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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 25 2008 17:26 GMT
#1
Point of Emphasis: Loki along with Monty/Troy can go down as one of "iNc's Favorites" If we could do such a thing. It feels like almost all the games on these maps are amazing. This one while only 20 minutes long, has lots of fun packed into it. Queens broodling mechs, mass muta/ling, ultras and a comeback o my!

+ Show Spoiler +
The result of the series was a 2-1 win for Paranoid. I am not biased (that much). I think you guys are well aware I would upload a loss replay it just seems this is a worthy replay for ya'll so enjoy
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5533 Posts
March 25 2008 17:51 GMT
#2
Cute.
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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-25 22:24:32
March 25 2008 17:51 GMT
#3
from what i heard on other forums:
(Involves spoiler about the games)
+ Show Spoiler +

Funny stuff:
Random guy: "paranoid 1-1 Idra ?"
Idra: "2-0 but technically 1-1 since he made ultralisk one game"

-----------------------------------------
idra lost 2-1

Idra's comment after game: "gay little newbie just keep dropping and macroing off with no econ! Fucking stupid idiotic game"
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1602 Posts
March 25 2008 17:56 GMT
#4
Speaking of the series, i prefer the game on Tau Cross where Gosia makes a nice game after he failed to take his natural
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 25 2008 18:04 GMT
#5
PSA can you not put the results of a series without spoilers please? This site has a function for a reason...
Samejima
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada534 Posts
March 25 2008 18:15 GMT
#6
On March 26 2008 02:51 ilj.psa wrote:
from what i heard on other forums:

Funny stuff:
Random guy: "paranoid 1-1 Idra ?"
Idra: "2-0 but technically 1-1 since he made ultralisk one game"

-----------------------------------------
idra lost 2-1

Idra's comment after game: "gay little newbie just keep dropping and macroing off with no econ! Fucking stupid idiotic game"

He's such a crybaby, and then game 3 he goes bbs middle of the map lolz
What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't recognized yet.
1t2t3t4t5taw
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Andorra173 Posts
March 25 2008 18:16 GMT
#7
On March 26 2008 02:51 ilj.psa wrote:
from what i heard on other forums:

Funny stuff:
Random guy: "paranoid 1-1 Idra ?"
Idra: "2-0 but technically 1-1 since he made ultralisk one game"

-----------------------------------------
idra lost 2-1

Idra's comment after game: "gay little newbie just keep dropping and macroing off with no econ! Fucking stupid idiotic game"


lol sounds about right
afadf
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
March 25 2008 18:25 GMT
#8
http://www.tot-gaming.com/index.php?include=news_detail&id=74

LOL.
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NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
March 25 2008 19:09 GMT
#9
And this guy is going to to korea, if he isen't there already?

GG anyway, nice something out of the usual.
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
March 25 2008 20:00 GMT
#10
+ Show Spoiler +
No swarm , ultras suck vs goljats, cause goljats make big dmg... I think metal can be good strat here cause there is so much gas..
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
March 25 2008 20:12 GMT
#11
gees the drama queens... you have a perfect opportunity to just comment on the replay but nooooo you must comment on the drama. those who publicize, perpetuate and take joy in others' faults are true dickheads. there's no way around it

anyway it's a entertaining game. my newbie tvz eyes can't glean the strategical points but it was fun to watch
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
March 25 2008 20:33 GMT
#12
Idra deserves all the bashing there lol.
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
March 25 2008 20:42 GMT
#13
On March 26 2008 05:33 Twisted wrote:
Idra deserves all the bashing there lol.


i agree... i really don't want to comment his behavior here in the replay section. but there's one thing i want to say. he's the one who'll have the oppertunity to go to korea and represent the foreign scene there. but with a manner like that he doesn't deserve that in my opinion. i don't know him, so i'm not able to judge him. i just hope he wont behave like that in korea after losing 2000 games in a row against his korean training partners.


nevertheless, it was an amusing game. but without swarm there's not much you can do against a terran
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-25 21:01:16
March 25 2008 20:57 GMT
#14
I'm not done the replay yet, and I'm assuming IdrA wins, but I have a question to ask from a strategic ZvT vs Metal point of view.

Is this generally the mindset you want when fighting against metal ZvT? Gosia double expands when he scouts it, and masses heavily upgraded mutaling. (The broodlings were hot, btw) Should I look at this replay as a general guideline to fighting metal? Mass expand, mutaling, upgrades are very important, counter his base when he moves out?

