EPT13 pool
13 gas
This is important because i you can kill the scout you they are not sure whether it is a roach rush or a baneling bust.
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Teazerg
Australia5 Posts
13 pool 13 gas This is important because i you can kill the scout you they are not sure whether it is a roach rush or a baneling bust. | ||
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Xanrae
Belgium53 Posts
On May 23 2010 17:47 Hider wrote: I probably would not waste time trying to work out a good BO for baneling busts as it is easy to scout and easy to counter for good players. Actually, if you want to hide tech, you can barf creep someplace out of the way and build your tech there. :D | ||
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DeeD
Sweden88 Posts
10 OL+extractor-trick 13 Scout 14 (when you have about 90 minerals) Extractor 14 Pool 16 OL When spawningpool pops: queen and metabolic boost (should have just enough for them both at this time) 2 lings to kill scout Baneling nest as soon as you get enough gas Get about 18 lings, place them outside your opponents base and morph 5 banelings (or 7 if you want to take out his gateway, pull drones of gas at 125 gas (or 175 if you're going for 7 blings)) Attack, aim for the pylon (and pump drones like crazy after this, get a spinecrawler or two if the attack fails badly) This build punishes greedy tosses and shuts down 2gates. I'm not sure how it stands against all-in cheese but it should be ok, especially on maps like blistering sands. Anyways, from my experience you don't get that far behind since your opponent in most cases either overreacts or gets his economy shut down. You should probably expand after you've got enough lings since 1 hatch won't give you enough lava to spend your minerals. Can't get a replay uploaded atm but it's pretty straight forward  | ||
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CoMMoDuS
Germany507 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
8/9 scout 14 pool 13 gas 2 drones immediately after 1 overlord immediatley after @100% gas : 3 drones to gas @100% pool : 1 queen 3 lings (you will have 300 min, 3 larvae) either 2/3 drones or zerglings 100 gas > ling speed next 50 gas > banelings nest Pump ling and GOGO I use this build almost every game. It ensures good economy, while getting fast lings. | ||
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Dirtrox
United States9 Posts
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Veetz
Canada109 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
On May 31 2010 11:58 Veetz wrote: TBH.. when z try to baneling bust me i HATE it.. even if they don't do anymore substancial damage but kill a few depots at my wall it supply blocks me and just pisses me off. lol I do this sometimes if I feel I can do enough damage even if I can't kill them off. I see two depots together and I can't help myself. Then I switch to roach usually. | ||
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Gorgazm
Australia32 Posts
I like to save them for later on in the mid game, get their speed upgrade, and roll them on through your infantry/ground units. Did this against a protoss that had a number of stalkers/sentries/zealots and even a couple of collossi, he left them at the choke to his expansion on Steppes of War, rolled in my banelings, took most of the out except left 2 collossi on next to no health, so I just ran my left over speedlings in, this finished him off, and after than i was able to bring my muta's and more lings in to finish the job. | ||
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Gorgazm
Australia32 Posts
On May 31 2010 07:33 Xanrae wrote: Actually, if you want to hide tech, you can barf creep someplace out of the way and build your tech there. :D i do this mid game for my spire and baneling nest, nearly every time a scan goes down when i'm against terran, it completely misses those 2 buildings. They often see my muta's and know i have muta's, but they never scout my baneling nest until it's too late for them. | ||
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DeeD
Sweden88 Posts
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Defil_R
Switzerland3 Posts
On May 31 2010 07:33 Xanrae wrote: Actually, if you want to hide tech, you can barf creep someplace out of the way and build your tech there. :D But this is only possible after the lair-tech, so it's useless for a baneling bust. | ||
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Tenuki
1 Post
my best run on kulas ravine spawning bottom left was the following: 9 OL 13 pool 14 extractor / put 3 drones in asap 16 OL 16 Queen pump only lings from now on @100 gas speedling upgrade @50 gas bling nest 22 OL keep pumping lings... it lead to: 5:20 (game-time) 33/34 supply 150 minerals / 154 gas --> 6 blings 11 sets of lings out 5 sets morphing speedling upgrade 3 sec to go I scouted only with my OLs, but can someone tell me what a terran going mech or FE would have at this point if he walled off. Someone has experience trying to bust through barracks with 6 blings and some ling-hits? | ||
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Piousflea
United States259 Posts
