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Gugg
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway32 Posts
February 22 2012 01:29 GMT
#11241
Is an average of 80 apm good for being in Bronze?
Who dares wins
policymaker
Profile Joined September 2010
Greece152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 01:47:14
February 22 2012 01:46 GMT
#11242
80 apm is just too much for bronze, its probably not paying itself efficiently, meaning u might missclick a lot or generally being nervous. like me, I got 100-120 apm high diamond, but im fukin useless...



QUESTION: who are considered best in TvZ, TvP and TvT using standard play(terran players, koreans or not I dont care), so I download replays of them to watch? Thank you.
Hardcore gamer/Hellenic Community Enthusiast
bellsNkeys
Profile Joined November 2011
United States52 Posts
February 22 2012 01:46 GMT
#11243
I just got the patch for NA server today. When I go in the replay, APM is still calculated the same and EAPM is like the old APM system. I thought it was the other way around? It's not a big deal, but I was just wondering if that was right or not.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
February 22 2012 01:52 GMT
#11244
On February 22 2012 10:46 bellsNkeys wrote:
I just got the patch for NA server today. When I go in the replay, APM is still calculated the same and EAPM is like the old APM system. I thought it was the other way around? It's not a big deal, but I was just wondering if that was right or not.


Pretty sure it's a bug.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
February 22 2012 04:33 GMT
#11245
On February 22 2012 10:46 policymaker wrote:

QUESTION: who are considered best in TvZ, TvP and TvT using standard play(terran players, koreans or not I dont care), so I download replays of them to watch? Thank you.


Pretty subjective. "Standard play" doesn't really say much because 1 rax gasless expand is standard, but so is 1-1-1. The replays you want will be of players who you model your own play style after and nobody knows that better than you.

MMA is considered by many to have the best TvZ, but his drop heavy marine tank play is difficult to emulate because of his superior multi-task. MVP has some great mech play in TvZ and TvT, but again his style is very difficult to emulate. I've found that its better to look for someone who may not be the "best" but rather someone who is good and has a style that is basic, simple, and easy to execute (like Thorzain's TvT or Bomber's TvZ).
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
February 22 2012 04:39 GMT
#11246
On February 22 2012 10:29 Gugg wrote:
Is an average of 80 apm good for being in Bronze?


It's not about how big it is, its about how you use what you have.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
Grandpipe
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia17 Posts
February 22 2012 05:51 GMT
#11247
What is the best method to target workers in a lings runs inside the other players base?

Sometimes i run by a bunch of lings (20+ or whatever) into the enemy base and start attacking the workers. If i find some zelots (for example) in there they'll start attacking them first before the probes, and if there are 3 or 4 zealots it can do almost no damage. I mean, honestly i'm just A-moving lings at this stage while i go do other things, but im just trying to work out what is the most effective method.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 06:18:12
February 22 2012 06:17 GMT
#11248
On February 22 2012 14:51 Grandpipe wrote:
What is the best method to target workers in a lings runs inside the other players base?

Sometimes i run by a bunch of lings (20+ or whatever) into the enemy base and start attacking the workers. If i find some zelots (for example) in there they'll start attacking them first before the probes, and if there are 3 or 4 zealots it can do almost no damage. I mean, honestly i'm just A-moving lings at this stage while i go do other things, but im just trying to work out what is the most effective method.


Most common way is to move command them into the mineral line then hold position, the lings will only attack units within melee range so as long as you have them reasonably spread out they'll get most of the probes.

This also has the added benefit of being able to be queued up before hand even before you can see the probes.
Forbidden17
Profile Joined December 2011
666 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 07:19:47
February 22 2012 07:18 GMT
#11249
On February 22 2012 10:29 Gugg wrote:
Is an average of 80 apm good for being in Bronze?

