• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:02
CEST 14:02
KST 21:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers19Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1721 users

[Q] ZvT: Countering early mass reapers? - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
August 02 2010 16:35 GMT
#21
if your having bad troubles with this build just build another queen and keep the speedlings coming, takes care of it easily, and when he realize his mass reaper rush is failed. FINISH HIM!
Yes I am
Elanshin
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia216 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 17:12:54
August 02 2010 17:10 GMT
#22
Roaches are probably your only real defence and you will need to micro them a bit, going muta seems very suicidal against this, 1 good scan/scout and all the barracks stop reapers and go marines ... and if you looked at lz's base he had 7 tech lab rax by the time strife even had a spire done which easily means marines come out much faster than your mutas. Mid game id imagine would be good using hydras instead and a handful of infestors. you'll be behind in army and econ so you need things that can take care of a bio ball.

Edit: massing queens and speedlings arent a solution if you can kill the reapers off creap and all they have to do is dance on the edge. And when they get a mass critical number of reapers then well everything you have will die, even if you killed the reapers in your base you cant attack either unless you have banelings and if you did you would have no tech so leaves you very vulnerable mid game.
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
August 02 2010 17:24 GMT
#23
People are saying that it is easy to micro reapers. I respectfully disagree. I have tons of experience using reapers and having reapers used against me and I feel that they micro well, but micro'ing them well requires a ton of attention and caution because you can lose 90% of your reapers in 2 seconds, and that gas will set you back hard.

If he has 1 reaper your queen/lings will be good enough.
If he has >3 reapers he is putting ALOT of his build into reapers. He likely won't have anything else to defend. Get 3 roaches and go kill him.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
Antpile
Profile Joined March 2009
United States213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 17:38:17
August 02 2010 17:29 GMT
#24
I gave up on the FE vs terran back in beta. It is much safer if you don't even try to drop your second hatch until you've started the speedling upgrade.

with terran having so many options for harassment I feel the sound strategy as zerg is the one that eliminates the most harassment options from their arsenal. For me that is one base tech straight to muta, then expand.

One base makes it harder to do damage with hellions or reapers, and also doesn't leave you with a base under a cliff on maps like lost temple. This way, when you go to expand you'll have mutas about ready.

Mutas will stop:
Tank drops
Overlord sniping
Vikings on cliffs
Banshee
Marauder drops/building snipes
Marauders in general
Hellion drops
Hellions in general
Anything involving reapers


Having control of the air against terran shuts down almost all of their harassment options and makes them fight straight up. While fighting straight up is still very much in their favor imo, at least you don't have to constantly worry about what annoying thing they are going to do to you next while they macro up,

Oh, having mutas out and harassing is also the best scouting you can have. It's pretty impossible to not know their army make up when harassing the crap out of them with muta.
Adder
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
August 02 2010 19:28 GMT
#25
On August 03 2010 01:02 TrogdorBurninate wrote:
1) He assumed, like any player that he might see 1 or 2 reapers. 6 non-speedlings where he had them to attack was exactly what he needed to do for 1 reaper


That seems very reasonable to me IMO. How often do you see mass reapers? All he could see was one rax + tech lab, and there's no way he could have seen more than that without potentially sacking an overlord (if the other guy had even one marine). It seems reasonable to me that he would think it's only going to be 1-2 reapers, no?

And if you get punished that badly if you assume it's only a couple reapers and it's not, does that mean Z players should now always assume that a T with a tech lab early is going mass reapers because it's GG otherwise?
Adder
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
August 02 2010 21:56 GMT
#26
While I appreciate the feedback on this, I wish people would be more specific about whether the Z player should be playing with one or two bases when following their advice. For example, having three roaches to protect one base seems plausible, but protecting two bases (especially when not connected with creep, which isn't possible early unless you burn a larva cycle on it or build an extra queen) with three roaches seems impossible.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
11:00
Playoffs Day 4
MaxPax vs SHIN
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV898
Ryung 798
IntoTheiNu 569
TKL 389
IndyStarCraft 188
Rex108
3DClanTV 81
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #129 (TLMC 22 Edition)
ByuN vs NightMare
CranKy Ducklings84
StrangeGG70
CranKy Ducklings SOOP43
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 798
TKL 389
IndyStarCraft 188
Rex 108
SortOf 100
Railgan 66
MindelVK 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 45762
Calm 6125
Horang2 1878
Jaedong 1141
EffOrt 444
BeSt 351
Mini 287
actioN 259
Last 237
Pusan 228
[ Show more ]
Light 208
Hyun 185
ZerO 145
ggaemo 111
Soulkey 89
Sharp 34
Sexy 33
Shine 31
Shinee 31
HiyA 30
Sea.KH 29
Sacsri 16
Killer 16
JulyZerg 15
Hm[arnc] 14
IntoTheRainbow 14
SilentControl 11
GoRush 7
Noble 7
NotJumperer 1
Dota 2
Gorgc4419
XaKoH 583
XcaliburYe128
BananaSlamJamma118
Counter-Strike
byalli727
x6flipin511
allub428
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King47
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor370
Other Games
singsing1878
B2W.Neo1070
Mlord381
DeMusliM299
Pyrionflax195
RotterdaM137
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream18072
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 37
• iopq 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1635
League of Legends
• Jankos1751
• TFBlade1167
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
2h 58m
Solar vs GgMaChine
Bunny vs Cham
ByuN vs MaxPax
BSL
6h 58m
CranKy Ducklings
11h 58m
Replay Cast
20h 58m
Wardi Open
21h 58m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 58m
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 21h
Leta vs YSC
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
IPSL
6 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.