoving off the loss on one unit, seeking the faults in your own play first is always priority number 1. I guess most of us started out like that though! I know I did 10 years ago.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
GGPope
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia367 Posts
May 28 2011 13:25 GMT
#8
Always remember quality over quantity when it comes to practise as well.

From a musician's point of view, you can burn out 10 hours of 'playing' your instrument a day, but learn nothing. But if you sit down for an hour and practise efficiently and properly, you will get better SO much faster.

What this means: Watch all of your replays, analyse them carefully, and take time to solidify what you learned in your head before you go off and play another game.
Baz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom289 Posts
May 28 2011 14:53 GMT
#9
I like this article. It reminds me of something one of my football coaches used to say which I often think about; "Practise doesn't make perfect, perfect practise makes perfect". Although it was never meant literally, that saying carries the same sentiments as this thread,
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
May 28 2011 15:33 GMT
#10
On May 28 2011 22:25 GGPope wrote:
Always remember quality over quantity when it comes to practise as well.

From a musician's point of view, you can burn out 10 hours of 'playing' your instrument a day, but learn nothing. But if you sit down for an hour and practise efficiently and properly, you will get better SO much faster.

What this means: Watch all of your replays, analyse them carefully, and take time to solidify what you learned in your head before you go off and play another game.


This, but I have to say in terms of ladder, quantity drives quality. Just play a ton of games, and the more you play the more you'll experience different/weird builds, fine-tune your timings, be able to understand maps, and be able to adjust. If you get into a slump of losses, take a 5 minute break or so, drink some water, walk right back in and play again. Every time you finish a game find ONE thing (just one) that might've changed the outcome (if you don't wanna sit there and watch the replay).
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
May 28 2011 18:43 GMT
#11
Nice writeup, it's very important to learn from mistakes and analyze replays with a clear head.

Just as an example, I laddered two games today (drew 2 consecutive ZvZs). First game on Tal Darim I 15 hatched and died to a 14 gas 14 pool baneling bust. Usually I'd call him an asshole, but I decided to actually look at the rep, and I saw several things I did wrong.
1) No need for 2 queens that early, its much safer to make 1 queen and 1 spiner as soon as the hatchery finishes.
2) My ling micro is horribad
3) No need to transfer 7 workers to my expo when it finishes, that just gives me a lot more area to defend and makes me more vulnerable.
4) My roach timing was terrible. I noted the time the baneling nest finished and went on TL to search for a 15 hatch build that would give me ~3 roaches at that time. Apparently if you go 15 hatch, 15 pool, 17 gas, then make a roach warren right after the pool finishes, while only making 1 queen, make only 8 lings and stop droning when the roach warren is 2/3 done, you can get out 3 roaches to block a ramp at the time the banelings arrive.

And with that, I now have a solid idea of how to safely play a 15 hatch in ZvZ . Calling the other guy a cheesy faggot and jumping to the next ladder game definitely would have been less productive.
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Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
May 28 2011 19:17 GMT
#12
Good thread, i feel we've reached saturation on these type of threads, but this one has slightly enough of its own angle to be worth a read from anyone who wants to get more out of their practice.

Thanks for your time!
Lingy
Profile Joined December 2010
England201 Posts
May 28 2011 19:48 GMT
#13
Read it all, thanks for taking the time!
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Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
May 28 2011 20:16 GMT
#14
Nice article! IM DOING MAH BEST OUT THERE
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
May 28 2011 20:21 GMT
#15
Really nice article, I just read it all very well written and true.

Thanks for sharing
Faria
Profile Joined February 2011
155 Posts
May 28 2011 20:30 GMT
#16
Nice article, good read and all true, instead of spamming ladder games people should work on improving specific parts of their game. Look forward to the next one, keep up the good work!
^-^
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 28 2011 20:31 GMT
#17
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On May 29 2011 04:17 Eleaven wrote:
Good thread, i feel we've reached saturation on these type of threads, but this one has slightly enough of its own angle to be worth a read from anyone who wants to get more out of their practice.

Thanks for your time!


