[P] monitor's Map Thread

monitor

United States2408 Posts

July 20 2010 04:02 GMT

Monitor's Map Thread

Tournament Maps

(2) - ESV Afterglow
Size: 144x116
Base count: 12
Status: NA, EU, KR, SEA
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Map Thread

(2) - ESV Korhal Compound TE
Size: 132x136
Base Count: 10
Status: NA, EU, KR
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Map Thread

Non-rotation Maps

(4) - WIP Greenery
Size: 144x144
Base count: 16
Status: N/A
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No Map Thread

(2) - ESV Equinox
Size: 112x136
Base Count: 10
Status: NA
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monitor

United States2408 Posts

July 20 2010 04:33 GMT

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neobowman

Canada3324 Posts

July 20 2010 05:53 GMT

I think you need to add more textures and more decoration to the map in general. Otherwise, it looks really, really bland.

Looks decent. You might want to reduce the 100 mineral blocks to something like 40 or 30, just so you can mine them out faster. Xel naga watch towers seem a little poorly placed. Maybe put them behind the line of sight blockers.

Not bad map.

omgCRAZY

Canada551 Posts

July 20 2010 06:02 GMT

Looks interesting, I have no idea if it is balanced enough for tournament play or not. I agree with the above poster that the map needs more textures and things to make it look nicer and the xel'naga towers seem somewhat useless in their current positions.

I do like the setup of the Main and natural.Good work.

monitor

United States2408 Posts

July 20 2010 06:13 GMT

^^ I agree that it needs more doo-dads/textures- will work on this

...but the Xel' Nagas prove to be very useful in game. When someone has positioned their army on the high ground, it helps a lot to control the Xel'Naga to avoid being flanked or surrounded.

Ex 1: I played against a Protoss who had his army gaurding the ramp (sentry/zealot/stalk), and because he controlled the Xel'Naga, he saw my speedlings try to run into his army and surround him. If he hadn't controlled the tower, my roaches would have attacked from lower and lings would have surrounded his army.

Ex 2: I also played a late game vs. Terran, and because he didn't control the Xel' Naga, I was able to do a quick roach harass on his 3rd.

About the minerals/choke-

It was less per patch, but when that path becomes easier to unblock it makes an imbalance. The attacker can waltz in with his army (siege tanks in particular), easily destroy his natural, and be in a good position to destroy the main.

Thanks for feedback!! I will be adding more textures and consider moving the Xel' Nagas.

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

July 20 2010 06:16 GMT

nm, yea looks ok base layout seems kinda plain to me, but that might be mostly because no deco yet.

monitor

United States2408 Posts

July 20 2010 06:19 GMT

Would you guys be willing to download it and see it in game?

Might give you a better perspective if you play against the AI

EDIT: Uploading version with AI opponent soon

ComradeDeux

United States7 Posts

July 20 2010 08:25 GMT

It would take 20 trips of 1 worker to mine out one of those mineral patches. That is a lot of mining and scouting not being done, and takes a long time. Why not replace the mineral patches with destructible rocks, eh? Mineable patches are meant to tempt the player who's base they are next to, for instance on Destination they gave access to the easiest third option (albeit mineral only) and control over the backing of your natural, making it safer. And that was just stacked 0 minerals, so you didn't need to do all the actual REAL mining to do. And in it's curret state, who would want to ruin a perfectly safe natural by wasting valuable mining time? If you replace it with destructible rocks it offers more paths of attack and makes defense harder which rewards aggressive play, a good foil to an easy to take natural. Also, destructible rocks, besides being obnoxious, can change how the map works in interesting ways. For instance, take Blistering Sands, the destructible rocks are the bane of expanders at first, because attackers can bounce from one entrance to another, but if a protoss player for instance 2 gates and walls off the choke to the natural, he can expand and knock down the rocks and use them as his main entrance/exit. A similar option could be presented here offering an alternate expansion pattern, perhaps taking the natural early, knocking down the rocks that (IMO) should replace those impotent mineral chunks, and then take the opponent's fourth as a third. This seems especially suited for terran mech because terran mech's immobility means they generally want to nab expansions as they slowly encroach towards their opponent (Think Kantrina).

[TL/DR]: No person in their right mind would mine out those mineral patches and the easy nat combined with that would, in my view of it (I could be wrong), promote passivity over aggression. It would be folly to try an agressive strategy that sacrifices an economy on a map where the defender holds all the cards. Switch the minerals with destructible rocks, it adds an addendum to the easy natural that adds strategic depth.

[TLDRWTL] (Too Long Didn't Read Was Too Long) Then you too lazy

-Cheers

Also, first post! I have apparently stopped lurking for this. Hurray?

Edit: I just wanted to say that I actually like the map from a design perspective, but it does need to be made more pretty. I remember seeing a recreation of Chupung-Ryeong that was simply gorgeous. I would look for that for insperation. Keep up the good work!

monitor

United States2408 Posts

July 20 2010 15:38 GMT

I think it would make more sense to lower the mineral count, because if I added destructible rocks, then nobody would use the main entrance. In the first edition, that pathway was not even there. If I made the minerals have 20, would that be decent?

With 25 minerals, it would take 5-10 harvesters to mine that out (possibly w/out a CC near it).

With 100 minerals, it was only really possible to get out if you had taken the natural expansion.

