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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 18:20:57
June 05 2009 18:19 GMT
#741
On June 05 2009 15:53 Tyxiquale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2009 15:35 Shikyo wrote:
On June 05 2009 11:16 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 04 2009 20:10 Shikyo wrote:
If Violet isn't on the PR, my head is going to explode. ^_^

On June 04 2009 17:31 Jaeden wrote:
ohh come on, if JD didnt play in gom his record would be 5-0 , with no lose to a noname. Gom counts as a minus to him not as a plus, so stop that.


Did you know that it makes NO difference at all whether you win a series 3-2 or 3-0. It just looks prettier and you might argue it's more dominant, but JD has always been losing the first games of a series. He's came back from behind to win most of the BOx wins he's had, if I recall correctly.
of course it matters if you win 3-0 or 3-2, or 2-1 over 2-0. If you beat Bisu 3-2, then good job. If you 3-0 him, WOW. If you 2-1 against Jangbi, ok. If you 2-1 against jjonga, wtf?

Guess who went 2-1 againts jjonga...S class players should not be dropping those games.

Of course, but if it's JD 2-1 vs some noobie, you can't really call it poor performance since it's JD. The result is completely the same. In the end it doesn't matter. At all.

E: What I'm saying is, if JD goes 3-2 3-2 3-2, he still did better than if, say, Bisu did 3-0, 3-0, 2-3, even if JD lost a lot more games in total. In BoX's it really doesn't matter by how much you win, it only affects record and statistics, but 3-0 gets no extra benefit over 3-2.


there is no benefit in terms of tournament progression... but for the purposes of the power rank where a single loss can tip you from 1st place to 3rd, it does.

3-0 shows u totally dominated ur opponent, whereas 3-2 shows that you just handled the pressure situation better at the end.

Its like if federer wins a major without dropping a single set, people would say that he cruised through it, total rape.. but if the games went to 5 sets nearly every game, then its not as dominating.

lol, that's a shitty example.
NO, it's like Federer wins 6-0(all sets) in a single match, but losing the other one 3-2(sets), jeez!
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 05 2009 18:55 GMT
#742
I agree that 3-2 or 2-1 wins in a series can be a reason to demote someone in the PR. But you should be pretty sure that the player actually lost because of poor play.

We've seen Stork be really lazy, and we've seen Jaedong lose plenty of game 1's , only to come back and dominate. And cheese is cheese, and a well executed cheese is impossible to stop, by any player. So sometimes you can let a close series win slide.

***

You know what's annoying? Advocating for a player and then being accused of being a fanboy. It's honestly the dumbest possible way to get your point across, or discredit the other person. Don't be stupid.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 05 2009 19:42 GMT
#743
I definitely think the end result is more important than the specifics. For example, luxury won an msl on 2-1/3-2 series. Thats better than compared to Jangbi at the time, who was winning 3-0 over everyone, but failed to get the title in the end. Nevertheless, there is a difference between 2-1 against hwasin and 2-1 against jjonga. Jaedong, by losing that game, did not meet S class expectations. Mind you, there are a myriad of examples of players doing poorly early on in the tournament, only sto shape up towards the end. Or putting more emphasis on pl over individual leagues, etc. I don't thinik the 2-1 against jjonga is horribly significant outside of the fact that Bisu and Jaedong are so close in results/skills, as of the last few months.

Just clarifying, and IMO if [hopefully! :D] jaedong vs Bisu happens in the ace match in PL, that will definitely prove it one way or the other.
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Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
June 06 2009 08:39 GMT
#744
Well, it looks like (Z)Kespa might be moving up in the PR due to their creative play in the KT vs Hite series!
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Polar_Bear
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany55 Posts
June 06 2009 11:04 GMT
#745
On June 06 2009 17:39 Orbifold wrote:
Well, it looks like (Z)Kespa might be moving up in the PR due to their creative play in the KT vs Hite series!


what has happened?
perx80
Profile Joined August 2008
Malaysia65 Posts
June 06 2009 12:47 GMT
#746
On June 06 2009 20:04 Polar_Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:39 Orbifold wrote:
Well, it looks like (Z)Kespa might be moving up in the PR due to their creative play in the KT vs Hite series!


what has happened?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94845
Polar_Bear
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany55 Posts
June 06 2009 14:29 GMT
#747
On June 06 2009 21:47 perx80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 20:04 Polar_Bear wrote:
On June 06 2009 17:39 Orbifold wrote:
Well, it looks like (Z)Kespa might be moving up in the PR due to their creative play in the KT vs Hite series!


what has happened?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94845


thanks a lot.

Though I don't like Leta, I agree with the judgement, Kespa pronounced; you can't punish s.o. for doing nothing. Imo the one to blame is the KTF-coach, not Kespa.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
June 06 2009 16:50 GMT
#748
There should be an anti power rank, with Luxury, ForGG, and the KT coach somewhere around the top.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
June 06 2009 18:07 GMT
#749
KT rank?
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
June 06 2009 18:10 GMT
#750
There's a spot for Best too.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
June 06 2009 18:26 GMT
#751
On June 07 2009 03:10 okum wrote:
There's a spot for Best too.


Best who ? You mean Best from SKT just no ....
piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
June 06 2009 18:36 GMT
#752
whens the next powerrank?
OmegaFang
Profile Joined May 2008
United States156 Posts
June 06 2009 18:53 GMT
#753
Should be out on the 10th I think
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
June 06 2009 20:10 GMT
#754
most likely to be out when OZ vs T1 is played
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
June 07 2009 04:04 GMT
#755
On June 06 2009 03:13 Orbifold wrote:
I am a Flash fan, and don't really have a preference between Bisu and JD. I have also watched every game from both Bisu and Jaedong in the past month. It seems strange that there is any question who should be #1: Jaedong. They have performed similarly stats wise, but Jaedong's play has been much much better.


But there are times when jaedong just doesn't seem solid. Bisu has just been playing rock solid every game.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 07 2009 04:28 GMT
#756
Yep, that's the difference between them. Even though they are at the pinnacle of gaming, right now Jaedong's play can fluctuate to be even better or falter a little bit. It may be because he plays zerg. Bisu's play stays constant at a level of awesome. It may be because he plays protoss. I dunno, that's just the feeling I get for zergs and protossses.
Jaedong
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 07 2009 05:42 GMT
#757
I think Horang2 should be on CBNC, that kid's really showing his stuff.
Jaedong
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
June 07 2009 05:43 GMT
#758
JESUS H. CHRIST UPDATE THE POWER RANK
cw)minsean(ru
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 07 2009 05:48 GMT
#759
June 10th man..
Remember Violet.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 07 2009 06:13 GMT
#760
On June 07 2009 14:43 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
JESUS H. CHRIST UPDATE THE POWER RANK

JESUS H. CHRIST READ THE THREAD.
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