I can't help but think that Gosia made a large mistake in neglecting his 3rd carapace and any ling attack upgrades, and by switching tech to ultra he created a massive timing window that IdrA had no problem exploiting.
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kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
March 25 2008 21:36 GMT
#15
After watching the rep where Idra techically didnt lose cause of ULTRA, I must say I understand why he is angry,,,, He had that game and played perfectly till the point gay ultras came . Btw its better game then this imho(not that this isnt good), check it from that link from Twisted post...
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 25 2008 22:11 GMT
#16
Yep, IdrA has a piss poor attitude sometimes. Great. Lets post another 10 posts agreeing on this so we can look like a conglomeration of agreeable fellas! Or..lets comment on the REPLAY in the REPLAY COMMENTS section and save the bad manner discussion of the player for a thread where its relavent?

"Hes going to korea?" What a fucking stupid implication. There are AND HAVE BEEN people with equally or worse attitudes in korea. You think this is unique? Rekrul in his finals against Assem at WCG USA talked shit IRL. Half the korean pro gamers dance around like fucking morons after they beat their opponent just to rub it in. Dont act like IdrA is some kind of anomally. And dont get me started on draco/testie.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 25 2008 22:12 GMT
#17
On March 26 2008 06:36 kroko wrote:
After watching the rep where Idra techically didnt lose cause of ULTRA, I must say I understand why he is angry,,,, He had that game and played perfectly till the point gay ultras came . Btw its better game then this imho(not that this isnt good), check it from that link from Twisted post...


you have to be talking about the bluestorm game. And it was a macro slip by IdrA and the great macro of Paranoid combined with the power of the ultra that won it for Paranoid. IdrA faults Paranoid but in reality, its greg's fault he slipped on macro and Paranoid took advantage of the opening like _any_ good player would.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-25 22:18:39
March 25 2008 22:18 GMT
#18
Can iNc or any other good zerg comment on my post above? I want to know if I have the right idea when combatting mech, as it's becoming more and more common in my ZvT's (damn you Flash >_< )
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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
March 25 2008 22:28 GMT
#19
On March 26 2008 07:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Yep, IdrA has a piss poor attitude sometimes. Great. Lets post another 10 posts agreeing on this so we can look like a conglomeration of agreeable fellas! Or..lets comment on the REPLAY in the REPLAY COMMENTS section and save the bad manner discussion of the player for a thread where its relavent?

"Hes going to korea?" What a fucking stupid implication. There are AND HAVE BEEN people with equally or worse attitudes in korea. You think this is unique? Rekrul in his finals against Assem at WCG USA talked shit IRL. Half the korean pro gamers dance around like fucking morons after they beat their opponent just to rub it in. Dont act like IdrA is some kind of anomally. And dont get me started on draco/testie.

lol dont try to justify his shitty manners, IdrA also should know better since he will probably play for a proteam in the future.
Personally all times i played with Idra he's always been bm
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13425 Posts
March 25 2008 23:21 GMT
#20
Idra's a cock, what else is new?

On the game, I thought it was quite nice, but I think Gosia made a mistake going Ultras. They're not that great vs metal and I think he would have been much better served with hydras, lings guards and defilers.

Well palyed by both though - Idra's macro is quite strong.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 26 2008 00:19 GMT
#21
On March 26 2008 07:28 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 07:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Yep, IdrA has a piss poor attitude sometimes. Great. Lets post another 10 posts agreeing on this so we can look like a conglomeration of agreeable fellas! Or..lets comment on the REPLAY in the REPLAY COMMENTS section and save the bad manner discussion of the player for a thread where its relavent?

"Hes going to korea?" What a fucking stupid implication. There are AND HAVE BEEN people with equally or worse attitudes in korea. You think this is unique? Rekrul in his finals against Assem at WCG USA talked shit IRL. Half the korean pro gamers dance around like fucking morons after they beat their opponent just to rub it in. Dont act like IdrA is some kind of anomally. And dont get me started on draco/testie.

lol dont try to justify his shitty manners, IdrA also should know better since he will probably play for a proteam in the future.
Personally all times i played with Idra he's always been bm


Justify? Do you even know what that means? I fucking BEGIN the statement with "Yep, IdrA has a piss poor attitude sometimes..." Didja catch that part you fucking retard? The rest of my post was a plea for people to not feel the need to make a bunch of posts generally agreeing with what we all seem to know.. the last part of my post was discussing attitude and how little that has to do with going to korea GET YOUR SMALL HEAD OUT OF YOUR GIANT ASS PLEASE.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 26 2008 00:22 GMT
#22
On March 26 2008 05:57 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I'm not done the replay yet, and I'm assuming IdrA wins, but I have a question to ask from a strategic ZvT vs Metal point of view.