UniQ.eu

Sweden82 Posts

July 26 2010 21:39 GMT

#10

The map looks cool, I would consider making the mains high(+2) ground although, to reduce the risk of beeing walled in for zerg players.
The map also needs work on it's textures and doodads.
I would consider adding destructable rocks instead of low mineral patches, although that's mainly because I'm more faimliar with that.

monitor

United States2408 Posts

July 27 2010 00:16 GMT

#11

Version 1.1 is here! Changes include:

-main on high ground
-3rd's ramp widened
-destructible rocks replacing minerals

DL link updated, check it out!

monitor

United States2408 Posts

July 28 2010 16:42 GMT

#12

Check out iCCup Neo Avalanche in-game!

G_Wen

Canada525 Posts

October 19 2010 23:16 GMT

#13

Neo Avalanche looks great though I do prefer the older icy blue terrain. I also really want to see a competitive version of Cobra.

Nightmarjoo

United States3360 Posts

October 19 2010 23:16 GMT

#14

I played the TSI version of Avalanche in a tourney, and it felt mostly comfortable, from what I was able to play of it. The mains might have been a little tight though, maybe you could expand them towards the map edge a bit?

monitor

United States2408 Posts

January 30 2011 01:58 GMT

#15

Map Thread Reformated. New maps added and information added. Let me know what you think!

Johanaz

Denmark363 Posts

January 31 2011 02:40 GMT

#16

pwn

I really like the layout of Metascape. What are your thoughts regarding the two ramps leading from 3rd to gold?

edit: sorry! missed your new banner by a few minutes.

Reptilia

Chile913 Posts

January 31 2011 02:59 GMT

#17

nevermind im retarded

monitor

United States2408 Posts

February 11 2011 04:11 GMT

#18

Added link to my Proportions Guide in the OP.
OP also updated with (4)Adagio Beta:

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monitor

United States2408 Posts

March 26 2011 18:56 GMT

#19

Added to the OP.

(4)iCCup Amazon
Size: 136x136
Base Count: 16 total
Status: NA, EU
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monitor

United States2408 Posts

June 23 2011 15:19 GMT

#20

Added (2)iCCup Deity and put descriptions for some maps beneath the overview picture.

monitor

United States2408 Posts

August 10 2011 20:41 GMT

#21

Updated OP with:

(2) Mango [non-competition]
(2) Legend [map concept]
(4) Corruption [competition]

Let me know what you think of them, particularly Legend.

dezi

Germany1536 Posts

August 10 2011 21:27 GMT

#22

You're working outside of your map proportions :p

Phried

Canada147 Posts

August 10 2011 21:56 GMT

#23

I like Legend. I think it's a cool concept and reminds me of Brood War maps (can't put my finger on why).

Off-topic:

I'm a little curious, what separates competition maps from non competition maps? Are competition maps intended for competitive, submitted to map making competitions, currently played in competitions or something else?

dezi

Germany1536 Posts

August 10 2011 22:30 GMT

#24

Non-competition often lack in terms of layout (expo) or paths which lead to a dull gameplay or they are experimental maps (style/layout/...).

SidianTheBard

United States2474 Posts

August 10 2011 22:41 GMT

#25

I think this would be cool for Legend. Put the gold on the low ground closer to your main so if you want to be more aggressive you could take that but it would also open you up a lot more. Make the higher ground where the gold is smaller...not sure if you'd want to add anything up on it though?

Also, if you keep it your way make sure you can't get vision into the main from sitting up on that gold high ground.

monitor

United States2408 Posts

August 10 2011 23:03 GMT

#26

You're working outside of your map proportions

Heh... I'm actually working on that thread now, going to rewrite some stuff.

Thanks! Non-competition maps are maps that aren't good enough to be played in competitive games- the competition maps are either currently being used, or are intended to be used.

Non-competition often lack in terms of layout (expo) or paths which lead to a dull gameplay or they are experimental maps (style/layout/...).

Yeah, but they are really good for learning and trying out ideas.

On August 11 2011 07:41 SidianTheBard wrote:
I think this would be cool for Legend. Put the gold on the low ground closer to your main so if you want to be more aggressive you could take that but it would also open you up a lot more. Make the higher ground where the gold is smaller...not sure if you'd want to add anything up on it though?

Also, if you keep it your way make sure you can't get vision into the main from sitting up on that gold high ground.

That would be cool... my reason I don't want it against the main is because it wouldn't be used as a 5th base leading off of the 4th in the corner. I will move the gold closer to the main so you can take it as an aggressive base, but it can't be quite that close.

monitor

United States2408 Posts

February 22 2012 03:38 GMT

#27

Sheeessshh, the OP needed an update. Check out some of my new stuff. And by the way, I'm doing an aesthetic overhaul of Equinox- soon to come!

NewSunshine

United States5938 Posts

February 22 2012 03:48 GMT

#28

Woah, cool thread.
Oh and, uh, Legend. How prophetic. :p

monitor

United States2408 Posts

May 05 2012 18:21 GMT

#29

OP Updated with a new work in progress:

(4) - Greenery [placeholder name]
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Aunvilgod

2653 Posts

May 05 2012 18:44 GMT

#30

On May 06 2012 03:21 monitor wrote:
OP Updated with a new work in progress:

(4) - Greenery [placeholder name]
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Don´t you think this would lead to too many turtle-games? If for example terrans have a few tanks and marines on that highground there is pretty much nothing your opponent can do to do damage. What would you think about making the center a highground to make the defenders advantage smaller?

monitor

United States2408 Posts

May 05 2012 19:15 GMT

#31

On May 06 2012 03:44 Aunvilgod wrote:

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Possibly. I played some test games and they wen't alright, but the cliff above the nat was really annoying and the third is pretty turtley. Right now I'm just going to keep testing and refine it. I'm not happy with the gameplay as it is.

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