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Braavos36374 Posts
Idra sat down with TL.net to chat a bit about how it's going over in Korea.
Describe the practice games and how you are doing in each matchup.
Idra: TvP is my best matchup vs the progamers by far, I'm having to completely rework my TvZ because Korean style zvt is so much different(better) than non koreans. I'm learning TvT pretty quickly given how bad I was in it before coming here. I'm doing about as well as can be expected overall, I've won some games but am still definitely the worst player in the house. I can see myself beginning to improve though.
Are they happy with your skills and attitude so far?
Idra: Yes, the best part of the whole thing so far has been the other players and coach/manager. They're all incredibly nice and have gone out of their way to make the transition easy for me and to make me feel at home. I'm not really sure what their opinion of me is because im not sure they would tell me if they thought I really sucked, but they seem pretty satisfied so far.
Daniel lee speaks english, so he probably helped with the transition greatly. How's your Korean coming along?
Idra: I'm not learning it as quickly as I would have liked, our free time is broken up into half-hour/hour segments so theres not alot of time to sit down and study and I'm able to communicate with the players pretty well as is so its not a pressing need. But I am picking up vocabulary just through everyday conversation.
They are allowing you time to play TSL? That is nice of them.
Idra: They're not making an exception for it, I just play a bit in my free time to relax. As for the final tournament if need be I can skip some practice time because they think the exposure and money is worth-while.
What are the biggest differences between Korean and foreigner playstyles in the pracitce games you've played so far?
Idra: In general just cleaner mechanics, you almost never catch their macro slip and major micro mistakes are rare. But like I said the biggest difference is the zergs, the muta micro and hive tech useage is so much better than foreign zergs its hard to believe. To give some perspective I think tvz was widely considered my best matchup outside Korea, I'm pretty sure its my worst statistically in practice games here.
How do they approach practice games differently?
Idra: Repetition mainly, when they have a specific match to practice for they play nothing but that one map for days on end, down to memorizing building placements for the different spots and things like that. As far as I know foreigners don't even go that in depth for WCG, and Koreans do it for every match.
Do you like the food?
Idra: I'm still adjusting to the new diet, alot of flavors and stuff I'm not used to. I had trouble eating alot of it at first but its slowly getting better. A lot of its good, just new.
Everyone is eagerly anticipating you showing up on the eStro bench. What are the chances of that happening anytime soon?
Idra: As soon as I earn it. I'm still an amateur at the moment, once I pass courage league I'll be eligible to play for proleague, and then its just a matter of doing well enough to get a spot on the roster.
Who does the best on inter-team practices? UpMagic?
Idra: I don't know really. We don't keep track of practice game records and the best players dont tend to practice against each other a whole lot. They all have their own proleague matchs to prepare for and so tend to play against some of the lesser pros. If I had to guess, probably upmagic or goodfriend.
Who are you friends with so far?
Idra: Well everyones been really friendly, but I spend most of my time with the B team players, since we practice in the same room. Nsp_Fancy Melon[3.33] By.Puma Younga[Kal] Suny[fOu] Sea.Same. Fancy speaks English very well and I sit next to Suny, so I've gotten to know those two in particular pretty well.
Is everyone excited after their 2-0 start to Proleague?
Idra: Ya, we're currently tied for first and if we beat MBC next match we'll be in first by ourselves. Everyones really happy, especially considering last season's performance.
Did you go out drinking with them yet?
Idra: Nah the team is only allowed to drink on our free day and I'm not allowed to go to a club until Daniel says so anyway.
TL.net and the foreign community have been eagerly awaiting updates from you!
Idra: Sorry to those who request a blog about the whole thing from me, theres just not really anything to write about. We practice everyday, all day.
Its fun though so far?
Idra: very fun.
We are excited to see a new improved Idra for TSL. We have so few Terrans!
Idra: Thanks. Ya I'll qualify, I don't have time to cherry pick or work my way into the top 16, but if I get close to 48th ill start playing more.
Have you kept in touch with media guys at all?
Idra: We talk on msn/iccup most nights during my free time.
Do the estro players play iccup for practice now that the maps are in?
Idra: I think the maps just changed and most of them aren't aware of it yet, but a surprising number of them have iccup accounts so ya I expect they'll start playing it more.
Good luck and I hope you pass courage!
Idra: thanks
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Great interview. Thanks HB. I'm sure absolutely everyone here was dying to know how Idra was doing!
When is the courage league btw? :S
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Here's to IdrA passing courage. Really looking forward to it.
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51425 Posts
Nice interview, I'm surprised he has to earn his progaming licence unlike other most pro's who were given one through the exception thingy (like Draco).
As with the blogs, who cares if its just practice, just blog about daily life (waking up, food habits etc).
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Go Idra! Tear up the courage league. 
I love all these interviews. Can we get one from Leg? Please... 
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TL is omnipresent. GL idra!
its nice to hear he's not having too much trouble with language and stuff. That shit can really kill you mentally.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
Nice interview. GL idra and don't ever go to night club. Never ever ever. NEVER. Fuck don't even go to a bar.
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So Daniel Lee was lying in his interview then.. they do sit and practice all day.
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Ty Hotbid and Idra for this intreview. It was interesting to me to read about his days and feelings over there. I hope he is feeling even more comfortable as time passes and yeah like hotbid said as one of the few terrans would be nice to see him still active in the tsl and in some broadcasted matches later on.
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Braavos36374 Posts
I think it's very clear Idra went there to improve and become a strong player, not just to "get an experience" or whatever. From his statements recognizing that right now he's the worst in the house, and that he's having fun in all the practice matches, it seems he's got no ego and is simply happy to practice and get better. This attitude is a positive sign and I wish him the best. Pass courage!
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Awesome interview. I'd love to see him play in Proleague or any televised match
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Really nice interview, i have been waiting to hear how he's doing over there.
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On April 20 2008 19:48 Senx wrote:So Daniel Lee was lying in his interview then.. they do sit and practice all day.
nah we go out and play soccer or run up and down a mountain after lunch almost every day
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Braavos36374 Posts
who wins the races and who is good at soccer??
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
I'd like to know that too^^ :p
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Excellent interview. I love to hear about this kind of stuff. Good luck IdrA I really hope you do well!
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next courage hasnt been announced yet, it should be sometime next month.
running up and down the hill isnt a race we all just follow daniel
goodfriend is pretty good at soccer, mingu sangho tosslife artofterran and a few others seem good too, im not a very good judge of skill as i suck pretty bad at it myself.
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Braavos36374 Posts
if there was a big rumble between the team who would win and why
also, who is the biggest badass
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Braavos36374 Posts
also also, i apologize ahead of time because in ~24 minutes this interview will not get many views
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SangHo could kick everyones ass in the house except for Daniel.