Is this generally the mindset you want when fighting against metal ZvT? Gosia double expands when he scouts it, and masses heavily upgraded mutaling. (The broodlings were hot, btw) Should I look at this replay as a general guideline to fighting metal? Mass expand, mutaling, upgrades are very important, counter his base when he moves out?

I can't help but think that Gosia made a large mistake in neglecting his 3rd carapace and any ling attack upgrades, and by switching tech to ultra he created a massive timing window that IdrA had no problem exploiting.


Mech is a strange and difficult beast for both players. You are correct to question his decision to fall behind in upgrades. Gosia should have had 2 evos if not 3 madly pumping the juices into his army. Ultras are fine and good but with SUCH a gol heavy army he needed to go swarm as well. Also the key to fighting mech is to starve/force them to starve themselves. You can do this by making so many expansions and constantly making them deal with plague/swarm that they eventually run themselves out or you can drop their base and keep them relatively close to home.
1t2t3t4t5taw
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Andorra173 Posts
March 26 2008 02:33 GMT
#23
On March 26 2008 09:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 07:28 ilj.psa wrote:
On March 26 2008 07:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Yep, IdrA has a piss poor attitude sometimes. Great. Lets post another 10 posts agreeing on this so we can look like a conglomeration of agreeable fellas! Or..lets comment on the REPLAY in the REPLAY COMMENTS section and save the bad manner discussion of the player for a thread where its relavent?

"Hes going to korea?" What a fucking stupid implication. There are AND HAVE BEEN people with equally or worse attitudes in korea. You think this is unique? Rekrul in his finals against Assem at WCG USA talked shit IRL. Half the korean pro gamers dance around like fucking morons after they beat their opponent just to rub it in. Dont act like IdrA is some kind of anomally. And dont get me started on draco/testie.

lol dont try to justify his shitty manners, IdrA also should know better since he will probably play for a proteam in the future.
Personally all times i played with Idra he's always been bm


Justify? Do you even know what that means? I fucking BEGIN the statement with "Yep, IdrA has a piss poor attitude sometimes..." Didja catch that part you fucking retard? The rest of my post was a plea for people to not feel the need to make a bunch of posts generally agreeing with what we all seem to know.. the last part of my post was discussing attitude and how little that has to do with going to korea GET YOUR SMALL HEAD OUT OF YOUR GIANT ASS PLEASE.


How did you ever get to 14000 posts without being banned?
afadf
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 26 2008 02:45 GMT
#24
What in that quote or in this discussion do you think is a bannable offense? Please, I'd love to know. Was it the cussing? Was it the caps? If those things terrify you heed this warning: There are more of these out there in the world of the internetz. Tread carefully my friend.
Im-JaY
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada69 Posts
March 26 2008 03:07 GMT
#25
Definitely a good game from both players.
But I do think that a swarm or two could have helped the Zerg out a lot, there were just too many gols to take down without it. Never-the-less still a really good game.
Keep them coming.
pSy.
Profile Joined March 2008
United States11 Posts
March 26 2008 03:08 GMT
#26
He can't win every time. The fact that he has the opportunity to go to korea, we expect so much from him. Once things settle in and he gets accustomed to the korean gaming life and takes advantages of the critiques from Estro coaches and players he's going to be a better player mentally and will learn to accept his losses and learn from them. Therefore, he will learn to act more professional and re-examine his game and learn from the mistakes. I think many people who do get a chance to be a progamer never succeed because they can't handle the losses they get in games and always have the thinking that "Oh, another loss fuck... I suck ... I quit .. I can't do it. It takes time and things can't happen in a flash ~_~ I remember IdrA talking about in of his interviews that he played the game because it was fun. I hope he remembers that he plays it because he enjoys it and not merely for competition and fame. Look it BoXeR, if you read his biography he said most of his accomplishments was due to the fact that he enjoyed the game so much and was having fun =P
Zeller
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States1109 Posts
March 26 2008 07:55 GMT
#27
Who doesnt get pissed off when they lose sometimes ? hes human like the rest of us , who cares, just shows how seriously he takes the game , perfect candidate for Korea in my opinion

oh yeah gg btw
Last.Epic , Epic[LighT]
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
March 26 2008 08:59 GMT
#28
Idra has always had something of an attitude. It's his choice, he deals with it, and he's a good player so I don't see any point in making comments about it. Particularly after letting Paranoid use ultras to take Game 2, I can see any excellent tvzer (as idra is) getting antsy about that.

