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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 13:43:11
July 22 2010 13:22 GMT
#1
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Introduction
Morrows custom maps is basically an event without any prizes (at the moment) where I invite a few players, preferably 1 of each race and then they duke it out on the maps that are made by myself. After the games I give a small interview on their opinions and thoughts about the maps and maps in general.

So the idea is to get some feedback from these top level players on what I can improve on the maps but it's also to just have a good time enjoying some new maps.

My goal is to keep this event up running steadily but it's not set in stone exactly how frequent it will happen. But hopefully we can all have a good time watching some good games and if this first event goes well I will obviously keep sending them in


Games are Casted by Colin "SchickySC" From ex GLHF.it crew, the new name will be
StarcraftWorld.it ---> check their website here and Youtube Channel and don't forget to SUBSCRIBE!

As the first event here I invited HayprO, Strelok and WhiteRa. Unfortunately we did not have time to play the Terran vs Protoss series because it was a very busy day in the beta phase 2 where we squeezed ourselves in right before the ESL Go4Sc2 Cup. In future I will try to catch a little more time and have a little more preperation. Ideally I want a bo3 in each match up bringing at least 6 games to the table on each event, so for this time we had to settle with a little fewer games than we wanted

HayprO played some sweet games against Strelok on Argutaris.

Haypro vs Strelok ZvT Game 1 on Argutaris
Haypro vs Strelok ZvT Game 2 Part 1 of 2 on Argutaris
Haypro vs Strelok ZvT Game 2 Part 2 of 2 on Argutaris
Haypro vs Strelok ZvT Game 3 Part 1 of 3 on Argutaris
Haypro vs Strelok ZvT Game 3 Part 2 of 3 on Argutaris
Haypro vs Strelok ZvT Game 3 Part 3 of 3 on Argutaris

HayprO vs WhiteRa started right after and they delivered some solid games on both of the maps.

WhiteRa vs Haypro PvZ Game 1 on Argutaris
WhiteRa vs Haypro PvZ Game 2 Part 1 of 2 on Black Rainbow
WhiteRa vs Haypro PvZ Game 2 Part 2 of 2 on Black Rainbow


You can read more about the maps here:
Argutaris Topic ---> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132456
Black Rainbow Topic ----> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133762

Post Game Interview with Strelok :
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[Q]: Hello Strelok. What do u think about Blizzard maps when it comes to balance and gameplay?

[A]: Blizzard maps are different and almost every map favours some race. I think that blizzard is not professional in maps making. I think there have to be professionals to make awsome maps like in Korea.

[Q]: Agree, the koreans and KeSPA made a great job on the maps in Starcraft 1. So what do u think about the brand new 4 player-jungle-map Argutaris? This was the first time you saw the map and played it so you didn't have a lot of preparation.

[S]: During first 2 games I didn't find any difference. Well the only difference was that I didn't know that map. But during 3rd game I have found it awesomeness. This map is big. and it gives you huge chance to macro, so you can play some really amazing games on this map.

[Q]: I saw neither one of you destroyed the rocks to the 3rd base. Were you aware of the rocks? I know it's very difficult to learn a map in only 3 games.

[S]: I didn't know about rocks there.


[MorroW]: I will try to give my testers more information about the maps in the future but I think you and HayprO did a good job adapting to this new map. Anyhow thanks alot for joining in on the show and on the fun and I wish u good luck in ESL that you will play in about an hour or 2.

[Strelok]: Thanks you for making such a beautiful map. It was really fun to play there.


Post Game interview with Haypro:
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[Q]: Hello Hayder, what do u think about the current Blizzard map pool and the balance of those maps? And let's check also gameplay-wise, are they interesting?

[HayprO]: Hi, so in general the maps are alright, they offer different tactics and units choices.
However I feel that for example Kulas Ravine isn't a very fun map to play in and neither is Desert Oasis.
I used to think that some maps favor some races but lately I've changed my mind. Right now it feels like the maps don't play a big role because we've played them alot and we can adapt. If there is any imbalance it's the races themselves.

[Q]: Alright, so today you played a few ZvT games and some ZvP, so lets start out with the TvZ's.
You played on new 4 player-jungle-map Argutaris against Strelok, what do u think about the map? I know it was your first games ever on the map and first time you saw it.

[H]: I think it's a really cool map, I liked the extra gold minerals in the natural and that you had to destroy the rocks to be able to use it.

[Q]: Could you imagine the other matchup's work out well on that map or do you need for example play a few ZvZ's to get a feel of it?
As you said earlier the maps themsleves don't play a big role in the balance. Only 1 ZvP on it maybe was not enough to get a good grasp, or what do u think, HayprO?

[H]: Well I think that ZvZ would be nice, offering different strats depending on opponents starting position if it's far away or close.
When it comes to ZvP I feel that the map is open and big and might help dealing with the Protoss army.

[Q]: Great insight here thats why I take you as toss and zerg in so I can learn more about the ZvP because after all I do only play terran^^ So let's move to the White-Ra series.
We were close to the ESL go4sc2 cup and only had time for 2 games I believe, anyway we switched map to Black Rainbow - a 3 player map, after the first game.
So what do u think about Black Rainbow and 3 player maps designed for 1vs1 in general? As we saw it in sc1, maps like Tau Cross and Longinus became quite popular.

[H]: It's a nice map but I dont like the tileset, it becomes harder to see ur units on lava maps. Other than that I didnt really like that the protoss can make just 1 cannon and defend both his backdoor and his natural exp entrance. Protoss players can expand super easy in that way.