I am a much bigger fan of baneling harass. You do a zergling run-by with around 12 lings and 3-4 banelings, the goal is to bypass the army and explode the worker line. Because the zerglings pick up aggro from static defenses, it doesn't even matter if the guy has cannons or spine crawlers. Doesn't work against wall-ins. | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
Also it only requires 6 banelings to break a supply depot. I usually try to roll in with 8 though. That leaves 2 left over to instakill their marines for the guaranteed GG. | ||
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ScythedBlade
308 Posts
And if you have 2 sentries ... well, they won't be killing you so soon anyway. | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On May 23 2010 21:07 platonichate wrote: As was said, if you intend on staying in Silver or Bronze your entire career than baneling busts are the way to go, but the moment you square off against competent players this strat as an opener is a failed one. It puts you too far behind as far as your econ, and if it fails(which it will 6 or 7 times out of 10) at higher levels then the counter attack is going to crush you. I won 90% of my games in silver against terran with this tactic but I've now completely gotten rid of it as my loss rate was at 90% when laddered up. The magic number for this was 34 supply I found. You build out 17 drones max, of which you'll use 1 for the pool, 1 for the nest, 1 for the extractor and one for an early spine crawler to fight off reapers. I would go 13 pool on this, 14 extractor, and not build the nest until after I started the speed upgrade at the pool. AFter the pool is done you just crank out lings and attack when you get to 33 supply. 5 Banelings to bust down the wall and the rest to mop up the troops. If you wait for more lings they are able to build enough troops to fight you back 1/2 of the time, go sooner and you don't have enough to clean em up. What I've found is that you need to take out the troops first.. Don't go straight for the SCV's as you split up your lings and will eventually get cleaned out. Even if you loose 80% of the lings taking out the rines or mauraders your macro should ensure another 8 lings arriving at the terran base within a matter of seconds after that wall comes down. But again, as was said you are better off ditching this strat right now and practice the hell out of something else. This should only be used for fun against low level players because I mean let's face it, the baneling bust opener has gotta be one of the most fun ways to kill a terran. But the more you use this now, the less practice you will have on a viable strategy when you ladder up and that just means more losses that are going to be on your score until you perfect a viable gold and plat level opener. bullshit i get diamond 3 times in a row with thit strat very well executed, you will stay in low leagues because bad micro/macro mechanics and wrong decision making, not for a specific build. If you have good timing ANY proxy-cheese strategy will be very strong, just need to have nice multitasking... BUT u are not training nor getting a better playing doing just that, you can have alot of wins, but if you want to improve, best way are macro oriented and safe build orders. | ||
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morimacil
France921 Posts
BUT u are not training nor getting a better playing doing just that, you can have alot of wins, but if you want to improve, best way are macro oriented and safe build orders. i dont believe that the only way to ever improve is to play a macro oriented safe build order. Aggressive play with harassment can be perfectly valid imho. Knowing how to do "cheese", harassment, timing attacks, and so on, will actually improve your play, not worsen it. Of course, knowing how to play a laid back macro game is also an asset every player should have. I believe that knowing how to execute multiple things is a very good way to improve, rather than sticking to a single tactic. Be it cheese or macro. Also, seriously, I dont want to play long macro games against terran mech armies. Id rather punish them for teching early on, or watch them make early units, and then keep the pressure to prevent them from getting a huge unbeatable army and a million sensor towers. | ||
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LeafBlower
United States115 Posts
http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/7479 edit: also it really doesn't matter if he had waited to show he had so many zerglings, i wall off on pretty much every single map vs zerg and open with 4 warp gate, which is good against baneling busts | ||
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iShotyoMoM
United States43 Posts
well... what if you can't scout it? first probe sent, yea you'll prolly scout the pool and that's it for your scout info if you're protoss early lings/speedlings will prolly contain you for terran, scan it? i don't know how to block that except by massing ovies over the building zerg? kill the ovie with queen? so when zerg comes with banelings, it'll be kinda too late for anything cuz you'll have no idea what he was up too here's a replay with BSOS playing zerg going baneling killing terran fast teching to viking which everyone thought to be banshee rush [url blocked] | ||
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