Magma would probably next in line for the toughest, then GoodFriend, but SangHo for sure is #1.
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What are you objectives for the next 3-4 months and how long do you plan to stay in korea? Will you stay after progaming?
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oh yeah :D i want to here more from him and his time there
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great interview and gl idra wanna see you go far xD keep us updated!
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Gl hydra even if you are not my favourite player i have a lot of respect for you.
Have you already met Rekrul ( lol ) or Tasteless in Korea ?
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On April 20 2008 21:44 PuertoRican wrote:
SangHo could kick everyones ass in the house except for Daniel.
I guess I was right. :D
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You need some europeans in you're team, because we fucking rock at soccer!
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GOGO WHITE PRO GAMER!!!! GOGOGO
BE DA DREEEMMM
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wow..nice
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Go idra!
Give me goodfriend autograph! !
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United States11390 Posts
So
Goodfriend or Bad...friend?
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Hopefully Idra makes it in korea, I want to see a foreign playing on tv
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
IDRA FTWWWWWWWWWWw
GOod luck and hope u pass courage and become a true pr0gam0rz
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On April 20 2008 23:38 Harem wrote:
So
Goodfriend or Bad...friend?
goodfriend
he was kinda quiet at first but i think its just cuz hes not comfortable speaking english, he becomes nice and chatty online.
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So he will become great starcraft player and also good in football!
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nice gl IdrA!
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Vietnam445 Posts
I rarely like Terran but please send my best regards to him. wishing that he could pass and do well in Korea 
do what draco couldn't do before
GG GL HF, dude ^^!
btw, nice interview
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Canada7170 Posts
Oh sick, I didn't realize idra's country changed.
EDIT: His status, I obv knew he was in korea.
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I was wondering, when there's an important match coming up, do they try to keep stuff a secret? I mean, do they try to keep secret what BO, strategies, etc. a player has been practicing, so as to not let the other team find out? Or do they just not worry about that.
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Best of luck. I hope you stick it out for the long run.
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Sweet interview dude, thanks for posting it.
I hope he could blog about his practice matches/maybe some insight into stuff he learnt that he didnt know before and things like that.. That would be good to read!
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GooDLucK IDRA steamroll past courage league gogogogo
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GLHFYO!
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You've got this Idra. Don't give up, we're all waiting to see you on the bench and giving sick ass ceremonies.
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Great interview. Good luck Idra! Keep practicing and don't get frustrated about anything.
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I'd be down with being worst in the house, but having a lot of fun.
Great interview.
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Great interview.
Always cheering for you IdrA!
I think it'll be like an OSL final for the TL.net community when you get your first game in proleague.
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gogogo foreign power!
gl on courage and nice interview
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Nice interview and good luck IdrA
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United States1654 Posts
I'd love to see Idra qualify for MSL or OSL.
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Calgary25978 Posts
Sick man. Best of luck, and keep us up to date!
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Now that Idra is in Korea, does that mean he is DQ'ed from TSL? (No koreans allowed?)
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Time for another forigner to show his face lol i wonder how long to wait to see a televised idra match
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On April 21 2008 03:56 That_guy wrote:
Now that Idra is in Korea, does that mean he is DQ'ed from TSL? (No koreans allowed?)
I think idra will be one of these "special cases" that was in the big rulebook
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Good luck!
Bump. (other certain topic nudging this one down a bit..  )
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I hope Idra has time to make the top 48 at least. With those practice partners, it's weird not to win TSL. Example: tomorrow has a semi-final match against top terran so he practice with Upmagic and Goodfriend.
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Braavos36374 Posts
Idra exists so Upmagic can perfect his building placement for a proleague match, not the other way around =P
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Idra, if and when you start playing and winning TV matches, promise us you'll do rediculous FBH style ceremonies
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Idra is gonna evolve into a beast. Strange to think that he was just on team liquid attack a couple of months ago. Hope to hear more from him.
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On April 21 2008 04:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
Idra exists so Upmagic can perfect his building placement for a proleague match, not the other way around =P
Lol. Still, if Idra won, he can take his whole team to lunch for their help unless he is gonna be an ungrateful bastard by hoarding all the winnings =P. It's easier than winning say... MSL or OSL.
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omg idra is a fuckin pro
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Idra will easily get on a level none of us are on simply because he is forced to play A+ and higher calibur players all day long, even a monkey would become better than all of us living in eSTRO house.
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On April 21 2008 07:54 Worked! wrote:
Idra will easily get on a level none of us are on simply because he is forced to play A+ and higher calibur players all day long, even a monkey would become better than all of us living in eSTRO house.
And yet no foreign player has ever managed to stay in the house for an extended period of time...
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On April 20 2008 19:47 Rekrul wrote:
Nice interview. GL idra and don't ever go to night club. Never ever ever. NEVER. Fuck don't even go to a bar. lol why exactly?
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On April 21 2008 07:21 AnOth3rDAy wrote:omg idra is a fuckin pro
actually he went from being a foreign pro to now he's an amateur in Korea I think thats kinda funny but yeah he should be eventually
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
I hope that he can pass courage. He should win TSL. Beating Mondragon ZvT should be a real test of his mass ZvTing.
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On April 21 2008 10:42 JoMal wrote:
I hope that he can pass courage. He should win TSL. Beating Mondragon ZvT should be a real test of his mass ZvTing.
beating a good zvt player would be a test of mass tvzing
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On April 21 2008 11:35 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 10:42 JoMal wrote:
I hope that he can pass courage. He should win TSL. Beating Mondragon ZvT should be a real test of his mass ZvTing. beating a good zvt player would be a test of mass tvzing
Lol BURNNN
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
On April 21 2008 11:35 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 10:42 JoMal wrote:
I hope that he can pass courage. He should win TSL. Beating Mondragon ZvT should be a real test of his mass ZvTing. beating a good zvt player would be a test of mass tvzing
LOOL
Have you played vs. GF or UpMagic as yet though ?
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On April 21 2008 06:33 useLess wrote:
Idra is gonna evolve into a beast. Strange to think that he was just on team liquid attack a couple of months ago. Hope to hear more from him.
How sick would it be if Idra played in another (possible) season of TL Attack? I suppose Idra would decimate everyone and get revenge on the irc team.
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On April 21 2008 11:40 ._. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 11:35 IdrA wrote:On April 21 2008 10:42 JoMal wrote:
I hope that he can pass courage. He should win TSL. Beating Mondragon ZvT should be a real test of his mass ZvTing. beating a good zvt player would be a test of mass tvzing Lol BURNNN
Isn't Mondis Zvt his worst?
