Work In Progress Melee Maps - Page 47

On March 16 2013 01:47 Nezgar wrote:
I am currently working on two different 2vs2 maps, both of which still need proper aesthetics and finishing touches.

(4) Eschaton

164x150 playable
Main and natural can both be walled with 3 3x3 and 1 2x2 building. The third is 6m1hyg.

(8) Sheol

164x168 playable
All spawn positions enabled. Gas in the main is out of siegetank range.

I'd be glad for any critics or comments as I am struggling with creating the right aesthetics. It would be great if anyone would like to play a couple of 2vs2 games on those maps as I really don't know how those play out. Creating the right size for 2vs2 games is really difficult. Sometimes it feels too small, sometimes it feels too large.

On March 18 2013 02:09 SiskosGoatee wrote:
2v2 scene doth need some love. I personally don't like how every location has 2 expansions though. It also highlights the huge misconception a lot of people have about 2v2 and why they think it's all all inning. They invite it because both of their players expand in the early game which you can't actually do, only one can expand and you're fine. i mean, see it like you play some mod where you start the game with 2 townhalls and 12 workers. Would you then say 'Aww, what the hell, let's just double FE.'? Not really, the other player would easily kill you then. Yet in 2v2, you often see both players FE'ing, you really can't do that in most matchups.

On March 18 2013 05:07 Nezgar wrote:


I appreciate that you took time to respond, though I have to disagree with a couple of things you said. Both players in a team going for a FE should always be a viable strategy. Just because you CAN take a fast expand doesn't mean that you have to. What you are proposing is a layout where you HAVE to expand asymetrical because the map is designed in that way. One of the new maps that uses that concept is Reflection which is one of the worst maps that blizzard ever made. In some matchups the player who doesn't take the inbase expand literally can not ever expand if the enemy doesn't want him to which then, in return, leads to all-in(ish) games because one player HAS to stay on one base in order to play the maps.
What you proposed is like deleting the natural and third on Antiga Shipyard so that you have to expand into the middle of the map (which you simply can't do as some races) because if everyone could FE on that map, then everyone will do it.

Most 2vs2 games result in cheesing and all-ining each other because they have no viable way of expanding until 15 minutes into the game while the rush distance between the bases is even shorter than on Steppes of War and the natural is more open than on Xel'Nage Cavers or similar maps. From my personal experience the best 2vs2 games that I play have been on maps like Molten Crater where you have the option between:
-1 player FE
-Both FE
-Blink/Nydus/Drop play
-Proxy cheeses, Cannon rushes
-Every possible kind of all-in
-Macro game to 3-4 bases

On March 25 2013 23:27 Syphon8 wrote:
As always Meltage, a beautiful map.

Layout I made a couple days ago:



The playable area is 136x136, but the only places it exceeds 128x128 are the top right and bottom left.

On March 18 2013 09:38 Aircooled wrote:
One of my first hopefully decent 4p maps. What do you think? I feel like the third is still a bit open on the right side but maybe not idk. Oh and ignore the tower on the bottom. 152x152

On March 24 2013 22:16 Meltage wrote:
(2v2)Recreation Station



I have published this on HotS EU as Recreation Station.

On March 27 2013 08:23 TheFish7 wrote:
@NewSunshine - Not going to finish that? Well I hope you somehow have an even better reflective map in mind, cause that ones pretty good...

On March 27 2013 16:04 Coppermantis wrote:
@TheFish7:

Oh, that's a good idea with the LOS blockers. I'll try that out; it would probably look and play less awkwardly