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Hitokiri
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Spain306 Posts
June 05 2006 05:32 GMT
#1
Whos avernum anyhoo?
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
June 05 2006 05:48 GMT
#2
vessels = haxx0riz0r
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
June 05 2006 06:32 GMT
#3
On June 05 2006 14:32 Hitokiri wrote:
Whos avernum anyhoo?


Really good TvZ terran. Joined ToT a while ago.
I'm guessing also that the races listed are correct? I'll watch it now, but I assume that's partly what made it so fun.
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ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
June 05 2006 06:43 GMT
#4
yes i played terran avernum played zerg. it's a 50 minute game with quite a lot of action. the control from both of us was kinda bad but i still think it was a pretty fun game
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tadste
Profile Joined March 2006
Peru477 Posts
June 05 2006 09:03 GMT
#5
is avernum been inactive?
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
June 05 2006 10:40 GMT
#6
roflz I thought the zerg was midian and avernum was terran and I was like wow, midian u noob wtfz u doing then I saw the end and I was like ahhh now i get it +_+. Many vessel so imba fun game though ~~
Kaotu
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States986 Posts
June 05 2006 12:42 GMT
#7
midian i love you but this sucked

only funny to see like 30 vessels and so many dead ultras
RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
June 05 2006 12:48 GMT
#8
hallamterran!!~~
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DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
June 05 2006 14:13 GMT
#9
Fun game ^_^
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tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
June 05 2006 16:55 GMT
#10
I was screaming for plague.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
June 05 2006 19:31 GMT
#11
jamie's terran is homo
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Malmis
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Sweden1569 Posts
June 05 2006 20:48 GMT
#12
Midian = cheat terran :/
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Finland5201 Posts
June 05 2006 21:45 GMT
#13
A while ago, more like over a year ago
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Bulgaria4059 Posts
June 06 2006 02:02 GMT
#14
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
June 06 2006 03:00 GMT
#15
hella cool. Why is it that so many zergs can also play tvz pretty well even if they normally zvz? Ret, ogogo, kaaz etc~~
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ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
June 06 2006 03:06 GMT
#16
well i think decent terran players are also ok at zvt too. same for pvt players, they're also decent at tvp too. you can apply the knowledge you know from a zerg perspective and use that knowledge to your advantage when you play against zerg. it's often useful to play some of all 3 races to improve your persective of the game.
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BoY
Profile Joined November 2003
France378 Posts
June 06 2006 03:15 GMT
#17
Why only decide to plague after 40 min of play when the t already managed to mass more thant 20 vessels +_+ ?

Still, fun to watch, thx
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ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
June 06 2006 03:47 GMT
#18
i was the t, why ask me? :O
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Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-06 04:49:26
June 06 2006 04:46 GMT
#19
On June 06 2006 12:15 BoY wrote:
Why only decide to plague after 40 min of play when the t already managed to mass more thant 20 vessels +_+ ?

Still, fun to watch, thx

Always better than never. And the zerg needed more scourging I guess, not plague early on.

I find the rep "ok" anyway, Midian had a solid expand style.
Not really unexpected coming from a zerg player.
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BoY
Profile Joined November 2003
France378 Posts
June 06 2006 06:05 GMT
#20
On June 06 2006 13:46 Shiv wrote:
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On June 06 2006 12:15 BoY wrote:
Why only decide to plague after 40 min of play when the t already managed to mass more thant 20 vessels +_+ ?

Still, fun to watch, thx

Always better than never. And the zerg needed more scourging I guess, not plague early on.

I find the rep "ok" anyway, Midian had a solid expand style.
Not really unexpected coming from a zerg player.


well Z needed the plague not so long after he got his defilers up. So no, i disagree, it took him too long and that s a reason why he lost the game. What struck me was that even facing 20 vessels, he kept on swarming and sending 4 poor scourges instead of plaguing the irradiating terrors.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 06 2006 06:34 GMT
#21
On June 06 2006 12:06 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
well i think decent terran players are also ok at zvt too. same for pvt players, they're also decent at tvp too. you can apply the knowledge you know from a zerg perspective and use that knowledge to your advantage when you play against zerg. it's often useful to play some of all 3 races to improve your persective of the game.

that and the best way to play tvz is to piss the zerg off to no end, and zvt players know how to do that.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 06 2006 10:52 GMT
#22
Usually yeah. It's a rare good player who can't adapt fairly quickly to playing the counter-matchup of a matchup he plays. Learning counter-matchups also helps to learn the matchups you focus on.
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HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
June 06 2006 11:27 GMT
#23
GG. First of all a reminder that stim lasts 10 seconds and medics don't have infinite energy. There were many times when men were over stimmed and medics weren't even there or they ran out of energy quickly and couldn't heal.

