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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
I want a cheese that will quickly win or lose Diamond level games. Essentially, I want the closest thing I can do to alt+f4ing but with a chance of winning. I'm also interested in unconventional strategies that have a chance of actually winning. There seem to be plenty of nifty ideas, and they all seem to lose to a+moved mass stalkers. Might just have to get a hang of the korean warp-gate in-base strat =/ | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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fatduck
United States148 Posts
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GenocideRun
United States262 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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MICHELLE
Korea (South)199 Posts
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
 Thank you guys for understanding my rage and trying to help rather than laughing and flaming XD | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
Try and put your pylon where you can block it off with gateways (so he cant easily kill it with probes). If its a 4 player map send 1 of your first probes to the other side of the map, and send your first probe from your nexus to the base across from you. If hes at the base across from you you dont need to proxy, otherwise build with the first probe you sent out. I usually do 10 pylon 10 gateway 14 gateway 15 pylon 16 zealot, cut probe production after you have 16 probes (optimal mining level) 18 gateway once you have all 3 gateways making zealots and around 4 zealots out head to his base. If he went stalkers send 2-3 to attack the stalkers and use the rest to drop his pylons. Once his pylons are down you win. I do it in almost every pvp, its my least favorite matchup Coincidentally, i probably have my highest winrate in pvp. | ||
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Kpyolysis32
553 Posts
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cive
Canada370 Posts
Tester Versus Huk in The King of the Beta ro16 Day 1 Game 4 WTA Takedown http://ch.gomtv.com/4006 You need a gomplayer for this. And a friend that can read korean. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
On August 04 2010 05:16 Kpyolysis32 wrote: Try more sentries and teching? You can stay a gate behind if you have enough Forcefield Can only force-fields for so long. And a Collosi popping in PvP does not have the same shock and awe affect as it does in other matchups =/ Gonna try some of this out and report back :D | ||
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Ajax413
United States18 Posts
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
Works most of the Time even if it gets scouted. | ||
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mufin
United States616 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
After you make your dts, expand, and then switch to mass army, switch back to dts, switch to expand, switch to mass army. Rinse and repeat. Remember! When in doubt press k... I mean d. EDIT: okay, didn't see the title that well, dt rush works great against zerg/terran. Well... considering current PvP is decided within the first 6 minutes, proxy 2gate! Punish those 4gates! | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
At any rate, yeah, PvP is so annoying, and I always want to cheese, but I avoid it simply because I don't feel like it'll make me a better player. Feels like 80% of people play P in high-level ladder, though, because I mostly get PvP in the matchup. That aside, when I cheese, it's cannon rushing 90% of the time. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
On August 04 2010 05:38 Wolf wrote: I feel like these kinds of threads belong in the strategy forum... At any rate, yeah, PvP is so annoying, and I always want to cheese, but I avoid it simply because I don't feel like it'll make me a better player. Feels like 80% of people play P in high-level ladder, though, because I mostly get PvP in the matchup. That aside, when I cheese, it's cannon rushing 90% of the time. Yeah sorry. Since it was more of a whining/rage/QQ thread than anything too serous (although I am serious) I figured general was fine =/ On August 04 2010 05:27 Ajax413 wrote: Haha we played each other twice the past couple of days, and I believe both were 4 gate vs 4 gate. As for PvP cheese, proxy two gates work the best against me. If you can get them in their base it's very tough to deal with. Yup. Your Zeratul icon makes it okay though. Seeing a cool portrait is the best part of any PvP. Better hope people dont see this thread and recognize my name on ladder and expect cheese XD | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On August 04 2010 05:17 cive wrote: start out normal. 13 gate, 14 gas, 15 pylon then cyber. Mine gas till 50. Save Chrono boost. Keep your scout alive. If dies, send another one. Start chorno boosting warpgate research. Make three more gateways. start building pylon everywhere in his base. as soon as you are done your research, start warping zealots in his base. Tester Versus Huk in The King of the Beta ro16 Day 1 Game 4 WTA Takedown http://ch.gomtv.com/4006 You need a gomplayer for this. And a friend that can read korean. Everyone and their mother does this annoying build nowadays. Me too. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
Gate Assimilator Gate (when the first gate is 80%) Cybernetics Core Pylon Chrono out two Stalkers simultenously, the second gate and the cyber should finish at the same time. Follow up with more Chrono'd Stalkers. The result is an extremely fun, really micro-intensive early game. I generally only lose with it if he skips Zealot and gets a Sentry out really quickly to FF his ramp. It can even beat 2gate openings if you manage your workers correctly and position your buildings to protect your Pylons - once you get 4 Stalkers you can kill an infinite number of Zealots. Classy cheese. | ||
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GameTime
United States222 Posts
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:08 GameTime wrote: What's been working really great for me is getting a pylon/gateway on 10 and race to get warpgates. Once you get 50 gas pull guys off of gas and just get 4 warpgates right when the warpgate tech finishes, then just spam pylons near/in his base. I win with it most of the time. Since I made this thread, my only PvP has been on desert Oasis and I gas stole into Void Rays. Rofl. Will be trying that, 2gate in base, etc and keeping tracks of their win percentage versus diamond level players.  | ||
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LeDuck
Germany152 Posts
 1.) Proxy Double Gateway at 10 supply can be very, very annoying, you just run in there, snipe the pylon and it's gg. Though you have to make sure with your probe, that he isn't able to do a complete wall-off. 2.) Wall-off your ramp and do a fast voidray rush, nothing beats those guys in a base race 3.) Cannon rush, I guess? 4.) If you're able to get his first probe, a forge fast expand might do the trick, especially against an early zealot push. About Dt's, I don't know, aren't they too late against a typical 4 gate? | ||
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sfdrew
United States201 Posts
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LeDuck
Germany152 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:02 sfdrew wrote: I win almost all my PvP games. I don't waste time or money on warpgates and go for an early immortal. I make sure i have 2 sentries in my group and 1-2 stalkers along with however many zealots I have. Immortals will melt through stalkers and your sentry shields will keep you safe long enough to power down most of his army. After that, just keep moving in units as they finish until he calls uncle. I don't think that will hold that well against the typical warp gate rush, most of the time you get rushed by zealots so immortals aren't exactly the best choice here, I guess you probably go for both gas, if you want to build early sentries, robo and an immortal, which means you're even more far behind. You shouldn't underestimate the timing, there is a reason why this build dominates PvP at the moment | ||
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micro7295
United States68 Posts
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sfdrew
United States201 Posts
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maekuuu
United States11 Posts
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