• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:07
CEST 21:07
KST 04:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
38 yo Retired SWE looking to save SC IP I have 0 hope Blizzard doing anything with SC IP SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Working 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 Ladder BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Bot on ladder an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr - bo7 - Sunday 9pm CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7184 users

[D] Intellectual Ownership of your maps v.s. Blizzard - Pa…

Forum Index > SC2 Maps & Custom Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Tassadar_UK
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
August 06 2011 08:43 GMT
#21
To TheAmazombie:

I was speaking of universally shared laws throughout the western world, and the world as a whole; rather than of any specific country. There are some things which hold true in all countries. Concepts of contract and ownership is one such issue where everyone has the same fundamentals.
The DMCA is also another global-like law, because there is matching laws everywhere passed around the same time.
So purely as far as legal technicalities go, in developed countries my affirmations stand. I dont know about the more shakey democracies around the world, like south america or eastern asia.. its entirely possible they have exceptions.

Physical situation realities are, however, as you said, a completely different issue.
Its the same with all laws and crimes, civil and criminal.

I would very much like to answer something raised by mavsfan0041 on that issue:
The thing is, and maybe I'm just cynical, that what's to stop Blizzard from just taking your maps anyways regardless of whether the EULA is legally binding or not? I mean they're the multi-billion dollar company with expensive lawyers. And odds are the map maker isn't going to go to war with Blizzard for the relatively small amount of money compared to the cost of what would surely be a drawn out court battle.

(which is basically TheAmazombie's point too.)

Firstly, a quick side-point.
In europe, in issues of an enormous giant company trying to use the work of a tiny little person; judgement precedent and judge/jury personality are EXTREMELY hostile to the giant company. This isnt true with other issues, but with copyright it definately is. In the US it is entirely possible that this isnt the case, however i know of a number of cases you have had where the court has favoured the little person,and none that i know of where they havnt.

So the issue is more one of "would blizzard just steal it" and "would the map maker ever sue", which is your direct point.
The paragraph above is actually rather relevant to this. Blizzard would actually fear taking someones map without permission, because they have as much to lose as to gain, and more chance of losing than gaining.

Contraspectively - in europe atleast - the map maker has much to gain and little to lose. It is very likely if he won he would be in for a significant amount of money, and if he lost would face only a small partial legal bill. In the US, land of corperate dictatorship tyranny.. i know not if this would be the situation. I do however know that there are a disproportionate number of legally-minded citizens compared with europe, and truth be told most people would jump at the chance of sueing blizzard. Infact i would say there is more chance of them being sued by an american than a european, even if the european court is more friendly to the case.

So, realistically - I cannot see blizzard ever simply stealing your map. Stealing your map IDEA, yes. The map itself? no.
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
August 06 2011 08:54 GMT
#22
Well I hope that that's true then! I'm not sure what the legal system is like in Europe, but in America the huge companies have a tendency to grind out a lawsuit over time and just wear the individual down through legal costs over time (some stuff about Monsanto the seed company comes to mind). It gets to the point where it doesn't really matter who's in the right because the guy just can't pay his lawyers anymore. But I see what you're saying that really a map is such a small thing in the grand scheme of things that it just isn't worth a headache at all for Blizzard to steal.
R.I.P. CheckSix
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 09:15:39
August 06 2011 09:15 GMT
#23
On August 06 2011 17:43 Tassadar_UK wrote:
So the issue is more one of "would blizzard just steal it" and "would the map maker ever sue", which is your direct point.
The paragraph above is actually rather relevant to this. Blizzard would actually fear taking someones map without permission, because they have as much to lose as to gain, and more chance of losing than gaining.


Yeah, I know. I do not think that they would as they would have more to lose, I totally agree, but the main point is that companies can and have done this, so not matter what the law says, there seem to always be ways around it was really the point I was going for. I appreciate the write-up and it is great stuff to know.

Overall I trust that Blizzard would not do something like that for many reason, but as you said, there is not a ton to gain my doing so. It is just that in today's world even when you think you are protected by the law there seems to always be some kind of back door or some other way for people in a position of power to take what they want if they want it bad enough.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
lefix
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1082 Posts
August 06 2011 09:18 GMT
#24
are copyright laws even the same in every country?
if not, which one does apply? The Location of map creator? Blizzard's headquaters? The Servers the map is uploaded to?
Map of the Month | The Planetary Workshop | SC2Melee.net
hobbidude
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 11:38:14
August 06 2011 11:37 GMT
#25
On August 06 2011 17:43 Tassadar_UK wrote:

So the issue is more one of "would blizzard just steal it" and "would the map maker ever sue", which is your direct point.
The paragraph above is actually rather relevant to this. Blizzard would actually fear taking someones map without permission, because they have as much to lose as to gain, and more chance of losing than gaining.



Not to mention you can still sue in small claims court.

It would be interesting to ask LSprime about how blizzard went about using his map tal'darim and his contact with them.

Regardless, what about copyright laws? By definition the idea and design of the map before even making and publishing copyrights it. By blizzard saying all your maps are now theres, there own agreement has just broken a law, to mention that a previous maps i believe are also required to be grandfathered.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AI Arena Tournament
17:00
Swiss - Round 2
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JuggernautJason77
EnDerr 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 683
Dewaltoss 112
HiyA 34
910 30
Trap 22
Barracks 21
Free 6
Dota 2
monkeys_forever169
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu508
Other Games
FrodaN3052
Grubby2884
summit1g1830
byalli1291
fl0m703
mouzStarbuck337
B2W.Neo314
KnowMe302
ToD205
Hui .168
Mew2King87
IndyStarCraft 85
QueenE83
Trikslyr47
CosmosSc2 29
shahzam3
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream11058
Other Games
gamesdonequick1912
BasetradeTV66
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 51
• mYiSmile139
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix11
• blackmanpl 8
• Pr0nogo 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1770
League of Legends
• Shiphtur224
Other Games
• imaqtpie872
• WagamamaTV254
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 53m
GSL
15h 53m
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
19h 53m
Spirit vs Mixu
BSL
23h 53m
Ret vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 14h
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
1d 15h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs EffOrt
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-18
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.