Also why do zergs love to waste all their mins on pure ultras after they out expo terran? Good job to the zerg for figuring out a good strat ( hydras/defiler/lurker ), but this was after giving up his econ advantage by throwing ultras after ultras at 50 vessels. Maybe he forgot ultras don't have anti air where as hydras do. When people get tons of money they always want to spend it as fast as possible which usually doens't work. That's another reason starcraft is a great game. Big bang strategies usually don't work.

Nice use of bunkers and nice expoing by terran in late game.
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
June 06 2006 15:00 GMT
#24
On June 06 2006 19:52 Mortality wrote:
Usually yeah. It's a rare good player who can't adapt fairly quickly to playing the counter-matchup of a matchup he plays. Learning counter-matchups also helps to learn the matchups you focus on.


It's weird, because I can tvz and zvt, both fairly well, comparatively speaking. But zvp pvz just works nothing like that for me, whereas a friend of mine who's zerg who's about my level can pvz really well, but he absolutely cannot tvz. I guess everyone's just different. Let's see a midian pvz gogo!
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
June 06 2006 15:47 GMT
#25
On June 07 2006 00:00 Drowsy wrote:
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On June 06 2006 19:52 Mortality wrote:
Usually yeah. It's a rare good player who can't adapt fairly quickly to playing the counter-matchup of a matchup he plays. Learning counter-matchups also helps to learn the matchups you focus on.


It's weird, because I can tvz and zvt, both fairly well, comparatively speaking. But zvp pvz just works nothing like that for me, whereas a friend of mine who's zerg who's about my level can pvz really well, but he absolutely cannot tvz. I guess everyone's just different. Let's see a midian pvz gogo!


PvZ requires skill in just about every category of the game, but mostly, creativity, an element that is often left out in ZvP :X TvZ requires crtiical timing, and that is often gained from playing Zvt, and analysis becomes 2nd hand nature.
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
June 06 2006 23:35 GMT
#26
keke~ my pvz is not that bad actually : ) maybe better than my tvz~ i did 1:1 vs daaman's z with my p! (beat him 1:0 tvz too though:D) and 1:2 vs twisted's z on enter the dragon long ago ^_^
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
June 07 2006 01:13 GMT
#27
but that map is gay
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ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
June 07 2006 01:45 GMT
#28
haha :D
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Rubio
Profile Joined April 2006
United States3 Posts
June 07 2006 03:09 GMT
#29
I agree that besides plague, z really coulda used earlier hydra instead of ultra. He was short on gas at the time too, woulda made a LOT more sense to mass hydras and then have them hit the vessels under swarm!
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zakk
Profile Joined June 2006
Poland21 Posts
June 08 2006 06:37 GMT
#30
omg, nice improvised game xddd
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
June 08 2006 14:24 GMT
#31
from my experience, zvp players completely SUCK at PvZ(hi kaaz ^.^) , and PvZ players play ZvP pretty well
TreY
Profile Joined March 2004
United States997 Posts
June 08 2006 14:37 GMT
#32
On June 05 2006 19:40 QuietIdiot wrote:
roflz I thought the zerg was midian and avernum was terran and I was like wow, midian u noob wtfz u doing then I saw the end and I was like ahhh now i get it +_+. Many vessel so imba fun game though ~~


Yes same..
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wkclgfk
Profile Joined June 2006
United States3 Posts
June 09 2006 10:27 GMT
#33
Midian got like 1011023045123567 barracks O.O. Very awesome game.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-11 10:18:45
June 11 2006 10:16 GMT
#34
These games sort of annoy me. Nothing against people having fun, but it's like those rek elky games. I don't think they're staged, but it always seems there's an implicit agreement to play around and let the other guy live. No killer instict, you know?

Edit: Still, they're a guilty pleasure like those ygclan 200 arbiters vs. 60 goliath ^_^
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
June 12 2006 22:22 GMT
#35
not a bad game, Vessels are tough, plague would have helped alot, but it may not have turned the game.
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WastedYouth
Profile Joined March 2006
United States563 Posts
June 25 2006 02:04 GMT
#36
I've heard of macro terrans but this is rediculous. If I've ever seen somebody pump scvs like that before I don't remember it. Midian devoured the map's resources and kept his minerals relatively low.

I love seeing players with excellent macro + multi task + micro play their off races because they play a lot less traditionally. Very interesting style on Midian's part. Gj Midian ^_^ I'd like to see more
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
August 09 2006 00:20 GMT
#37
nice game
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