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Heh, none of my friends would watch it with me. Maybe one, but that's about it. They just really aren't into games that much, outside of fps and madden maybe.
And I definitely think that if you do season 2, you will get a shitload more viewers. Like HB said, sponsors came on late (they're a huge plus, name recognition) and the final 16 wasnt determined til late.
Some random idea~
• During the three week ladder qualifiers, maybe get together two of the higher ranked dudes for a bo3 showmatch on the weekend? Commentated by chill/artosis of course.
• Have people sumbit rep's of the week, or plays of the week, with a sports center-esque countdown?
• See if you can somehow pitch a little coverage to a general gaming website, like IGN or something? Like even just a *little* mention somewhere—not like a paid ad or anything—is probably jostle someone's memory. Someone who used to play is going to see it and go 'Shit! they still play BW?' and come check it out.
• Make an absolutely huge banner, showing how to get to the TSL site and all that. Like fucking huge, so you see it first thing and can't miss it. Let's face it, people are dumb.
Iunno. Just trying to help out a bit.
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On May 19 2008 19:30 True_Spike wrote:
Many people don't watch the live stream, because it starts too late. Stream finishes at 2/3 am for most europeans and many people have to go to school / work the next day. It's even worse for asians.
now you know how it feels when tons of Euro tournaments and stuff are like 13-14 CET (horrible for Americans).
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South Africa4316 Posts
The problem is, if we make it any earlier for the Euro people, the US people won't be back from work yet. We will definitely consider things like this in more detail for next season though. Mostly I think we need more word of mouth going, and perhaps next season we can get China as well. All in all, the admin of the site can only make news articles on so many sites, and we need you regular visitors that are in positions of power to help spread the news.
Also, I feel like the people that have been enjoying the stream haven't been vocal enough on other sites. If you go to some of the other sites, the only people that you see making comments are those that have some complaint (which are a big minority), while no-one is really comenting on the quality of the cast or the games. If we can have some positive word of mouth going, many more people might make the effort to come and watch.
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On May 19 2008 10:04 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2008 10:01 azndsh wrote:
The problem is that only people who regularly watch SC in the first place would be interested. Otherwise you just have no idea what's going on. Not true at all. If we were to get some people who only generally follow video games to watch, StarCraft is a game that is easy enough to understand that even first time viewers, when they see zerglings and marines and zealots and storm and such, can follow the action on screen. Of course they won't understand as well as someone who regularly watches, but they'd definitely be able to comprehend a good amount and not just "have no idea."
I agree with both of you to an extent. What I have to say is that there are people like me, who are passionate about SC and believe it's an art, and would watch live streams whether it be starleagues, or proleague, or TSL any day of the week. I would literally have it included in my schedule. I would make sure I knew when the streams were and make sure I had free time to sit at home and watch it.
Then there are the people (the majority I believe) like my friends. They love e-sports, they play video games, but either don't actually like SC enough (yet) or know enough about the game to be motivated to plan out ahead and watch these streams live by themselves.
A solution could be that I invite my interested friends over for a couple sessions of live stream and general gaming to get them at least closer to my level of interest and then the views would go up. But that might not happen very soon, so I hope you guys keep up the TSL and I'm sure more people will tune in live.
Then of course there's the time issue but I don't know nearly enough to touch that.
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On May 19 2008 02:31 SonuvBob wrote:
Some stats Rich gave us:
5/11: 1700-1800 avg
5/12: 2200-2300 avg
Total of over 8000 different IPs to date.
that means we could fill a stadium :D
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One important question is: Are these numbers high enough for Razer?
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United States20661 Posts
At this rate, they're paying slightly over a dollar per unique IP; that seems fairly cost-effective.
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I usually try watching the live stream, but most of the time I just fall asleep after a few games :/
Anyhow, the VODs are great, and I actually enjoy seeding them 
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more viewers? "just" put together a superfinal with the winner of Razer TSL against some korean pro - would be awesome for all foreigners and probably to a lot of koreans as well
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I haven't been able to watch as much as I've liked for the past few rounds. I've been busy. However, I told everyone I see on MSN that plays any kind of game and I have about 5 friends who watch it every time.
Just go on MSN and message everyone "Hey, have you ever played SC before? Check out this tourny that's commented on in english with the best foreigners playing". You'd be surprised at how many random people have played SC and will enjoy watching good games. Try and do it 10-15 minutes before the game giving people that have watched it before warning and make sure they see the fantastic intro.
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I have an idea for advertising to the gaming community.
On B.net, there are those posters at the top of the channels that always have some bs about WoW
t-shirts or something like that. Why not ask blizzard to put up a tsl poster instead of the stupid t-shirt ads? Maybe Razer could do some convincing 
Also iccup has the banner.
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On May 20 2008 02:37 Daigomi wrote:
The problem is, if we make it any earlier for the Euro people, the US people won't be back from work yet. We will definitely consider things like this in more detail for next season though. Mostly I think we need more word of mouth going, and perhaps next season we can get China as well. All in all, the admin of the site can only make news articles on so many sites, and we need you regular visitors that are in positions of power to help spread the news.
I'm in the US, Mountain Time Zone, and the games are starting at 2:30 in the afternoon. I don't work on weekends, but if I did I'd be missing the games in that case. (only people in the Eastern Time Zone would be getting off work around the time games start) So really, it could be pushed a little earlier without that many problems for US viewers, at least imo.
That said, I LOVE being able to watch SC broadcasts in the afternoon The Korean leagues broadcast at something like 4:00 in the morning here... I can't do that anymore with my work schedule.
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On May 20 2008 03:20 Last Romantic wrote:
At this rate, they're paying slightly over a dollar per unique IP; that seems fairly cost-effective.
Regarding the slightly over a dollar would only work if you disregard the videostreaming. Video streaming is very demanding and having to buy additional servers to accommodate the amount of people watching live, plus the amount of other work put into it, the whole production could cost up to half of the prize money.
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i got like 3 of my friends to watch gosia vs nony
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That's pretty damn awesome seeing how Counter-strike (at least in sweden) has around 1.5k viewers in average in their leagues. And Counter-Strike is waaaaay bigger as an e-sport outside korea, so it's pretty damn good to have the same avg/or even higher.
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On May 20 2008 06:02 Dknight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2008 03:20 Last Romantic wrote:
At this rate, they're paying slightly over a dollar per unique IP; that seems fairly cost-effective. Regarding the slightly over a dollar would only work if you disregard the videostreaming. Video streaming is very demanding and having to buy additional servers to accommodate the amount of people watching live, plus the amount of other work put into it, the whole production could cost up to half of the prize money.
Aren't TL people working for basically free?
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Belgium6771 Posts
Err yeah production cost is basically zero. Staff & graphics team are doing this out of love for SC.
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i didn't contribute to the numbers this weekend, i feel bad ;(
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On May 20 2008 07:00 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Err yeah production cost is basically zero. Staff & graphics team are doing this out of love for SC.
lol xeo we start charging them per graphic next time yea 
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