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Because I'm a new user I can't use the IMG tag so here is a link instead.
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Work In Progress Melee Maps - Page 113
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Keep our forum clean! PLEASE post your WIP melee maps in this thread for initial feedback. -Barrin | ||
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Tio
5 Posts
150x150 Because I'm a new user I can't use the IMG tag so here is a link instead. http://i.imgur.com/grdxhOy.jpg | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7BmqZiu.jpg) here is your image visible in the thread. you do this by clicking "upload image" in the top right of your messaging window. this calibrates the link automatically to work as a image-link. nat looks harassable and your thirds are far away and quite open which makes them tricky to take and defend. you should try to not use cardinal direction ramps, they are difficult to see ingame. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On May 03 2014 03:35 Tio wrote: Hey everyone, this is my first time making a map and I'd love to get some feedback on the layout. I have no experience making maps so I'd like to know all the things wrong with it and what I need to focus on. Thanks! (It's mostly about the layout. I did not really add detail to the map yet.) 150x150 Because I'm a new user I can't use the IMG tag so here is a link instead. http://i.imgur.com/grdxhOy.jpg IMO thats a pretty good first map, you seem to have a good understanding of the basics. A couple things that pop out to me are the natural base mineral line, which can be sieged from the low ground- that is generally considered non-standard and very aggressive favored. Also the 3rd bases are both wide open, and kinda far away so they will be really hard to take for protoss and probably terran as well, and hard to defend as zerg against air aggression. On May 03 2014 02:58 skdeimos wrote: That sounds absolutely incredible. If you want to organize something like this I would be open to help. Ah I'm glad someone likes the idea  Maybe I'll try to organize it soon, just gotta make sure its not going on the same time as a map jam. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On May 03 2014 03:35 Tio wrote: Hey everyone, this is my first time making a map and I'd love to get some feedback on the layout. I have no experience making maps so I'd like to know all the things wrong with it and what I need to focus on. Thanks! (It's mostly about the layout. I did not really add detail to the map yet.) 150x150 Because I'm a new user I can't use the IMG tag so here is a link instead. http://i.imgur.com/grdxhOy.jpg Not too bad for a first map. Everything is in its proper place and the idea is clear, which is more than a lot of first maps. List of things I notice in no particlar order:
glhf ^^ | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ot4CSgz.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xCgXZn8.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JVrR8sW.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wvLVCQR.jpg) | ||
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Tio
5 Posts
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Namrufus
United States396 Posts
... I think I'll abandon that map, the concept of it isn't that interesting... + Show Spoiler + though I'm liking the way the aesthetics are turning out on it; Meinhoff textures usually look awful when I try to use them. Maybe I'll finish the aesthetics for the heck of it, seems like a waste of time though + Show Spoiler +  I have this map: + Show Spoiler [map image] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LghE9LE.jpg) Map dimensions = 152x128, Published as "Epimetheus" What I'm thinking about on the map is the "fourth" base on the highgrounds on the NE and SW corners of the map. I think that base might "flow" too well from the cliffable third: players will be wanting to defend that area anyway from units coming up to cliff-attack the mineral line, so taking the base will "defend" the third. Any thoughts on this? I had that base as a 6m1hyg base before to make the base more "low impact", but changed it to a full base, because that seemd a bit unnecessary? I kind of want to remove the rocks on the ramps there, but that might make the cliffable third too hard to take/vulnerable? Also maybe a bit too much surface area for blink into the main? | ||
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Blizzkrieg
95 Posts
On September 10 2012 06:26 a176 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PGnpP.jpg) primary textures belshir dark grass aiur small tiles tarsonis concrete will be adding tarsonis grass later Gorgeous | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
What I love about this map is that the expansion pattern will be so variable in different matchups and depending on strategies employed. Like zvt will definitely take maincliff 3rd, then probably extra hatch 4th at the "normal" 3rd under the semiisland cliff. By the time drops can land up there mutas will be out, or it's a sacrifice hatchery. Then you swing lefthand for a 5th once you've pushed creep there from the maincliff 3rd. Which will be so different than how you handle pvz for example. Also I don't think it's too blinkable, because of that midground pod. Maybe enlarge that pod a tad and/or put doodads around the highground sides of it to limit the blink landing zone. That makes the blinking much more skillbased and not herp derp in your base timewarp gg but allows good control to make it an effect pin/harass strategy. (This should be a go-to feature imo.) | ||
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Tio
5 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BE6f6E3.jpg) (The ramp from the natural to the center of the map is 50% blocked by destructable rocks. ) Any feedback? Did I create new problems? Also, is there a way to change the color of the fog? | ||
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Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
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Namrufus
United States396 Posts
@EatThePath: Yeah, I actually did post the map in this thread a while back. I also submitted it to the RedBull TLMC, so it is in that threaad too. Thanks for the kind words / feedback on the map. I was thinking about opening up that small choke area on the highground leading from the far rock-blocked ramp too, so I'll definitely do that now. Good point on the main cliffs, I hadn't thought of it like that. | ||
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skdeimos
Canada155 Posts
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JessicaSc2
Poland123 Posts