NAH STILL BURNNNNN
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On April 21 2008 12:08 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 06:33 useLess wrote:
Idra is gonna evolve into a beast. Strange to think that he was just on team liquid attack a couple of months ago. Hope to hear more from him. How sick would it be if Idra played in another (possible) season of TL Attack? I suppose Idra would decimate everyone and get revenge on the irc team.
he'd just get up or gf to play for him
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oh shit! GoodFriend or UpMagic on TL Attack would be sick!
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It would be so awesome if he could convince one of them to do it during a break time. It couldnt be as long as the regular ones, but even less than an hour would be so cool.
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United States12607 Posts
Good luck IdrA! I think all gamers from the States would be honored to see you on the bench at a PL game.
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Awesome. You really get a sense for why Korean gaming is so different from foreign gaming..
GL, man, and most of all HF
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On April 21 2008 12:14 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 12:08 Durak wrote:On April 21 2008 06:33 useLess wrote:
Idra is gonna evolve into a beast. Strange to think that he was just on team liquid attack a couple of months ago. Hope to hear more from him. How sick would it be if Idra played in another (possible) season of TL Attack? I suppose Idra would decimate everyone and get revenge on the irc team. he'd just get up or gf to play for him
if the irc team gets another chance they wont drop another game _EVER_
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is there like, a fact sheet, a formal announcement, anything of that sort about idra?
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Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_-
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On April 21 2008 03:56 That_guy wrote:
Now that Idra is in Korea, does that mean he is DQ'ed from TSL? (No koreans allowed?)
YEAH OMG goodfriend could be smurfing for idra lolz
j/k
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nice stuff. is there any chance that we can get some replays of practice games after a delay of a couple of months?
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Man I'm really excited to see what IdrA will bring to TSL after even just a couple weeks of eStro training.
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On April 21 2008 19:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_-
good thing you know what you're talking about
its 64 man groups bo3 single elim winner gets a license.
they got rid of the 256 man bo1 tourny years ago.
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On April 21 2008 21:28 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 19:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_- good thing you know what you're talking about its 64 man groups bo3 single elim winner gets a license. they got rid of the 256 man bo1 tourny years ago.
Still you won't qualify. It should not be offending you, but you simply don't have the routine to slash through such a tourney. If you manage to get a licence you have my respect.
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No one knows how much and how quickly he will improve. So let's just see what his result is the first time.
He doesn't even have to qualify very quickly.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 21 2008 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 21:28 IdrA wrote:On April 21 2008 19:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_- good thing you know what you're talking about its 64 man groups bo3 single elim winner gets a license. they got rid of the 256 man bo1 tourny years ago. Still you won't qualify. It should not be offending you, but you simply don't have the routine to slash through such a tourney. If you manage to get a licence you have my respect.
Oh he'll have your respect will he? That'll certainly push his motivation over the top to succeed!
Idra do it for Naruto, the guy that makes flat statements about your inevitable failure! Do it for Naruto!!!!
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On April 21 2008 21:53 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:On April 21 2008 21:28 IdrA wrote:On April 21 2008 19:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_- good thing you know what you're talking about its 64 man groups bo3 single elim winner gets a license. they got rid of the 256 man bo1 tourny years ago. Still you won't qualify. It should not be offending you, but you simply don't have the routine to slash through such a tourney. If you manage to get a licence you have my respect. Oh he'll have your respect will he? That'll certainly push his motivation over the top to succeed! Idra do it for Naruto, the guy that makes flat statements about your inevitable failure! Do it for Naruto!!!!
What the fuck? Why do you offend me because I tell my opinion? No foreigner has accomplished anything in Korea (besides Grrr ElkY ...) and no one will ever accomplish anything. The skill gap is just too high. We both know that lots of active and good progamers don't qualify for starleagues (JAEDONG CASY SAVIOR HI) and oh well.. I just doubt IdrA can pull something off.
And I don't care if my respect is something worthy of , at least my friends think so. So I don't care what you say hot_bid ..-_-
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Braavos36374 Posts
Nobody said Idra was going to qualify for the OSL, we were just wishing him luck in the courage tournament. Then you come in and say, in statement form, "no way you'll qualify" with misinformation about the format. When corrected about the format, you say, again, "no way you'll qualify" and that Idra should not be offended.
Then you say, "well, if you do qualify, you have my respect" even after repeatedly saying he has no chance, which is stupid, because every player has a chance in courage. Maybe his chance is small, maybe not, but making dumb statements like "you will never qualify, don't be offended" is pretty BM. Thus, obviously he wouldn't care about respect from someone who makes statements like that.
Then you overreact when I sarcastically point out that he probably wouldn't care about your opinion.
All we're doing is wishing him luck, there's no need to go and try to crush whatever aspirations he has with statements like "sorry no way you qualify, don't be offended." Who are you, Nostradamus?
What if I said to you, Naruto, no way you succeed in whatever occupation you pick for yourself. You will not succed. Sorry, don't be offended. You would still respect my opinion? This a fine thing to say? Get a clue.
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On April 21 2008 22:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
Nobody said Idra was going to qualify for the OSL, we were just wishing him luck in the courage tournament. Then you come in and say, in statement form, "no way you'll qualify" with misinformation about the format. When corrected about the format, you say, again, "no way you'll qualify" and that Idra should not be offended.
Then you say, "well, if you do qualify, you have my respect" even after repeatedly saying he has no chance, which is stupid, because every player has a chance in courage. Maybe his chance is small, maybe not, but making dumb statements like "you will never qualify, don't be offended" is pretty BM. Thus, obviously he wouldn't care about respect from someone who makes statements like that.
Then you overreact when I sarcastically point out that he probably wouldn't care about your opinion.
All we're doing is wishing him luck, there's no need to go and try to crush whatever aspirations he has with statements like "sorry no way you qualify, don't be offended." Who are you, Nostradamus?
What if I said to you, Naruto, no way you succeed in whatever occupation you pick for yourself. You will not succed. Sorry, don't be offended. You would still respect my opinion? This a fine thing to say? Get a clue.
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On April 21 2008 22:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
Nobody said Idra was going to qualify for the OSL, we were just wishing him luck in the courage tournament. Then you come in and say, in statement form, "no way you'll qualify" with misinformation about the format. When corrected about the format, you say, again, "no way you'll qualify" and that Idra should not be offended.
Then you say, "well, if you do qualify, you have my respect" even after repeatedly saying he has no chance, which is stupid, because every player has a chance in courage. Maybe his chance is small, maybe not, but making dumb statements like "you will never qualify, don't be offended" is pretty BM. Thus, obviously he wouldn't care about respect from someone who makes statements like that.