That's what I felt too. I see all these threads about improvement and analysis, but there is only a brief noting of the side-effects that a bad or skewed mentality can have on your mood and your level of play. It's just as much about analyzing your own behaviour and thought flow, then it is about the rest that comes with it.

Thank you for all the kind responses so far. Feel free to add your own advice like people already have. It is nice to get our heads together on this particular topic.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
RukKus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States197 Posts
May 28 2011 23:16 GMT
#18
You are slowly falling into 'tilt' mode when you start blaming [raging] your opponent and stop thinking about how you can improve. My weak point is TvZ. I lose most of 'em. Therefore when I boot up a TvZ it's hard for me to play productively and efficiently; when I play TvZ my mind usually races on about how stupid difficult it is to beat Zerg, and the longer the game draws on and the more of the map the Zerg takes, the more my mind rages about how I feel TvZ is imbalanced (for the most part, it's not imbalanced, but don't tell that to me when I'm raging.) I lost the game from the start, not from when I was overrun.

One thing that presses my reset button is to play as calmly as smoothly as possible. Don't rush. Think about your decisions, and do not try to play too fast
Micro... Kill Kill! Macro ... Build Build! ... Micro ... Kill Kill! Macro ... Build Build... Stim...RAAAAAGE!
VeryAverage
Profile Joined January 2011
United States424 Posts
May 28 2011 23:30 GMT
#19
Most important thing to keep telling yourself.

You are bad. You are in the league you are in for a reason and it's not because of balance. You're macro is not "pretty good" in silver league, it sucks.

I am in diamond and I am HORRENDOUS at this game. The more I tell myself this, the more I am willing to improve. I thought when I got to platinum "hey I'm pretty good." I stagnated for about a month before I got to diamond because I decided to stop putting so much attention on macro and trying to do cutesy stuff like 1 reaper, 5 marine push and stuff.

I go back and look at my replays and I was unbearably bad. Getting supply blocked constantly, floating, not getting upgrades when I should, not scouting nearly enough. Those things are slowly being whittled down, but I'm still basically terrible at the game. It's a harsh way to look at things, but it's honestly probably the best way.

As soon as you think you are good enough, you start getting worse. Bronze or Masters. I honestly don't think anybody, even people like MVP and Nestea (hell, even Flash and Jaedong)who think "Yeah, I'm good enough." They still find flaws in their play and always will (although Flash and JD most likely to a lesser extent)
FederigoEU
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany50 Posts
May 28 2011 23:50 GMT
#20
dude i love you this is one of the best posts here , I learned a lot and try to do the stuff you said in this post , just awesome <3 <3 <3
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
May 29 2011 04:07 GMT
#21
Very nicely written. I think this will be a help to almost anyone here, bronze to masters. It can be hard sometimes to not get angry over a loss, but in the end, as you said, a loss will help you learn more than a win in most cases (unless you're playing in a tournament).

Hope to see more from you ^.^
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 29 2011 07:51 GMT
#22
Added some of the PM's + my response in the original post. The names have been removed to ensure animosity (spelling?)
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
Daveoo2
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia19 Posts
May 29 2011 10:35 GMT
#23
I don't think you can tldr here. Read it because it will help you. If you tldr you may as well just listen to the line in the article "practice and play a lot, don't give up and enjoy, push yourself to the next level". Well done on a high quality post. It has helped me a lot to know how to analyse not just a replay or match up but also my playing on a whole. I think that I can play a lot better now. Team Liquid needs more pro posters like you.
Good Gaming!
FenneK
Profile Joined November 2010
France1231 Posts
May 29 2011 11:05 GMT
#24
Good writeup, but it does sorta point out the obvious. Great for beginners though.
good luck have batman
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 29 2011 11:18 GMT
#25
I am quite overwhelmed by the amazing response thus far. The exact goal that I have outlined by writing this piece is to help people not only improve their learning, but also just being a better self in general. To hopefully have a positive impact on the community as a whole.