ggz and this one in particular. I do enjoy metal in tvz and I enjoyed the games from this CW. Nony/Xiaozi was fun too, although I feel too rusty in understanding tvz/pvz to comment much beyond that.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 26 2008 14:25 GMT
#29
Its just a bit absurd when a player of this skill-class talks about balance issues ( ultras ) when we all know ultras are not imbalanced. As is no units in the world of Starcraft. Im waiting on the moment when he will be in a osl final ( which he will never be in of course ) vs a Zerg user losing the 5th deciding game and he writes ''gG Ultras are imba yo ''

No seriously.. I dont even care.. on the other hand .. Mondi posting this shit on a visited home page might actually lead idra to think.. at least a bit about his behaviour..

Not a big deal though. And we should stop discussing this here. Its about the replay and not what happened between the players.

hatred outlives the hateful
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 26 2008 14:25 GMT
#30
AND : USE FUCKING SPOILERS FFS !?
hatred outlives the hateful
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 26 2008 19:13 GMT
#31
On March 26 2008 23:25 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
AND : USE FUCKING SPOILERS FFS !?


You read all the way to the second page of the REPLAY COMMENTS and didn't expect to find spoilers in the COMMENTS on the REPLAY?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
March 26 2008 19:24 GMT
#32
phil what do you expect so see on the comments here?some other rep analysis?
EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
March 27 2008 03:40 GMT
#33
RAWRAWRAWR
I'm like, the coolest
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
March 27 2008 11:11 GMT
#34
IdrA bm'ing cutest cuter cutest cuter zerg Rafa... most heart breaking thing ever, lmao.

In any case, the only "top foreigner" to never BM anyone is White-Ra, and that's only because his brain was fried from Chernobyl. HEhehE.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 27 2008 11:44 GMT
#35
Skew..

1) Idra isnt bm. He is making a fool of himself. Theres a big difference. NTT was art in terms of bm. Idras just looking stupid

2) You should get banned for that stupid joke.. T_T
hatred outlives the hateful
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
March 27 2008 13:09 GMT
#36
On March 27 2008 20:44 MaGic~PhiL wrote:You should get banned for that stupid joke.. T_T


Yea, I should get banned for a joke that you weren't in on. Sounds like reality, just like the rest of the pointless shit you post.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
March 27 2008 15:04 GMT
#37
i think we should beat idra with bats
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 27 2008 19:39 GMT
#38
We should put on Ultralisk and Defiler costumes and chase him through the streets.
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Dl33ter
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada197 Posts
March 27 2008 20:42 GMT
#39
Idra may be (and probably is) a deplorable human being, but he's right about Ultras.
Insert pseudo-witty comment here
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
March 28 2008 07:57 GMT
#40
idra aka legendterran?
Bergkamp ftw!
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
March 29 2008 07:49 GMT
#41
On March 26 2008 02:51 ilj.psa wrote:
from what i heard on other forums:
(Involves spoiler about the games)
+ Show Spoiler +

Funny stuff:
Random guy: "paranoid 1-1 Idra ?"
Idra: "2-0 but technically 1-1 since he made ultralisk one game"

-----------------------------------------
idra lost 2-1

Idra's comment after game: "gay little newbie just keep dropping and macroing off with no econ! Fucking stupid idiotic game"

wow.... what a moron, never was for him going to korea.

On March 26 2008 05:42 jhNz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 05:33 Twisted wrote:
Idra deserves all the bashing there lol.


i agree... i really don't want to comment his behavior here in the replay section. but there's one thing i want to say. he's the one who'll have the oppertunity to go to korea and represent the foreign scene there. but with a manner like that he doesn't deserve that in my opinion. i don't know him, so i'm not able to judge him. i just hope he wont behave like that in korea after losing 2000 games in a row against his korean training partners.


nevertheless, it was an amusing game. but without swarm there's not much you can do against a terran


agreed.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6119 Posts
March 30 2008 07:31 GMT
#42
wow the game on tau cross was really good
#1 Terran hater
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
March 31 2008 08:03 GMT
#43
metal vs. zerg is always fun. entertaining replay, idra with decent macro.
e-drama spices everything up a bit but not needed in this rep ;p
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
April 07 2008 19:01 GMT
#44
Little later than the rest of the comments but thanks for posting the replay incontrol.
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