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Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 22:51:49
March 30 2011 22:50 GMT
#141
On March 30 2011 22:52 TimeSpiral wrote:
I will be reporting this as a bug!
============================

The SCV Wandering purposefully negates an attack command to help protect the SCV while it is constructing a building. Maybe it simulates the fact that it's working in a freaking building, and there are lots of places to run around in there, or maybe it's simply Blizzard saying "you cannot just a+click a worker and stop a building from being constructed."

Just like the Patrol Flowers, shift clicking on SCVs constructing buildings is bugged and should be fixed. It's bad enough that Terran is the only race that can have a building halted in mid construction.

Terran fellows - on to battle.net, now, and report this as a bug.


NOOOOOPE.

working as intended.


Shift allows you to queue commands. What Queueing commands does is that once 1 command is completed/canceled and the task is no longer being executed, it will begin the next task in the queue.

How does this work? SCV goes into building, and after several seconds of not being able to reach the SCV the worker's attack command gets canceled. New command takes its place to... attack the SCV. The worker now tries to get as close to the SCV as possible and attacks it if it's in range, if it's out of range for a few seconds this attack command is canceled, and the worker moves on to the next queued command.

nice try though.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
March 30 2011 22:56 GMT
#142
Very nice, I didn't think this would work, I thought the units would just 'forget' the rest of your shift-commands since they are all the exact same thing.

I will definitely be using this to fight off bunker rushes!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 00:16:03
March 30 2011 23:03 GMT
#143
Copy of my response to TimeSpiral's whine thread in the battle.net bug forum:

This is not a bug. TimeSpiral is terran biased.


The main reason that the SCV wanders around the building isn't so that it becomes protected from melee attacks. It is so that the SCV is equally vulnerable on average from each direction. If the SCV would always build from only 1 direction it would create problems with positions on the map, because some positions would be more advantageous than others. On the other hand, if you were able to select the side from which the SCV builds the building, it would become extremely abusive as bunkers that are being built up against a wall wouldn't be stoppable.


As for your assumption that the attacking unit drops the attack command when the SCV travels through the building... You're wrong. There's no special "SCV protection" implemented. The way attack command works is that if the target remains inaccessible (read SCV is inside the building,) for a certain relatively small amount of time (a few seconds,) the attack command gets canceled.

What shift-right-clicking an SCV does is that after the SCV becomes inaccessible by melee attacks for those few seconds the attack command gets canceled, and then the next task in the queue begins, which happens to be to try to attack the SCV again, if the SCV is still inaccessible for that fixed number of seconds, then this command also gets canceled, and the queue moves on to the next task, and so on, and so forth.
iChau
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 23:10:33
March 30 2011 23:10 GMT
#144
You don't actually have to say that he's a whiner. That's just an insult, and is very immature.
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Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 23:13:28
March 30 2011 23:12 GMT
#145
Well what do you call someone who logs onto TL looks at a topic and says:
"Oh no! they found a trick that works only solely against my race. Lets find a way to describe it such as to make it appear as if it was illegitimate bug-abuse."
Zevah
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Argentina187 Posts
March 30 2011 23:14 GMT
#146
I <3 you.

thanks for this awsome tip.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 23:44:20
March 30 2011 23:30 GMT
#147
This is a cool trick. My terran friends already hate me for proxying them in the corners of their bases, now i can make them hate me more :D.

To TimeSpiral: This is not a bug, amigo. SCVs aren't immune to damage while they're "inside" a building that they're constructing. Ranged units can and will just keep shooting. Attack commands get cancelled for melee units when the SCV ghosts through the building, becoming unreachable. This is just queuing attack commands. How would you propose blizzard "fix" this?

edit: now that I've read through more of this thread, i'll add to my point: When you tell the unit to attack the scv, it's not telling it to attack the SCV @ location one, it's just telling it to attack the SCV, which gets cancelled when that action is no longer possible, because the Barracks prevents your worker from getting within melee range. When you queue those attacks, it starts your next command as soon as it's possible, which is when the SCV reaches its next point outside the Barracks on the build path. TimeSpiral is making an incorrect assumption regarding the mechanics of the attack command targeting a constructing SCV.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Albrithe
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada187 Posts
March 31 2011 00:10 GMT
#148
On March 31 2011 08:10 iChau wrote:
You don't actually have to say that he's a whiner. That's just an insult, and is very immature.

TL should implement something similar to Facebook's "Like" feature for posts like this, as I have nothing constructive to add but I simply agree. Name calling is not only pointless, but an argumentative fallacy!
The rest of your post is solid and I agree with it though.
"You don't need a condom... to get up on 'dem..." -Zach Weiner
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
March 31 2011 00:16 GMT
#149
On March 31 2011 09:10 Albrithe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 08:10 iChau wrote:
You don't actually have to say that he's a whiner. That's just an insult, and is very immature.

TL should implement something similar to Facebook's "Like" feature for posts like this, as I have nothing constructive to add but I simply agree. Name calling is not only pointless, but an argumentative fallacy!
The rest of your post is solid and I agree with it though.


Ok I made it a little more objective
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
March 31 2011 00:51 GMT
#150
If it is working as intended, I will be wrong.

Pretty simple :D
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Omni17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States141 Posts
March 31 2011 01:47 GMT
#151
On March 31 2011 09:51 TimeSpiral wrote:
If it is working as intended, I will be wrong.

Pretty simple :D


Gl, hf may the best argument win
"To Drone or not to Drone, that is the question."
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
March 31 2011 01:59 GMT
#152
haha awesome, thanks :D

I didn't know this, i thought that if you right clicked on the SCV it would keep chasing it
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TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
March 31 2011 04:46 GMT
#153
On March 31 2011 10:47 Omni17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 09:51 TimeSpiral wrote:
If it is working as intended, I will be wrong.

Pretty simple :D


Gl, hf may the best argument win


Exactly.

People around here need to lighten up
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HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
March 31 2011 04:56 GMT
#154
oh god it's awesome!
thankssss
No carpal tunnel no skill
BeastofManju
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States79 Posts
March 31 2011 06:15 GMT
#155
I am master league Zerg and I didnt know this. Thank you. This is the reason I come to this website and these forums.
The raven nevermore.
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
March 31 2011 09:18 GMT
#156
Thanks dude. One of the best tips I have read. Funny thing is after 2-3k games played, I still do not realise this trick. A must know.
Omni17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States141 Posts
March 31 2011 13:49 GMT
#157
On March 31 2011 18:18 covetousrat wrote:
Thanks dude. One of the best tips I have read. Funny thing is after 2-3k games played, I still do not realise this trick. A must know.

I know right??? Get the word out to make Terran miserable! :O
"To Drone or not to Drone, that is the question."
Omni17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 13:50:20
March 31 2011 21:29 GMT
#158
On March 31 2011 08:12 Kiarip wrote:
Well what do you call someone who logs onto TL looks at a topic and says:
"Oh no! they found a trick that works only solely against my race. Lets find a way to describe it such as to make it appear as if it was illegitimate bug-abuse."

LOL
"To Drone or not to Drone, that is the question."
Omni17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States141 Posts
April 03 2011 18:33 GMT
#159
On March 30 2011 23:22 Scrubington wrote:
I can just picture the great big rage face every single Terran player is making.


It probably looks like this: >:O
"To Drone or not to Drone, that is the question."
kirdie
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany221 Posts
April 03 2011 19:17 GMT
#160
Thank you, that was very helpful for me! Although most of my enemies instantly pull a second scv its really good against aggressive bunkers.
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