Then you overreact when I sarcastically point out that he probably wouldn't care about your opinion.
All we're doing is wishing him luck, there's no need to go and try to crush whatever aspirations he has with statements like "sorry no way you qualify, don't be offended." Who are you, Nostradamus?
What if I said to you, Naruto, no way you succeed in whatever occupation you pick for yourself. You will not succed. Sorry, don't be offended. You would still respect my opinion? This a fine thing to say? Get a clue.
I already wished him luck in many other threads. I just don't want him to be disappointed if he doesn't qualify, because its no shame whatsoever. Thats what I wanted to express. Maybe I'm kinda hard if it comes to telling such things-_-.. I'm a very realistic (drifting to pesimistic) person.
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On April 21 2008 22:06 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 21:53 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 21 2008 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:On April 21 2008 21:28 IdrA wrote:On April 21 2008 19:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_- good thing you know what you're talking about its 64 man groups bo3 single elim winner gets a license. they got rid of the 256 man bo1 tourny years ago. Still you won't qualify. It should not be offending you, but you simply don't have the routine to slash through such a tourney. If you manage to get a licence you have my respect. Oh he'll have your respect will he? That'll certainly push his motivation over the top to succeed! Idra do it for Naruto, the guy that makes flat statements about your inevitable failure! Do it for Naruto!!!! What the fuck? Why do you offend me because I tell my opinion? No foreigner has accomplished anything in Korea (besides Grrr ElkY ...) and no one will ever accomplish anything. The skill gap is just too high. We both know that lots of active and good progamers don't qualify for starleagues (JAEDONG CASY SAVIOR HI) and oh well.. I just doubt IdrA can pull something off. And I don't care if my respect is something worthy of , at least my friends think so. So I don't care what you say hot_bid ..-_-
That's how you start failing in life.
Everything begins with a thought, even failure.
That's why everybody is saying "Go Go, you will do it!". That's what encouragement is.
Unless you're trying to use some kind of reverse psychology? Which just.... fails?
Anyways, Idra, I somehow felt, that you're a guy, who is really fit to improve in such environment. You don't have that unnecessary pride for your wins and losses and that is exactly how you should be, to become a pro! I really have high expectations from you! Crush the noobs!
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He doesn't need your advice and guidance. He will play and improve. He said he is probably the worst at the estro house. I am sure he isn't the only one without a progaming licence. He will try the first time. Then a second and third time and then he should perform better.
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On April 21 2008 22:34 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 22:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
Nobody said Idra was going to qualify for the OSL, we were just wishing him luck in the courage tournament. Then you come in and say, in statement form, "no way you'll qualify" with misinformation about the format. When corrected about the format, you say, again, "no way you'll qualify" and that Idra should not be offended.
Then you say, "well, if you do qualify, you have my respect" even after repeatedly saying he has no chance, which is stupid, because every player has a chance in courage. Maybe his chance is small, maybe not, but making dumb statements like "you will never qualify, don't be offended" is pretty BM. Thus, obviously he wouldn't care about respect from someone who makes statements like that.
Then you overreact when I sarcastically point out that he probably wouldn't care about your opinion.
All we're doing is wishing him luck, there's no need to go and try to crush whatever aspirations he has with statements like "sorry no way you qualify, don't be offended." Who are you, Nostradamus?
What if I said to you, Naruto, no way you succeed in whatever occupation you pick for yourself. You will not succed. Sorry, don't be offended. You would still respect my opinion? This a fine thing to say? Get a clue. I already wished him luck in many other threads. I just don't want him to be disappointed if he doesn't qualify, because its no shame whatsoever. Thats what I wanted to express. Maybe I'm kinda hard if it comes to telling such things-_-.. I'm a very realistic (drifting to pesimistic) person.
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Gl idra.
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oh man idra... let Up smurf on ur account T____T
it would be so epic...
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Braavos36374 Posts
Please don't encourage someone to abuse our league, then get caught and banned from every event we hold in the future.
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@NonY:
i understand americans ;D
@idra:
gl in everything u do in korea
btw. is it true that u shaved ur hair? if so PLZ send a pic.
send a pic too if they just style ur hair for photos or soemthing LAWL
im serious plz post fotos
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Good Luck in the courage league Idra!
(And OMG do you get to play with GoodFriend? If so... THATS AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!)
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On April 21 2008 23:36 MasterReY wrote:@idra: gl in everything u do in korea btw. is it true that u shaved ur hair? if so PLZ send a pic. send a pic too if they just style ur hair for photos or soemthing LAWL im serious plz post fotos
Its right here: Idra with his hair cut.
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I dont like it when people talk any chance or opportunity of a other person bad right before anything happened. Idra is not a child who needs a guardian or custodian. You can be sure he thought about all possibilities before he decide something and when he believes in himself and that the chance is worth to try it is a good thing.
Even if other players like Draco couldnt fullfil their dreams in this case.. so what? Is he dead now? It was still a experience and maybe it would be more worse to him if he never tried it. When there is a challenge you can always lose or fail. But when you dont even try it you have lost this opportunity already.
Also i personally doubt such predictions are really made because of care to the other person but more if people take their opinion a bit to important and want to show that everybody. But whatever thats also only my point of view.
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Goodluck Idra. Glad to hear that its been fun.
I am really looking forward to see you in broadcasted matches.
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Naruto,
we all know its gonna be tough for him, but the power of encouragment is strong. So is the power of putting people down.
Good luck Idra!
On April 21 2008 22:41 HighTimes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 22:06 G.s)NarutO wrote:On April 21 2008 21:53 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 21 2008 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:On April 21 2008 21:28 IdrA wrote:On April 21 2008 19:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_- good thing you know what you're talking about its 64 man groups bo3 single elim winner gets a license. they got rid of the 256 man bo1 tourny years ago. Still you won't qualify. It should not be offending you, but you simply don't have the routine to slash through such a tourney. If you manage to get a licence you have my respect. Oh he'll have your respect will he? That'll certainly push his motivation over the top to succeed! Idra do it for Naruto, the guy that makes flat statements about your inevitable failure! Do it for Naruto!!!! What the fuck? Why do you offend me because I tell my opinion? No foreigner has accomplished anything in Korea (besides Grrr ElkY ...) and no one will ever accomplish anything. The skill gap is just too high. We both know that lots of active and good progamers don't qualify for starleagues (JAEDONG CASY SAVIOR HI) and oh well.. I just doubt IdrA can pull something off. And I don't care if my respect is something worthy of , at least my friends think so. So I don't care what you say hot_bid ..-_- That's how you start failing in life. Everything begins with a thought, even failure. That's why everybody is saying "Go Go, you will do it!". That's what encouragement is. Unless you're trying to use some kind of reverse psychology? Which just.... fails? Anyways, Idra, I somehow felt, that you're a guy, who is really fit to improve in such environment. You don't have that unnecessary pride for your wins and losses and that is exactly how you should be, to become a pro! I really have high expectations from you! Crush the noobs!
good post
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IdrA, I don't know you, but I am still extremely exited by this, GLHF!