Put it this way: I made masters several seasons ago with abysmal apm. I'm still in masters, but my apm has increased significantly since, and your apm is still higher than mine.

edit: typo
blackberry_
Profile Joined September 2011
114 Posts
February 22 2012 07:40 GMT
#11250
I'm trying to get myself to constantly cycle through my F-keys, but it seems I always return to my old habits and scroll to my bases. For those of you that naturally use the F-keys, how did you first force yourself to hit them? I know all I need to do is... do it, but any advice/tips that would help me break the habit?
Live your life.
Khaine
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden75 Posts
February 22 2012 07:43 GMT
#11251
On February 22 2012 10:29 Gugg wrote:
Is an average of 80 apm good for being in Bronze?



Yeah i'd say its pretty good, but is that really what you need to focus on? Don't worry about your APM, thats for the GM's to worry about.
Qpad mk-80 / Logitech G9
coriamon
Profile Joined August 2011
244 Posts
February 22 2012 12:58 GMT
#11252
On February 22 2012 16:40 blackberry_ wrote:
I'm trying to get myself to constantly cycle through my F-keys, but it seems I always return to my old habits and scroll to my bases. For those of you that naturally use the F-keys, how did you first force yourself to hit them? I know all I need to do is... do it, but any advice/tips that would help me break the habit?


Slow mouse scroll to the slowest it can possibly be. I don't use F-keys, but I'm sure that will help you do it.
policymaker
Profile Joined September 2010
Greece152 Posts
February 22 2012 13:50 GMT
#11253
On February 22 2012 13:33 Joedaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 10:46 policymaker wrote:

QUESTION: who are considered best in TvZ, TvP and TvT using standard play(terran players, koreans or not I dont care), so I download replays of them to watch? Thank you.


Pretty subjective. "Standard play" doesn't really say much because 1 rax gasless expand is standard, but so is 1-1-1. The replays you want will be of players who you model your own play style after and nobody knows that better than you.

MMA is considered by many to have the best TvZ, but his drop heavy marine tank play is difficult to emulate because of his superior multi-task. MVP has some great mech play in TvZ and TvT, but again his style is very difficult to emulate. I've found that its better to look for someone who may not be the "best" but rather someone who is good and has a style that is basic, simple, and easy to execute (like Thorzain's TvT or Bomber's TvZ).



thank you very much, would be great if u could point me to a TvPer as well
Hardcore gamer/Hellenic Community Enthusiast
PMIgrinder
Profile Joined February 2012
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 19:10:18
February 22 2012 19:07 GMT
#11254
What is the normal timing for a cloaked banshee rush?
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
February 22 2012 19:59 GMT
#11255
On February 23 2012 04:07 PMIgrinder wrote:
What is the normal timing for a cloaked banshee rush?


With cloak, around the 7:30 to 8:00 period.
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Enright
Profile Joined August 2011
9 Posts
February 22 2012 20:26 GMT
#11256
I was talking about to a GM MMR friend of mine on how to improve my game play past my mid-high masters level. He suggested to start integrating a wider variety of builds into my typical fast FE style. I play Protoss and 16 Nex PvT and FFE PvZ basically every match.

Specifically he said that I should utilize the strong cheese potential of the protoss race.

Question:

Where can I find a comprehensive guide/discussion of established Protoss cheeses in PvT/PvZ
Grandpipe
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia17 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 22:15:35
February 22 2012 22:15 GMT
#11257
On February 22 2012 15:17 Dingobloo wrote:
Most common way is to move command them into the mineral line then hold position, the lings will only attack units within melee range so as long as you have them reasonably spread out they'll get most of the probes.

This also has the added benefit of being able to be queued up before hand even before you can see the probes.

Thanks for the tip
Biz
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada10 Posts
February 22 2012 23:16 GMT
#11258
What are some popular custom maps for practicing things like micro, multitasking, hotkeys, etc.?
eParadox
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada132 Posts
February 22 2012 23:32 GMT
#11259
how can I stop 3 gate robo w/ stalkers, zealots, sentries,and immortal composition as zerg, or as terran.
Dodge The Hook - Diamond 5 - NA
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
February 22 2012 23:39 GMT
#11260
Completely unrelated to SC2 but here I go ^^

I haven't really figured out what calculus 2 is equivalent with regarding Swedish math education.. calculus 2 is integrals and stuff no? At what age do you study this in USA?

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