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DoDonPachi
Canada69 Posts
The 5 map are great  I just can't wait to see the tournament, especialy on Green Harvest and Monsoon valley. Congratz to every mapper, even if you doesn't get to the top 5. Thank you MotM's organization for adding some variety in our favorite game. Have a nice day for all of you | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
 Big J, you're just as right. The thing is that 99% of pros don't do anything with that "applied intuition" because they have no way to implement it. They have to play at the present cusp, and devote all their energy to that, so only those with the most effortless execution and free-flowing genius can show us leaps ahead. Everyone else is just population*, and regardless it takes time. Making a great map, though, is like asking a deep question. Even a simple answer might have layers of meaning. And it may be that nothing ever comes of it. But the success is still there, waiting like a seed in the shade. In a way we have a luxuriant burden. We don't have to beat MC, we just have to make a playground for him. *Incidentally, everyone everyone else besides that is just chaff. What's cool though is that a middling player and fan can appreciate the beautiful things that happen in a well-played pro match. That vicarious comprehension is worth something. While my personal taste prefers more radical selections, I have to say MotM has always been just about optimal for choosing the very best maps that won't be over the head of the current metagame while providing some forward momentum, and always being bulls-eye on damn playable. When there are more than 5 such maps in a given month, binary comparisons aren't really applicable. How many amazing sunrises have you seen? How many have you missed? There will be more. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
Balance: 7.6 Aesthetics: 6.6 Intangibles: 7.7 Average: 7.3 Scored well, I'm happy. Any of the judges care to let me know if there was any major reason why Aesthetics scored so low? Too plain in the middle I assume? + Show Spoiler + I just didn't want to clutter up the playing field!!! haha Thanks for the kind words in the PM, iGrok. <3 | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On July 11 2011 10:06 SidianTheBard wrote: Ignition Point Balance: 7.6 Aesthetics: 6.6 Intangibles: 7.7 Average: 7.3 Scored well, I'm happy. Any of the judges care to let me know if there was any major reason why Aesthetics scored so low? Too plain in the middle I assume? + Show Spoiler + I just didn't want to clutter up the playing field!!! haha Thanks for the kind words in the PM, iGrok. <3 You're going to have to ask the other judges - I love them lol! | ||
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sCnDiamond
Germany340 Posts
- Broceliande - Forgotten Sanctuary - Ignition Point - LoS Desolation - TPW Green Harvest - TPW Antiga Prime - TPW Core Delta - TPW Juno by funcmode - TPW Monsoon Valley - TPW Odyssey 60% of them are from TPW, so i am not suprised at all that they managed to take all five top spots. Sure, it looks biased at first, but when you check these maps out, it's easy to see that the judges got a point in picking those. I can understand that some are pissed off right now, since their map didn't make the cut. One puts a lot of effort into creating them, but please take some time to cool off. Accusing a biased decision doesn't help at all, and i'm afraid in most cases it's yourself that's biased in that regard. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
B 8.0 A 7.1 I 7.2 I am so happy that the Balance Points Points are the Most I Ever reached - subjective or not  And aesthetics: well tastes are different. Some people liked them much better for the extra contrast between levels. But some also choose a really strange looking map to be best of all in the last motm(no offense - just saying tastes and results differ) | ||
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fenX
France127 Posts
7.3 Broceliande 6.2 7.8 7.8 Good map, you were in the top 10 for sure. Damn balance killed me again, maybe I should let someone else take care of that part and only do the aesthetics :/ | ||
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monitor
United States2408 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:09 fenX wrote: Damn balance killed me again, maybe I should let someone else take care of that part and only do the aesthetics :/ Definitely keep making maps. Your concepts are really neat and the aesthetics are great. The balance is better than most maps too- just needs some refining. I think you should make more map threads for that purpose. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:09 fenX wrote: Damn balance killed me again, maybe I should let someone else take care of that part and only do the aesthetics :/ fenX your aesthetics are amazing. I assume you must build them into your map nearly from the start because you have such evocative and complete environments. It might throw a wrench into your process, but I recommend that if you have a map you think will turn out well, post it early to let people give you feedback on the layout! I think in general your maps are a little too open and the proportions are just slightly oversized, both easy things to fix. If you work with the forums you will get finalist ez. Broceliande easily the prettiest map I've seen. Of course I am partial to that sort of countryside. [edit] oh hai monitor beat me to it | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Balance: 7.2 Aesthetics: 6.5 Intangibles: 8.0 avg 7.2 any judge wanna be kind and PM me some extra details on the scores, like usual Tnx alot For everyone: Theres a top15 of maps that get in. The ToiletPaper maps are pretty polished and balanced, you gotta give em that. Im happy with my first 8, I'd love to see one of my maps make top5 for a change but I guess im not good enough yet. Just accept your scores and let that be a drive to do better next month! Take it like a maaaan For the admins: Maybe increase the maps from 5 to 8-ish ? Theres alot more maps and theres alot better maps, its not as big a gaps between the maps as it was in Motm #1 and #2. Top 8 would also give you guys some more breathingroom judging them. Just an idea, you can also expand the attached tournament this way, with a bigger mappoule, but not too big that you wouldnt play all the maps. | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
On July 11 2011 15:23 ihasaKAROT wrote: The World Tree For the admins: Maybe increase the maps from 5 to 8-ish ? Theres alot more maps and theres alot better maps, its not as big a gaps between the maps as it was in Motm #1 and #2. Top 8 would also give you guys some more breathingroom judging them. Just an idea, you can also expand the attached tournament this way, with a bigger mappoule, but not too big that you wouldnt play all the maps. problem is that each map then gets even less games. i would even rather suggest to go from five down to three. my point is that there are many equally polished maps. in the beginning of motm many maps had bad scaling or actually were imba. now the overall quality is quite good. why not only pick really few based on originaly in the sense of new aspects for the game or something new for the visuals. Is there one that really stands out? When I look at the top five - and i am fine with the selection, although it seems like i am not in because of aesthetic reasons(...) - i always find something that bothers me. Look at the maybe best map of this motm: Odyssesy: no choice on expansion direction. While I got that covered for TPW with my difficult forward expansion in Razed, I think more maps should focus on giving options in the way they are played (besides the last expansion in lefix map is also qite difficult in my opinion). On the hand hand i think there is quite something to do (as i pointed out oddysey is not perfect), but still i want to emphasize the possibility to be more experimantal at the same time (razed still got an 8.0 in balance harder selection > less maps > more games to be spectated > better analysis and promotion for the lucky few | ||
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
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hobbidude
Canada171 Posts
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
I think the format will change tho. | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
Will also be subdivided by continent later to make a european map championship etc. | ||
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lefix
Germany1082 Posts
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
there are lots of mapper in the US and Germany for example. When there is only one from Canada, US, Germany, GB, etc. the overall quality will decrease. Noting against South Africa or Italy, but there is not such a broad support with maps coming from there. Rather make teams according to timezones! this allows teamwork and reflects the global village this community and starcraft resembles. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:24 lefix wrote: shiiiiiiit. i better move. too many mappers in germany :D Germany OP. | ||
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