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On April 21 2008 23:51 Yaqoob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 23:36 MasterReY wrote:@idra: gl in everything u do in korea btw. is it true that u shaved ur hair? if so PLZ send a pic. send a pic too if they just style ur hair for photos or soemthing LAWL im serious plz post fotos Its right here: Idra with his hair cut.
Holy shit
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On April 22 2008 03:10 XellOs_PlutO wrote:
Goodluck Idra. Glad to hear that its been fun.
I am really looking forward to see you in broadcasted matches.
wow... hi.
make a dramatic bisu highlight plz!
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On April 21 2008 22:06 G.s)NarutO wrote:No foreigner has accomplished anything in Korea (besides Grrr ElkY ...) and no one will ever accomplish anything. The skill gap is just too high.
Leggionaire and Assem both were successful, which includes passing the old and new courage tournaments, so again a false fact.
The skill gap to pass courage isn't too high at all either and I'm certain he'll eventually get it, especially considering he's supported by everyone and is comfortable/motivated in that situation.
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On April 21 2008 10:15 mindspike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 07:54 Worked! wrote:
Idra will easily get on a level none of us are on simply because he is forced to play A+ and higher calibur players all day long, even a monkey would become better than all of us living in eSTRO house. And yet no foreign player has ever managed to stay in the house for an extended period of time...
I think the most important thing for a foreigner to become a progamer isnt talent, but the ability to play 13 hours a day every day without immediately passing courage/getting on tv. Its discouraging, and its part of the reason why I think draco wasnt successful.
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exactly fusion. idra has more potential than most emissaries we have sent to korea because of his attitude, first and foremost.
good luck idra glad to have our first in-korea interview from you, hope you accomplish your goal of passing courage and i also look forward to seeing the effect your korean training will have on your play in foreign tournaments.
hope you can maintain the schedule out there
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On April 22 2008 10:04 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 22:06 G.s)NarutO wrote:No foreigner has accomplished anything in Korea (besides Grrr ElkY ...) and no one will ever accomplish anything. The skill gap is just too high. Leggionaire and Assem both were successful, which includes passing the old and new courage tournaments, so again a false fact. The skill gap to pass courage isn't too high at all either and I'm certain he'll eventually get it, especially considering he's supported by everyone and is comfortable/motivated in that situation.
Man obviously I don't count anyone that were in korea and did well which was a thousand years ago. As I already stated I didn't want to offend IdrA. He's good, there's not even a but!
I just pointed _HOW_ good koreans are.
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so you remembered Grrr and ElkY but you can't remember Legionnaire or Assem that arrived into the progaming scene later?
god you're an idiot, stop posting.
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get off his ass ffs, he said he didnt mean to offend Idra.
So what if he didnt remember Leg or Assem. He obv had a pessimistic moment there, let it go.
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On April 22 2008 18:48 niteReloaded wrote:
get off his ass ffs, he said he didnt mean to offend Idra.
So what if he didnt remember Leg or Assem. He obv had a pessimistic moment there, let it go.
he does this in every thread involving foreigners in korea
how many pessimistic moments should he be allowed? 20?
anyways hopefully this can just end now~
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exactly what i was going to say a-game, i don't understand what he's trying to achieve, i mean it's not very fucking often we see a non-Korean pro gamer nowadays, why the fuck wouldn't he cheer him on?
i recall you asking for Korean language help in a thread you created, give up trying to learn Korean, you suck at it, you have no chance.
Doesn't feel so good does it?
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go idra go
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There were times when some crazy nicknamed Canadian ;]] dominated the Korean BW scene!
Good Times, Good Times.
I can't see why a very determined foreigner shouldn't be as good as any Korean with as much training. Go Idra Go!
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On April 22 2008 19:57 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
exactly what i was going to say a-game, i don't understand what he's trying to achieve, i mean it's not very fucking often we see a non-Korean pro gamer nowadays, why the fuck wouldn't he cheer him on?
i recall you asking for Korean language help in a thread you created, give up trying to learn Korean, you suck at it, you have no chance.
Doesn't feel so good does it?
you can cheer him on, but you need to be realistic. he's not going to accomplish much, if anything.
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On April 23 2008 23:31 boss420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2008 19:57 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
exactly what i was going to say a-game, i don't understand what he's trying to achieve, i mean it's not very fucking often we see a non-Korean pro gamer nowadays, why the fuck wouldn't he cheer him on?
i recall you asking for Korean language help in a thread you created, give up trying to learn Korean, you suck at it, you have no chance.
Doesn't feel so good does it? you can cheer him on, but you need to be realistic. he's not going to accomplish much, if anything.
He could. He has just as much chance as any of the amatuer Koreans.
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On April 23 2008 23:31 boss420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2008 19:57 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
exactly what i was going to say a-game, i don't understand what he's trying to achieve, i mean it's not very fucking often we see a non-Korean pro gamer nowadays, why the fuck wouldn't he cheer him on?
i recall you asking for Korean language help in a thread you created, give up trying to learn Korean, you suck at it, you have no chance.
Doesn't feel so good does it? you can cheer him on, but you need to be realistic. he's not going to accomplish much, if anything.
Nobody said he'd be the next Iloveoov, we'd be pretty happy just to see him on the bench during a Proleague match.
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The general problem with starcraft fans is that they cheer only for the top of the tops, while they ignore a major part of the other players. Thank god for all the girls who cheer for "potato-face" or "retardo" for whatever reason. Because it not only gives the players strenght, it gives more meaning to the competition of the lower ranks. Otherwise we could just jump to the finals and not televise the way to it.
We all know how high the level is, we all watch the foreigner vs korean events. We've all seen fallen legends beating the shit out of our best foreigners. If naked accomplishments alone are the fuel to fanboyism then being a fan would be very boring.
There is nothing wrong with being realistic, but it's inappropriate and impudent to the player who right now gives it his best. Sometimes it's just a nice gesture to wish someone luck and go out of your way without constantly expressing your negativism you build up because of your own failures.
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GL IdrA you've got our support!