[MorroW]: You can actually only block the natural exp and main base backdoor on that position.
I noticed that while observing and didn't think about it was possible to do that in ZvP, but I will ofcourse do my best to update and make map as positonally balanced as possible, it can be quite hard with 3 player maps.
Anyway the lava tileset can indeed be hard to see at and it will probably need some games to start getting the hawk eye going ingame.
If it turns out to be major issue to visualize it and make Gameplay harder I will ofcourse work on it, and solve it because after all gameplay is more important than decoration.
Anyhow thanks alot for contributing some gg's to this event and also this interview, and I wish you best of luck in these intense tournaments before beta closes

[HayprO]: Thanks, bye


In case ur wondering why there is no WhiteRa interview, I wanted to make one but the time was so slim and he was busy owning up ESL :D

There is no available download for the maps yet. I plan on uploading them a week after release or something like that, first week is obviously gonna be very busy for me. In the future I try get in some new gamers and some new maps.

There are also no replays available because there are vods of every game

You can read more about the maps themselves here:
Black Rainbow
Argutaris

And also check out the guests at Liquipedia and GosuGamers ranking in case you don't already know them
Haypro #41 Zerg
White-Ra #15 Protoss
Strelok #5 Terran
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
July 22 2010 13:28 GMT
#2
Really good idea.

I hope to see some new maps after the release to replace some bad ones (kulas ravine).
Anyway, some VODs with great players will help to survive before the release
Angryhorse
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden387 Posts
July 22 2010 13:34 GMT
#3
Hoha. Really impressed!: D keep up the good job
Don't cry blood, the world doesn't revolve around you
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 22 2010 13:39 GMT
#4
Any chance you could do this for other mapmaker's maps or are you just doing your own? =(.
tosS.ita
Profile Joined May 2010
Italy523 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 13:46:42
July 22 2010 13:41 GMT
#5
very nice!
aka: [Lw]Tropper, tosS[Lw], aiC)tosS, 88han-tosS
scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 13:57:01
July 22 2010 13:56 GMT
#6
The games were awesome. I really like Argutaris, looks like a very fun map. Not sure about Black Rainbow though, the tileset is what really puts me off. Dark maps like that really throw me off, I can't see anything. I don't know if I need to turn the brightness up on my monitor or if it's my colourblindness, but I really dislike dark maps.
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
July 22 2010 14:06 GMT
#7
Oh man, definitely checking these out tonight. Post-release I was palnning on putting something like this together, looks like you beat me to the punch~

Keep up the good work!
ESV Mapmaking Team || http://twitter.com/prodiGsc || Real talk, I don't have time to sugar-coat it for you sir
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
July 22 2010 14:22 GMT
#8
nice idea man
http://www.twitch.tv/czelpredy
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
July 22 2010 14:24 GMT
#9
i'm jalous, i want these guys on my maps : [
Search "[SO]" on B.net to find all my maps ||| Cloud Kingdom / Turbo Cruise '84 / Bone Temple / Eternal Empire / Zen / Purity and Industry / Golden Wall / Fortitude / Beckett Industries / Waterfall
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
July 22 2010 14:29 GMT
#10
SchickySC Is awesome
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
July 22 2010 15:15 GMT
#11
haypro vs strelok game 3 was more awesome than most games we see in big tournaments. also looks like a great map. black rainbow seems a bit shitty for zerg though.
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
July 22 2010 15:18 GMT
#12
Yeah, third game of Strelok vs Haypro was pretty cool. And Argutaris looks awesome. I would totally play that map.

Watching WhiteRa vs Haypro now...
shape
Profile Joined December 2009
United States119 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 15:23:43
July 22 2010 15:21 GMT
#13
great idea for feedback
CagedMind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States506 Posts
July 22 2010 15:23 GMT
#14
You beat me to it I was planning on makings things happen with my maps through connections too lol. Although I have to reconnect to them.(screw u blizz for taking away friends list) Unfortunately I think a lot of getting your maps somehow is connections.
your micro has been depleted
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
July 22 2010 15:24 GMT
#15
Morrow I love the the creativity of your maps. So unique and sexy
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
July 22 2010 15:31 GMT
#16
These maps look bomb!
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
July 22 2010 15:33 GMT
#17
thanks for all the positive feedback so far, it looks very promising for me to bring another event in a few weeks
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
July 22 2010 15:37 GMT
#18
Any more maps in productions?
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
July 22 2010 15:51 GMT
#19
Dustin Browder: ". . . Ladder maps are smaller and less complicated on purpose because they have to serve a much wider community than the top 1% of players. We expect that professional players will be making their own maps and we will see more and more of those in tournament play going forward."

It would definitely be nice to see tournaments adopt some custom maps. The issue is that it takes players a while to get used to the maps, so maybe stuff like this will help these maps get used.
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
July 22 2010 15:58 GMT
#20
On July 23 2010 00:51 koppik wrote:
Dustin Browder: ". . . Ladder maps are smaller and less complicated on purpose because they have to serve a much wider community than the top 1% of players. We expect that professional players will be making their own maps and we will see more and more of those in tournament play going forward."

It would definitely be nice to see tournaments adopt some custom maps. The issue is that it takes players a while to get used to the maps, so maybe stuff like this will help these maps get used.


If a maps good, hopefully we'll get them into the ladder pool and dump some of the blizzard made maps. I'd play both of these maps all day personally.
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
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