I will continue to reply to all your PM's (as fast as I can without degrading quality response) and editing them into the post to expand upon all the situations. More content will be posted steadily. A big thank you to all!
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
.Mthex-
Profile Joined May 2011
United States168 Posts
May 30 2011 08:36 GMT
#26
Thankyou for the post, I did not read the enitre thing, but did cover the first 3/4th then skimmed the rest, but the help with the mindset of losses is what interested me the most. Losses into wins is something I have internally known for a while but have just struggled to actually foster into a conscious thought. Each loss should be looked at as an opportunity to improve instead of a symbol of failure... its so true is hurts! :p ty
"If you tricked him, then he is tricked" - Artosis
XTRAmir
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany32 Posts
May 30 2011 10:22 GMT
#27
Very Good Post! I identified some of my behaviors in your write up. But i have one question. I often hear from people and even day 9 says that when he ladders he plays like 10-20 games and then start watching the replays. You say play and than rewatch them. I would like to know which method is better, or if it is a personal choice? I think the first method lets you more easily spam games and then say: No i dont like watch all games again. Happenes often to me , i watch like 3-4 games of the 20 and than i start playing again because i have no dicipline to look 1-2h at the other 16-17games and analyse them, too. Maybe i should try play, watch and then play and watch again.
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 12:22:30
May 30 2011 12:19 GMT
#28
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 30 2011 19:22 XTRAmir wrote:
Very Good Post! I identified some of my behaviors in your write up. But i have one question. I often hear from people and even day 9 says that when he ladders he plays like 10-20 games and then start watching the replays. You say play and than rewatch them. I would like to know which method is better, or if it is a personal choice? I think the first method lets you more easily spam games and then say: No i dont like watch all games again. Happenes often to me , i watch like 3-4 games of the 20 and than i start playing again because i have no dicipline to look 1-2h at the other 16-17games and analyse them, too. Maybe i should try play, watch and then play and watch again.


That's a very good question XTRAmir. It does come down to personal preference here, but there is also another factor involved in this. There is an undeniable difference between a pro gamer watching replays and training on ladder, versus a not yet established player trying to do the same.

The reason why people like Day[9] play 10-20 games and then watch replays is because they have already refined their whole training and learning process. They know exactly what they are going to train and focus on for the day, and stick to that. Afterwards since they have a vast amount of experience, they can often extract a whole lot more information out of just a few games.

A player that is not peaking at the top 10 of the Grandmaster league will probably not have the experience and finetuning needed to do exactly the same. The reason why I say you should keep a good balance between the two is because it WILL accelerate your play and analysis as a whole a lot faster until you reach that high plateau.

You could just play 10-20 games and watch replays, and let it come naturally without any clear focus, but it will cost you a lot more time investment to get the same results. So in a nutshell: Unless you have a good idea of how to train, work out specifics, and sit at the highest level possible already, do not try to mimick the way the pro's train to the exact point. The time investment will be different for you and any other person for that matter, but it will always be dependant on your direct level, experience and knowledge.

Just make sure it suits your personal style as well, sit down and work out what would work best for you. It took me weeks to figure out an exact training method that gives me the best results, but it was so worth it. Even with me still recovering from RSI, I am getting more productive results then ever before, with way less time invested.

Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
75CCk
Profile Joined May 2011
France4 Posts
May 30 2011 13:06 GMT
#29
mmh that was a nice post, thx and grats for this.

I would add that there is something else that is important if you want to improve : kill your ego. Some people are going to say "blah, but every progamer / high level sportsman has a huge ego".

This is fairly true however there are some extremely talented ppl that can naturally improve and have a natural insight on game. Not all pros are thinking the way you think, believe me.

You will start improving a lot faster by "becoming nobody". Anyway, to the others eye, you are virtually nobody. Your nickname is unknown. Nobody cares about your stats or ranking, I mean, nobody really cares.

Start forgetting this and have the humility to fight your weaknesses by admitting them...

And you also need to have to strongly commit to each game you play and play t hem at 200%.

My 2 cents
P a r i S
Psypod
Profile Joined September 2010
Brazil14 Posts
May 30 2011 13:53 GMT
#30
Some people may say that this is too obvious, but I believe that everyone, even the most mental straight people in the world have flaws that need to be cut off.