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On April 24 2008 01:35 Jayson X wrote:
The general problem with starcraft fans is that they cheer only for the top of the tops, while they ignore a major part of the other players. Thank god for all the girls who cheer for "potato-face" or "retardo" for whatever reason. Because it not only gives the players strenght, it gives more meaning to the competition of the lower ranks. Otherwise we could just jump to the finals and not televise the way to it.
We all know how high the level is, we all watch the foreigner vs korean events. We've all seen fallen legends beating the shit out of our best foreigners. If naked accomplishments alone are the fuel to fanboyism then being a fan would be very boring.
There is nothing wrong with being realistic, but it's inappropriate and impudent to the player who right now gives it his best. Sometimes it's just a nice gesture to wish someone luck and go out of your way without constantly expressing your negativism you build up because of your own failures.
Very true.
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so when does Idra get his own TLPD entry?
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On April 24 2008 01:35 Jayson X wrote:
The general problem with starcraft fans is that they cheer only for the top of the tops, while they ignore a major part of the other players. Thank god for all the girls who cheer for "potato-face" or "retardo" for whatever reason. Because it not only gives the players strenght, it gives more meaning to the competition of the lower ranks. Otherwise we could just jump to the finals and not televise the way to it.
We all know how high the level is, we all watch the foreigner vs korean events. We've all seen fallen legends beating the shit out of our best foreigners. If naked accomplishments alone are the fuel to fanboyism then being a fan would be very boring.
There is nothing wrong with being realistic, but it's inappropriate and impudent to the player who right now gives it his best. Sometimes it's just a nice gesture to wish someone luck and go out of your way without constantly expressing your negativism you build up because of your own failures.
WELL SAID. GL Idra!
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On April 24 2008 05:02 LosingID8 wrote:
so when does Idra get his own TLPD entry?
first tv game, or maybe minor i dunno
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Belgium9947 Posts
On April 24 2008 05:02 LosingID8 wrote:
so when does get his own TLPD entry?
when he has a progaming license, although  Superiorwolf didnt need one
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I moved him to eSTRO even though he doesn't have a license.
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GOGO IDRA! GL~ Im rooting for You in korea !! (^_^) /'')
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Sick. Can you give him some MSL badges and a crown?
I like how it shows the Korean flag in the top right and there isn't even an option to change it or anything, it's just like hardcoded into the TLPD.
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You really can't change it? So how Draco got Polish flag? And other foreigners also have right flags.
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Fixed the flag (nationality's in the db, there's just no way to edit it from the site)
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Gogog idra i will cheer for you.
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CA10826 Posts
sweet, idra's in TLPD
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 Idra
Is he the first american who get a TLPD? Respect
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Wow, good luck with your pracs dude :D
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On April 24 2008 16:17 JoxxOr wrote:IdraIs he the first american who get a TLPD? Respect
Assem has a TLPD too :p
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On December 29 2007 17:20 pubbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2007 04:38 JensOfSweden wrote:
pubbana: I wonder what you said to him ? I used to speak to him in Korean quite a bit several years ago and he was really nice. Then I told him I wasn't Korean and he started being an asshole. Then I saw him on TV wearing a KTF uniform and I've just hated him ever since.
On April 24 2008 20:25 Pads wrote:Assem has a TLPD too :p
That, and Pillars
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Best of luck IdrA, rooting for you to do well!
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Canada9720 Posts
rekrul isn't in the tlpd. i don't think he ever played any tv games, did he
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i didn't think rekrul was even on the team that long, might be wrong though O_o
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greg shouldn't have a TLPD yet he hasnt gotten his license..
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Don't worry about not being good at soccer. You'll pick it up fast once you start playing it more and more. Just like StarCraft! He's actually a really awesome sport to play//watch.
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nice interview and good luck to idra in korea.
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On April 21 2008 21:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 21:28 IdrA wrote:On April 21 2008 19:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Sorry IdrA but you will not pass an 256 man courage tournament with best of 1 style-_- good thing you know what you're talking about its 64 man groups bo3 single elim winner gets a license. they got rid of the 256 man bo1 tourny years ago. Still you won't qualify. It should not be offending you, but you simply don't have the routine to slash through such a tourney. If you manage to get a licence you have my respect.
Lol
1) He'll have multiple chances at winning
2) Worse players have made it through
3) He's practicing all day with a pro-team, his chances are excellent
4) Leg made it (before they changed the format, so yes he made it through a ridiculous 512 or 256 man tournament). Assem made it. It's not like it's impossible, he won't be playing vs Jaedong or Flash in there, he'll be playing vs other amateurs/practice partners, some of which are not that amazing at all.
I'm sure he will make it, if he doesn't get it on his first try he will eventually. Along the way he'll require the 'routine' you speak of. I think your post is pretty offensive really -_ -
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How's he doing so far?
I think some of us will be surprised on how far he goes.
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Calgary25978 Posts
His Courage is in mid May. I forget when he said and I literally just talked to him. May 10th? 16th? 18th? One of those.
He said his team is helping him prepare safe builds and practise cheese defense, since that's all Courage is evidently.
Naruto, when Idra makes Courage and gets his progaming license, I'm going to edit each one of your 4000 posts to add a sig about how much you love Idra. I will also edit all your new posts to have the same sig.
GO IDRAAAAAAAAAA
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On May 01 2008 02:00 Chill wrote:
GO IDRAAAAAAAAAA
QFT Idra you go and win ever osl 2009 kk?
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On May 01 2008 02:00 Chill wrote:
His Courage is in mid May. I forget when he said and I literally just talked to him. May 10th? 16th? 18th? One of those.
He said his team is helping him prepare safe builds and practise cheese defense, since that's all Courage is evidently.
Naruto, when Idra makes Courage and gets his progaming license, I'm going to edit each one of your 4000 posts to add a sig about how much you love Idra. I will also edit all your new posts to have the same sig.
GO IDRAAAAAAAAAA
whats the teams expectations of him? Do they expect he will pass through Courage?
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I'm sure they are supporting him and helping him train just like they would any member of their team.
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On May 01 2008 02:00 Chill wrote:
His Courage is in mid May. I forget when he said and I literally just talked to him. May 10th? 16th? 18th? One of those.
He said his team is helping him prepare safe builds and practise cheese defense, since that's all Courage is evidently.
Naruto, when Idra makes Courage and gets his progaming license, I'm going to edit each one of your 4000 posts to add a sig about how much you love Idra. I will also edit all your new posts to have the same sig.
GO IDRAAAAAAAAAA
I'm fine with that Chill. You know I'm not an idiot or something; I'm just having trouble to accept that there are actually foreigners who could pass such a tourney Blame me for that, its okay.
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Heh of course foreigners could pass the tournament. The only thing Koreans have over the rest of the world is resources. Idra now has the same resources as them so there's no reason to think he's especially incapable.
