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aXa
France748 Posts
About broodlord, when you see archon you have to forget about ultra indeed. Btw, i saw on judgehype that archon is supposed to be "weak" against ultra. Is this some kind of joke? An ultra barely can kill an archon.. http://starcraft2.judgehype.com/index.php?page=db_forces_faiblesses&w=protoss&l=fr | ||
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how2TL
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aXa
France748 Posts
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cmpcmp
84 Posts
I find the strength of the build is that I can leave one zealot on the ramp to hold against lings while still pressuring the zerg with 2 gate zealots which forces him to make lings and not capitalize on the supposed map control that he has. I follow this up with an expand all while probe pumping the whole time. Basically, what do you do if the opponent does not build the forge and instead goes 2 gate? | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
I make 1 spine crawler at my ramp and use my queens to push creep into the natural. From then, i just slow push with spinecrawler, queens and few zergling until i can get my expand. I try to do runby with zergling when the speed kick in too. If the protoss really commits on the zealot count, i just add an additional spinecrawler. My expand is slightly delayed but so is his tech, so it's pretty much okay. | ||
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tdynasty
Canada220 Posts
Theres a few maps where you're first 3 gateways and cyber core can make a good sim city. (shakuras, tal darim etc.) The build I like to go is pylon gateway botom ramp. Most of the times Zergling rushes are potential damage especially 9 pools. But usualy I have a probe in Hold Position before my zealot comes out. And with good reaction you can make a "Stall Wall" to block lings. Regardless, let's move to the 10-12 Minute Mark. I built 46 Probes. I've got 7 gateways built. I mass up zealots sentries stalkers. Usually This Army composition can deal very well with any zerg early game forces. And usualy you will get 1 observer to prevent burrows, and to get creep tumours. I'm curious if you ever faced this type of protoss play? | ||
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Crescend1
Poland108 Posts
 .Not being rude or arrogant, but 2 big batles i have seen, were won by very bad force fields from protoss. And i know good protoss will use like 4-5 force fields to wall himself off, and each time you attack, and he ff, you lose part of your units. But nice post overall, i think ling bane drop infestor ultra is way to go in ZvP But not 9 pool | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
About all the FF thing, you just need to back off when the FF are down, until sentry energy is low, then overun the protoss. Coming for different angle helps a lot too. Usually, when FF comes really scary you'll have drop, so it's pretty much fine | ||
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chowies
Singapore5 Posts
aXa's idea when using the 9 pool opener is simple: abuse the fact that protosses have it so much easier when they wall of using gate core. Easier meaning they don't have anything to worry about for a minute or 2 from the Zerg, where as us zergs have to scout ramp with lings, sac ovies, worry about stargaze openers or 4 gates or or more. Also, he recommends a 9 pool, not a 6 pool that would have no probability of transitioning, nor a 13 pool that might not disrupt the protoss due to the standard zvp metagame nowadays. The protosses out there suddenly realize from the 2nd minute onwards they have little experience handling such early aggression, and are caught with their pants down, fumble and panic and start trying new things to fend this off; put down forges pylons etc. Also, this is aided by the fact that zergs have very unique timing attacks due to the hatcheries being the only production building of Zerg, that you can go from only drones to having a decent army in a inject larvae explosion. But that's just that, relying on your opponents to make mistakes in order for you to get ahead in the ladder is......... pitiable. Sure, have this 9 pool aggression opener to mix things up in a boX, otherwise you aren't going to improve much if your going to rely on this EVERY SINGLE GAME. +1 to Skrag for valiantly trying to show the lost sheep in here that the opener is not economically ahead of a 14 g 14 pool. All that effort and aXa blindsides you, pretending not to read what you posted, or rather understood it (blaming his poor English, perhaps?) Guys, I understand that as a bronze to plat level player, you would like to try new builds in order to advance yourself in the leagues, but the best bet at improving your game is to practice going standard in the ladder, and try fending off the cheeses that other people throw at you, coming out alive, and ahead, then savor the hard earned fruits of your early game labor, winning by just using a simple attack move at the right time. Do this, instead of trying to cheese other people. You fail the cheese, try transitioning and not get killed by your opponent, but then still lose later on and wonder what you did wrong, when your mistake is purely the decision to do a cheese. Oh yeah and day9 dailies help a ton. Coming from a bronze to diamond Zerg. | ||
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tdynasty
Canada220 Posts
But in certain maps where you can easily engange in a 3 building area. I think 7 gate can defeat this. The thing is too, usualy zealots will be behind your FFs trying to attack. But I do see your point of view that lings banes CAN defeat FFs if played right. But likewise FFs can defeat lings banes. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
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friendo
46 Posts
On May 24 2011 04:12 cmpcmp wrote: I am curious what you would do against a 2 gate opening with this 9 pool. I currently use the MC-style 2 gate 6 pool defense for any pool that comes before ~13 even if I already took my gas. cmp - can you post some replays of this defense? I'd love to see it. Axa - thanks for the tips, I'll try them out versus my zerg buddy. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
[url blocked] Okay guys, i just played this game with a clanmate, and i think they are good because they involve a lot of different unit compo/strat, and give an excellent overview what zerg can do against protoss. He opened two gate twice, the first game i did a standard hold, the second i tried a gimmicky stuff ^^didn't work so well but managed to recover. In those replay, you'll see baneling drop on army, on mineral line, nydus drop, hydra switch against archon, neural parasite, etc etc. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
Nice post. | ||
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elitesniper420
Canada135 Posts
most maps have chokes near the expansions like shakuras so then they're just going to melt all your ultras and you just gg at that point | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
Anyway, it's true with any another comp. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
On June 01 2011 02:19 elitesniper420 wrote: One choke = dead zerg army and 200/200 protoss army most maps have chokes near the expansions like shakuras so then they're just going to melt all your ultras and you just gg at that point Why the hell are you near your expansion anyways? You're supposed to be out in the map (specifically the open) being all scary with your ultralisks and banelings. | ||
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Crescend1
Poland108 Posts
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