On May 04 2014 12:42 skdeimos wrote: Current WIP. I've been playing around with an old WIP to the point where it's basically unrecognizable. Inspired by King Sejong Science Base, Daybreak, Cloud Kingdom, and Foxtrot Labs. the naturals are abusable as hell. | ||
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RFDaemoniac
United States544 Posts
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JessicaSc2
Poland123 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zC1pn3b.jpg) gases represent possible bases. | ||
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jeeneeus
1168 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TTCQ3xn.png) Here are some notes on the map itself: + Show Spoiler + The little speckled things in the middle of the map are LOS blockers. I wrote LOS as it is hard to see what they are in this view. The rocks behind the mains should be one huge horizontal rock. I accidentally made part of the path off the map so I couldn't fit it and put all those rocks there instead. I want to put air blockers around the main where the minerals and gas are. I had no idea how to do this. Here are some notes on how the map plays out: + Show Spoiler + I wanted to make a map that would be fun to watch players like Life play on. So there are lots of weird counter attacking paths to take. The idea is that the map may not have the biggest areas, but it compensates by having multiple attack paths to engage from. Stuff about the main: + Show Spoiler + On the path that goes behind the main, tanks can not reach the mineral line and you can not blink into the main. The huge horizontal rock should be long enough that you can't blink over them. I wanted the rocks behind the main to be far away enough from the mineral line that a player would have to build something (or put an overlord) there to see if the rocks are being destroyed. A reaper can jump from the natural into the main and then into the little back area. The reaper can only go back into the main from there, but it can use that little extra space to try to maneuver around a stalker msc to scout the base. Hidden tech can of course be put back there as well. Stuff about the natural: + Show Spoiler + The natural can be walled off with a standard wall off (forge, gateway, pylon, zealot) The nat2nat distance is 47 seconds. The natural can not be hit by siege tanks from the third. Stuff about the closer third: + Show Spoiler + For your third you can choose the one that's closer and easier to defend (two ramps), but it will be closer to your opponent, or the one that's tucked further away, but is much wider. Tanks in the middle can fire at the choke between the natural and the closer third, but there is enough space for units to go above the line of fire and into the third (such as workers). At a certain point, tanks can hit the closer third base from the low ground. It is probably a good idea to attack before they get there, especially since the space before that is wider and has two directions to attack from. You can try to use the LOS blockers to surprise an army in a smaller area, or wait until they step into the larger area with two attack paths. However, for a protoss, one of those two directions can be preemptively forcefielded with 3 forcefields, making the units have to run all the way around the high ground area if they want to atk on two sides. If a player chooses to have his units at the choke between the natural and third, a player can send units around the long way, into the path behind the base to try to do damage to the main. I am considering putting the two ramps at the natural further away from each other so it is not as easy to see units going through that area. Stuff about the middle: + Show Spoiler + I wanted to make the middle maybe two spaces wider, but I ran out of room. Currently, all the middle spaces are at least 10 units wide. Tanks on the middle high ground area can hit most of the choke on the low ground, but there is enough space both on top and bottom to slip through. Swarm hosts are easy to deal with because you can fire at the locusts while they are traveling through the middle from your side. Also the LOS blockers give an extra second to fire at locusts. Alternatively, the zerg can try to take the middle high ground areas to have a better vantage point for the swarm hosts, but that is really far away. I briefly considered putting xel naga towers in the middle high ground areas, but I remembered I disliked xel naga towers. Stuff about the other bases: + Show Spoiler + The top gas of the far away third (or fourth) can be hit by tanks from the path around the main. I think if you let a terran get tanks behind your army and placed there, you deserve to lose that gas. There is a mini base (4m1g). I had that extra space doing nothing so I put it there. I could be easily convinced to remove it. | ||
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Leprechaun Tree
United States21 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4SjxkX2.jpg) Since you won't be aware which of the 15 spawns your enemy is at, you will have to alter your game play significantly. Do you play greedy and hope he won't find you? Or do you immediately attack, hoping to find him. At the highest levels of play, this map will quickly alter the metagame. I am not finished with textures/artwork, only the terrain. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
I'm not by any mean trying to discrourage you but you aimed for something way too hard to accomplish as your first map. You should focus on something easier before trying some weird stuff. No rule is set in stone but you should learn and respect some of them before trying to transgress them successfuly : - Only use 45 degrees inclines ramps. Cardinal ramp are weird (most of the time). - Make your map as symmetrical as possible - Look at the maps on the ladder, try to reproduce their proportions (for example the main should be large enough to contain most (if not all) terran buildings until the late game without forcing the player to think how to place his buildings properly) - Open the blizzard maps in your editor and copy/past the bases on your map, it will be easier than making your own weird bases (don't use the symmetry tool to creat multiple bases at once, it will fuck up the mineral placement) - Always think about the forcefields, If a protoss can forcefield his way to the zerg base without breaking a sweat, your map is probably too chokey - Waste as little space as possible. Why would you creat some places on the map where nothing will ever happen ? - Don't creat overly complicated maps (especially if those are your first maps). People playing this game don't want to have to think for hours on how to get to their next expand, where are the spawn locations etc. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
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