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On May 01 2008 03:01 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 02:00 Chill wrote:
His Courage is in mid May. I forget when he said and I literally just talked to him. May 10th? 16th? 18th? One of those.
He said his team is helping him prepare safe builds and practise cheese defense, since that's all Courage is evidently.
Naruto, when Idra makes Courage and gets his progaming license, I'm going to edit each one of your 4000 posts to add a sig about how much you love Idra. I will also edit all your new posts to have the same sig.
GO IDRAAAAAAAAAA I'm fine with that Chill. You know I'm not an idiot or something; I'm just having trouble to accept that there are actually foreigners who could pass such a tourney Blame me for that, its okay.
uh, didn't Leg and Assem pass courage?
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On April 25 2008 15:09 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
greg shouldn't have a TLPD yet he hasnt gotten his license..
i sense jealousy
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I think Courage was harder back then too, wasn't it just like a 256 man tournament?
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On May 01 2008 05:08 Chill wrote:
I think Courage was harder back then too, wasn't it just like a 256 man tournament?
In fact there were 256 or 512(?) players, but to that time it was more micro-oriented play and not even close to the level played now. I don't say it was easy back then, but now its way harder.
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And Idra is better than the players back then, so what's your point? The skill level has risen, and so has foreigners'. How is this a factor at all?
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On May 01 2008 05:08 Chill wrote:
I think Courage was harder back then too, wasn't it just like a 256 man tournament?
Courage was single-elimination 256 man back then, or some absolutely shit-ridiculous luck format.
It's easier now. Fewer people [truly good players have passed it already] and I think better format.
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On May 01 2008 05:50 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 05:08 Chill wrote:
I think Courage was harder back then too, wasn't it just like a 256 man tournament? In fact there were 256 or 512(?) players, but to that time it was more micro-oriented play and not even close to the level played now. I don't say it was easy back then, but now its way harder.
you can't really compare the gameplay from back then to right now, because back then courage was ridiculously hard for them too since everyone was just as "bad"
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United States1654 Posts
Just shut up Naruto... all of your posts are so pessimistic, it's irritating.
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At least Naruto's pessimism will be rewarded with pleasant surprise. I know IdrA can make it, so I only await the inevitable .
GL IdrA!
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I'm just wondering how much better Idra's TvT has gotten. I mean, it was piss poor from the reps I've seen, quite embarrassing really, would love to see him against a top terran like advo or strelok or something just to see how he adds up now.
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if anyone can win a courage league, it is idra. Idra always learns amazingly fast and i think he will do surprisingly well to all of you
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as long as he doesn't pull a Draco and lose motivation after a few months, he'll be successful.
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On May 01 2008 05:50 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 05:08 Chill wrote:
I think Courage was harder back then too, wasn't it just like a 256 man tournament? In fact there were 256 or 512(?) players, but to that time it was more micro-oriented play and not even close to the level played now. I don't say it was easy back then, but now its way harder.
Micro-oriented skills I think is even harder than macro. Your micro against their korean micro.. ugh. Having seen all the TSL replays, the macro is there, but the micro isn't at the same level IMO. Even now, the arguably 2nd best, chinese players micro isn't as solid as the koreans back then. The fact that Assem won Courage speaks volume about his skills. Assem was the clear favorite to win Teamliquid Tour 2, but IMO he underestimated foreign TvT by not practicing that matchup enough.
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On May 01 2008 08:32 Sigrun wrote:
Just shut up Naruto... all of your posts are so pessimistic, it's irritating. .
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On May 01 2008 08:32 Sigrun wrote:
Just shut up Naruto... all of your posts are so pessimistic, it's irritating.
Don't blame him, kid still needs to grow up. Anyway gl Idra o,o
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On May 01 2008 11:37 Xeris wrote:
as long as he doesn't pull a Draco and lose motivation after a few months, he'll be successful.
Stop judging people because you have completely no idea what you are talking about and you have no rights to do so.
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On May 01 2008 20:41 Draco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 11:37 Xeris wrote:
as long as he doesn't pull a Draco and lose motivation after a few months, he'll be successful. Stop judging people because you have completely no idea what you are talking about and you have no rights to do so.
werd
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Draco.. get used to it..
thats how forums work with different people with different behaviour
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yeah xeris just got put in his place
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On May 01 2008 09:22 ._. wrote:
I'm just wondering how much better Idra's TvT has gotten. I mean, it was piss poor from the reps I've seen, quite embarrassing really, would love to see him against a top terran like advo or strelok or something just to see how he adds up now.
Didn't he go like.. 5-0 vs Skew in the eStro tour?
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Will IdrA have any problems going from the Korean Hive style ZvT he encounters in the eStro practice house to the foreign ZvT style when he plays his TSL games? Obviously you'd think he'd steamroll them, seeing as he's practicing with pros and semi-pros, but if he's practicing the wrong things could it come back to bite him?
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On May 02 2008 07:43 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Will IdrA have any problems going from the Korean Hive style ZvT he encounters in the eStro practice house to the foreign ZvT style when he plays his TSL games? Obviously you'd think he'd steamroll them, seeing as he's practicing with pros and semi-pros, but if he's practicing the wrong things could it come back to bite him?
What, exactly, is 'foreign style' ZvT?
More like Lair-tech play??
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I'm not exactly sure Lhyviathan, I took that from I'm having to completely rework my TvZ because Korean style zvt is so much different(better) than non koreans Maybe the only difference is the increased levels of macro/micro/timing, in which case my previous question is pointless :p
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foreign zergs just to tend to mass up alot of shit and get hive tech later most of the time. As where koreans get hive tech very fast and have very little units early - mid game and just use defiler nydus and expand untill ultra n shit.
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too bad about draco, he actually was posting some pretty decent courage results.
to idra: even if you don't pass your first courage, keep at it. It looks like you get along with your team mates.
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Korean style is fast hive focusing alot of muta and defiler micro. And abusing nydus canals.
Im not sure about foreign style that much cause i see them try to play more korean style these days. But the thing i notice they dont use defilers as much.
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On May 02 2008 09:36 fusionsdf wrote:
too bad about draco, he actually was posting some pretty decent courage results.
to idra: even if you don't pass your first courage, keep at it. It looks like you get along with your team mates.
Draco never played courage. He was exempted.
He played in PCBang offline qualifiers; those are even harder than courage since everyone is a progamer.
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Actually Draco played one or two courage and failed at first/second round (losing to carrier rush on 815 too). As far as I remember Suncow did much well in Courage but then he had to leave Korea for some reason I have to understand yet.