We lose everyday, everytime, but we also win in most cases. We just need to stop and think for a second and see that life is made of winnings and losings or making decisions for that matter and we should transfer this decision making system we use everyday into other things we do. We wake up everyday on time for work, so that's a win. If by any means we wake up late, we lose and start thinking what happened. Did I went to bed later the other night? Did I have a bad night of sleep? Why is that? You leave home on time but get to work late, so somewhere in the way you lost. Did you take the wrong way? Were you sloppy enough that was driving too slow? Was the train late?

So these exemples are just a small portion of decisions we take everyday that compose our routine. If something is wrong, we fix it, we make it better. If we don't, well, it's our life that we're losing.

I liked this post because it tells us everything we already know but deny to see and understand. And this is our biggest wall to face. Once you can improve yourself in every way possible, you start getting near perfection and we can even make a link here into Nietzche's concept of Übermensch, which can be roughly translated into superman, someone perfect in every way that goes beyond our understanding.

I know it sounds weird and kinda crazy, but in my opinion, mankind is so close to perfection and at the same time fail to see the way to it, which ends up making it impossible to achieve.

Same goes to SC2 progamers. They've evolved their playing skills just like someone improves their skills into playing soccer, swimming, studying, developing, managing and that's, I think, the key that made e-Sports something possible now. Mental sports like chess, checkers, poker, etc... not physical sports, but mental ones that instead of using physical strength, uses mental strength.

We're in the 21st Century and we're clearly seeing things changing and evolving all the time. Something that 10 years ago (and I was there) was a joke like playing Counter Strike to be competitive, today is something that is getting usual, with millions of player joining the scene everyday. And just like any other sports, e-Sports have their casual players that just want something to distract themselves. And again, we fail to see how e-Sports can help us be not only a better gamer, but also a better manager and a better person.

RTS games wides up our minds as we need to be on top of everything everytime, while working everyday in the same job narrows your mind into that only piece of work you have to do. And that's what differs us from the managers, directors, because they have the ability to actually see things we don't and manage things that we can't.
So yeah, there's a lot into the e-Sports that can be beneficial for us and not just a waste of time like some old school people tend to think.

So every little piece of things we do can help us get not only a better person, professional, but also a better player. All we have to do is try to use every tool we have in everyway possible.


I rly enjoyed reading your post and just wanted to add some comments on how things are easy and we make it hard to see.

I myself am working on to be a better gamer, but also using the wide vision I have in the game into my routine. And believe me, it helps. Your mind can be everywhere, you just need to place it wherever you want and focus.
Don't blame the game, blame the player.
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 30 2011 14:11 GMT
#31
I agree with most of the things you said. There is only one thing that I don't agree on which will always be debatable: Perfection.

I do not believe that true perfection is really something that can be achieved. Or if it even should be achieved. Perfection means that there is no more room more improvement, change etc. But there always is. If there wasn't then my god, life would be meaningless and boring.

But I do agree with the general thought behind your post, thank you for sharing it with us.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
Mactator
Profile Joined March 2011
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 14:50:30
May 30 2011 14:41 GMT
#32
You sound a bit like those cheap help to self help books. It is really not that complicated:

- work hard
- use your brain
- discuss sc2 with friends who are as good or better than you.
- sign up to tournaments
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
May 30 2011 14:58 GMT
#33
That is a summary of the process. But it's not as obvious and black and white for some people as it is for others. That is the exact reason why I made this thread. There are a lot of people out there that do have a general idea of how to go about it, but are unsure about the execution. Others are very chaotic and cannot focus on the right areas at the right time.

If you already know these things and figured out a way to apply it all to your own style, well then kudos to you, it's awesome. But for those out there that like to just have more information on this topic, or might not have everything worked out yet, is what this thread is dedicated to.

Cheers.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
August 07 2011 09:08 GMT
#34
I am bumping this thread because Season 3 is now running. This thread will probably help some people out, and they can add their questions /w my answers so I can expand the main post to help even more people that have ladder issues.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
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