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What zerg really needs is some guerrilla warfare unit which can sneak unseen behind enemy lines in the style of the changeling, some "super"-changeling which can actually do damage by spying, infecting buildings and blowing itself
up in the enemy army and distracting the enemy in his own area.It doesn't make so much physical damage but very much psychological damage , by distracting the enemy and bringing him out of his comfort zone.

Think about it, one thing which is totally underrepresented in the zerg gameplay of starcraft 2 is infesting the enemy base. Zerg is the perfect race implementing guerrilla warfare . As an genetic very adaptable race it really should have some parasite-gameplay beyond the infestors lame shenanigans.

The Zerg needs:

The infiltrator

-It should walk like a spider on the ground , and should be able to move under ground with the back of it showing out of the ground.The back can morph into some perfect imitation of an enemy turret,supply depot, cannon,pylon, spine, spore when you come near such an object by reaching the enemy base .And you can move with this imitation on your back burrowed under ground, but you should do it not in the middle of the enemy base , because a moving supply depot is a very obvious indicator for the enemy that something is not right.You can not be unveiled by scan or some detector like the changeling cant ether.

With perfect imitation i mean if you morph it into a spinecrawler, for example ,it can attack like a spinecrawler the enemy base with exact the same damage like a spine can do.Think about it, how funny would it be, when the enemy sees how one of "his own" spinecrawler turns against him and starts attacking him.Same for turret,cannon,spore. You can also give the enemy control over the fake object, that it stands still and he can control it like his own and in the right moment
you take away the control.

-But that's just one ability of the infiltrator and not its best . It can also blow it self up in the middle of the enemy army (the damage should not be too big but noticeable).

-And the best ability is, that it can infect other units and buildings. It crawls onto the enemy building/unit explodes on it and sets free an fungal, which is growing on the building/unit rapidly . And if the enemy doesn't target fire the fungal on the building/unit quick enough than it gets corrupted.

Corrupted units can be controlled permanently by the zerg enemy, perhaps they have lower health than the unit had before infection.

Corrupted buildings are growing slowly creep on the ground and if that creep reaches another building this building is getting also infected by the fungal and the enemy has also some time to kill the fungal on this one,....
If you manage to connect the creep from your homebase with the creep of the corrupted buildings than you can slowly stomach it and gain minerals/ gas from it at a slowly but steady pace.

The wesp:

You have invented an antiair unit to keep up with the skytoss and targetfirering vikings, that's good.
I still think the unit could be more versatile by making it into this:

To produce the unit , you need a building which is called "wespnest". You can build this straight after the spawning pool.And you can upgrade it 2 times.

The unit gains new support abilitys by upgrading the hatchery into lair and upgrading the lair into hive.
The unit gains new attack abilitys by upgrading the wespnest itself (2-times possible).

Its basically an zergling for the air ,with weak attack ,but producable in mass.And it has some interesting support abilitys.It also can morph into the scourge(airbaeling/lategame) In its weakest form the unit sits on the ground, while being idle and it can not be separated for longer than x-seconds from the creep or it will die/lose hp.In this form you can use it for scouting, if your creepspread is good.If you don't move it, it will land on the ground and sit their.If you move it it will fly.




Support abilitys:

Uprading hatchery to lair:

-The unit can stay of creep as long as it wants.
-The unit can collect minerals, but you can not auto-route it like drones. You have to klick each time on the mins and on lair. So good players which have the apm will gain some extra mins.

Upgrading lair to hive:

-The unit can burrow into the ground




Attack abilitys:

upgradeing the wespnest to level 2(needs lair):

-the wesp gains a melee attack against air. It lands on the enemy airship and starts attacking it with its sharp arms/legs. If enough wesps land on one enemy airship,the airship can not move (similar to zergling surrounding enemy's)

Upgrading the wespnest to level 3(needs hive):

- The wesp is able to morph into the scourge. Its basically an air-baeling then and if it connects to an enemy airship it deals area-damage.The explosives in it can be used to boost it a short time, but if you use half of the explosives in it for x time boosting you will only make have the damage after connecting.




This is a great unit for

earlygame: scouting
midgame: collecting more mins and guarding your base, swarmhosts
lategame: unburrow and exploding into skytoss or mass vikings (air-mines)

It needs apm to mine, so good player have something to do, improve.
It can be upgraded 5 times with different ability.
After each upgrade its visuals change like the change from zergling to speedling etc.

On October 18 2012 01:42 FancYCaT wrote:
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I would like to hear you opinion on making equal times for warp cooldown (Warpgate) and build time (Gateway) while adding a 20% reduced cost in gas and minerals if a unit is build in a gateway. (I say 20% here cause it would feel like a very round number right now, might be too much (Stalker would be 100/40, Zealot 80, Senry 40/80) this would allow protoss to produce units the "standard" way and allow to trade these more cost efficent while you still have the possibility to keep some gates warpgates for defense or harrasment via warp prism or an all in.

Please keep in mind that I just threw some numbers in here, so don't pay too much attention to them.
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I think that warpgates are not the biggest issue of toss in WOL . But i admit that they are an issue . Their is no need to denial that.

In my opinion the best solution for the warpgate would be to switch the building times of gateway and warpgate, like it was said in posts before.So that the warpgates take longer to warp in then the gateways to build an unit. I think the developer took the idea of warping in units a little bit too far,because the don't realized that warping in units on nearly every point on the map, is an powerful ability on its own and that adding also the benefit of shorter buildtimes than the gateway has causes balancing issues.


Switching buildtimes between warpgate and gateway has the following benefits:

1. It would add an strategic reason for transforming an warpgate back into an gateway. This would lead to an deeper gameplaymechanic, where the players must figure out at which time is it good to have which amount of gateways and which amount of warpgates. And so the gateways would become useful in the lategame.

2.Early units could be made a bit stronger, because of the cooldown nerf and so toss would feel more powerful in the earlygame.

The Downside would be, that their would be no more intense timing-pushes where you try to hold on against an pushing toss and even if you kill his units he is warping in again and again.



So even better is the idea of giving warpgates energy instead of cooldown , in an way like the nexus has it for chronoboost or the commandcenter has it for mules.You could balance the energy which is needed for one warpin so, that the time between warpins would take longer then the gateway needs to build.This would have following
additional benefits:



In combination with an alter version of the mothershipcore´s abillity energize , could it be possible, in my opinion, to balance warping in bigger units like the colossus or immortal.

This would work as follow:

The gateway could save up a max of 200 energy. Zealot and stalker coast each 200 energy to warp in but , and this would be the important point, i would give the mothershipcore the ability to suck up 800 energy max with the reinvented ability energize, similar to the viper sucking up energy, only with the difference that the mothershipcore would not damage the building but rater transports the energy from the building to itself and from their, if the player wants, to another building or unit , which can save energy. So that the new energize works in both directions , suck up energy and save it on the mothershipcore and the other direction would be to give an unit/building energy form the mothersipcore.

And if the mothershipcore sucks 4 warpgates dry and gets up to 800 energy it could generate an stationary field and warp in 2 Immortals or 2 Colossi for the warpin-coast of 400 for each warping in an unit out of the robotic facility.

-Its very weak against splash damage
-Its very expensive for an T1 unit, especially gaswise.
-It has no interesting ability. Marines have at least stimpack and medivec synergie, stalker have blink.

Zerg shouldn't consistently have the same number of units as Terran and Protoss; they should be 1.5:1 ratio against Terran and 2:1 against protoss (on average). Even in these numbers, a Zerg should barely pull through, because their advantage is ENORMOUS NUMBERS. That is the swarm.