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On May 02 2008 16:36 iG.ClouD wrote:
Actually Draco played one or two courage and failed at first/second round (losing to carrier rush on 815 too). As far as I remember Suncow did much well in Courage but then he had to leave Korea for some reason I have to understand yet.
Oh right I remember that.
Suncow ran out of money iirc.
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idra you fucking rock, show these newbs that we're not a bunch of down-syndrome protosses outside of korea
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lol, protoss hate everlasting
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On May 02 2008 16:36 iG.ClouD wrote:
Actually Draco played one or two courage and failed at first/second round (losing to carrier rush on 815 too). As far as I remember Suncow did much well in Courage but then he had to leave Korea for some reason I have to understand yet.
Thnik he went to the 3rd or 4th round.
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On May 02 2008 16:36 iG.ClouD wrote:
Actually Draco played one or two courage and failed at first/second round (losing to carrier rush on 815 too). As far as I remember Suncow did much well in Courage but then he had to leave Korea for some reason I have to understand yet.
Actually you're a moron and your memory suck because I lost both times in the quarter finals (4th round) in courage tournament. For the first time SunCow had lost in the 2nd round and in the next courage he lost in the 4th round so there has to be something wrong with your brain if you claim that he did better than me.
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Well my memory is wrong but that doesn't definitely make me a moron. And in the end you got your progaming license anyway so why are you all angered about this? You did nothing in Korea anyway, finishing last or in the 4th round in courage doesn't really matter :x
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Draco finished 2nd in some korean tourney^^?
Losing 3-2 in the finals against By.FanTasy
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wow, didnt expect such bad manners from draco oO
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Draco, Cloud wasn't being offensive against you in his post, why are you reacting so strongly to everything being said about you and korea? People will always talk, you can correct them, but you don't need to call them morons.
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lol who cares, this post isn't to discuss about Draco anyway, I'm sorry about that. As if we need more drama on tl these days.
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Wtf up with draco... Idra will soon make it in the roster, what happened to those minor proleague things for the B players?
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On May 02 2008 19:47 iG.ClouD wrote:
lol who cares, this post isn't to discuss about Draco anyway, I'm sorry about that. As if we need more drama on tl these days. no.. now its to late. drama till the end. one time touched pride and be doomed forever.
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On May 02 2008 20:48 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Wtf up with draco... Idra will soon make it in the roster, what happened to those minor proleague things for the B players?
theyre still holding it this season
but like proleague you have to have a pro license to be eligible to play in it.
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yeah but that increases your chances to play in official matches for the team dramatically if you get that license.
Do you have to get the license before the season or can you still play if you got it sometime later?
And how big is the estro minor team?
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If he gets a license and trains up he probably gets to play at least once in the minor league or whatever they call it.
Do they broadcast that in Korea? I mean, what kind of coverage does that have? I never hear anything on that anymore on tl.net.
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yeah, I think the minor league is a huge boost for his chances.
I've always thought that for a foreigner to be successful they must not only have skill, but must also be very motivated, and the exposure of minor league will give a closer and more realistic goal that can be used as a stepping stone
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
Draco's so easily offended, its actually really stupid but quitet funny =]
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yeah it's quitetet funny lawlawlawlalwawlalwalwl
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On May 02 2008 18:29 Draco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 16:36 iG.ClouD wrote:
Actually Draco played one or two courage and failed at first/second round (losing to carrier rush on 815 too). As far as I remember Suncow did much well in Courage but then he had to leave Korea for some reason I have to understand yet. Actually you're a moron and your memory suck because I lost both times in the quarter finals (4th round) in courage tournament. For the first time SunCow had lost in the 2nd round and in the next courage he lost in the 4th round so there has to be something wrong with your brain if you claim that he did better than me. um....wow....
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Well maybe he got some negative emotions involved with the whole thing. From the third person view you cant indeed fully judge it and anyways I think Cloud is right. Nobody achieves something usefull by collectively point on single persons and roll over the same things again and again.
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On May 02 2008 19:07 iG.ClouD wrote:
Well my memory is wrong but that doesn't definitely make me a moron. And in the end you got your progaming license anyway so why are you all angered about this? You did nothing in Korea anyway, finishing last or in the 4th round in courage doesn't really matter :x
considering u both pay equal amount of time playing ( dont dare deny this ) and what uve accomplished... u absolutely have no right to say that what he did in korea means nothing. i prolly know what ur going to say... so dont bother replying. just think about it.
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Don't judge Draco; any of us would react like that after being caught up with enough frustration.
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Heh great thing is that Draco and Cloud are in the same group.
Going to be interesting when they play each other...
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@tehsex: Well achieving more than the most others is without doubt a respectful performance. But still it doesnt make you to some kind of higher human beeing that has more right to say something than others. Maybe that statement was harsh but the same way it is harsh to call a other one a moron.
I can understand Dracos reaction when some frustration is involved. But the same thing is also valid for Cloud. If someone would call me moron I would hardly respect his accomplishments in this moment. Even if its a hollywood star, the Pope and KeSPA nr 1 in one person.
I think everybody knows that Draco was in his active time one of the very best foreigners. So this is already one big achievement and its surely enough to leave the whole discussion to that.
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Well, i think that Cloud just said that Draco lacked motivation and that's all, he simply said the truth, On the other hand Draco has probably felt like in prison when he was @ OGN's place but that's not Cloud's problem. Draco did not have enough motivation. Cloud only told the truth. As far as Draco's feelings concerned those are his and Cloud can't judge the situation regarding his feelings. The point is that none is denying Draco's accomplishments and that Draco should not react like that. I remember that Rekrul also posted somewhere how Draco answered him about Korea. He should control himself a bit more.
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This Draco interview .. interesting read..
ooh.. oops..
T_T
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Draco was right to say what he did, maybe not as harsh. Cloud made incorrect statements about Draco so Draco responded. Cloud responded inappropriately to his comments. Those comments in a way is an attack on Draco's skills especially considering the huge difference in accomplishment between the two. We can't say what Draco did what he did in Korea since we're not him.
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On April 20 2008 19:29 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Nice interview, I'm surprised he has to earn his progaming licence unlike other most pro's who were given one through the exception thingy (like Draco).
Yeah that progamer licence freebie was a joke! I wasn't given one! I earned it the hard way.
... by giving sexual favors.
I wish idra all the best. Hope he does well.
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I hope that idra will make an update soon
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ClouD vs Dragco will indeed be interesting
I wonder what D would do/say if he loses to the "moron". Hmm...
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He already won.
Not that it changes anything...
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EPT
Go play some minor league and work your way up from there! Or something! I don't know, I just want to see some VODs ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
