EPTVoted Savior slump tho.
EDIT: Fuck, this was 1500 post.
Why haven't we been seeing players repeatedly winning the…
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
Voted Savior slump tho. EDIT: Fuck, this was 1500 post. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
- Removed true double elim in pringles-1 - Double-elim completely removed in gomtv season 2 - Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 2 - Quarter finals were played over two days since gomtv season 2 - Savior has slumped since the start of gomtv season 2 | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
but of course it makes things more interesting and could possibly be true. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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GTR
51694 Posts
- Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 1 was introduced season 2 same with the thingy below it | ||
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hubfub
Australia352 Posts
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Felagund
Philippines504 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + and JD will. :p | ||
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Felagund
Philippines504 Posts
On October 21 2008 21:51 hubfub wrote: im a bit noob.. what does double-elim mean? It's the whole affair with the loser's brackets, is it not? That is, if you lose in your first match, you're in some kind of loser's limbo, where you challenge the other losers. The top loser challenge the top winner (winner gets a free win) for the whole thing. EDIT: Sample bracket here (from 2003 Stout MSL.) | ||
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Ideas
United States8179 Posts
Personally I blame Tiamat  | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 21 2008 21:29 GTR-2-Go wrote: ah yes was introduced season 2 same with the thingy below it i always thing S2 was S1 because S2 started in the new progaming year | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
But savior is in a slump is too funny to resist. | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
though imo its more of the lack of all-around perfect players and the more of one or two mu sniping players that are constantly sniping each other off of the top. need new bonjwas | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
On October 21 2008 22:38 Ideas wrote: I don't like double-elim tournaments... It seems to give the player from winner's bracket too much momentum. Personally I blame Tiamat i think jaedong would have still lost to forgg with tiamat or not | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6185 Posts
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On October 21 2008 21:09 Plexa wrote: Timeline; - Removed true double elim in pringles-1 - Double-elim completely removed in gomtv season 2 - Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 2 - Quarter finals were played over two days since gomtv season 2 - Savior has slumped since the start of gomtv season 2 HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
While writing all those stuff, I just remembered that the OSL does the same thing I think. They only play one game in the quarterfinals then they continue with the 2nd and possibly 3rd. But yeah, screw it, I forgot. Which makes me think if the OSL also changed format or is BoxeR just way too good to win 2 OSL's consecutively, uhm, BoxeR is just too good. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2762 Posts
On October 21 2008 22:38 Ideas wrote: I don't like double-elim tournaments... It seems to give the player from winner's bracket too much momentum. How can you have too much momentum considering the alternative? | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
- out of luck with the maps ...I voted Savior in a slump . Well except him and Jaedong i don't see enyone worthy to win MSL tittles repeatedly no more . | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
Mind after his upset of Bisu made it to ro4 before losing to eventual champion Jaedong. Jaedong made it to the finals before ForGG beat him. ForGG has run into Stork who he still could possibly beat, but Stork is probably the hottest player right now. It kind of reminds me of champion Bisu facing the hottest player Hwasin in Gom3, but ForGG doesn't have that magic that Bisu does. So, idk there is also the theory that there will be no more bonjwa's and that there will be a lot of parity in starcraft for the rest of its time. Dont worry though cuz Bisu is gonna repeat the repeat this season and next! | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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WorldCommunist8
United States226 Posts
On October 21 2008 21:09 Plexa wrote: Timeline; - Removed true double elim in pringles-1 - Double-elim completely removed in gomtv season 2 - Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 2 - Quarter finals were played over two days since gomtv season 2 - Savior has slumped since the start of gomtv season 2 If this is all correct (I'm sure it is) then you can't really pick one reason as to why it happened, because this is also the last season we had a repeat winner. However someone also pointed out, the competition is getting much better by the day. No longer can one player completely dominate and be untouchable, as almost every team has a viable threat that can snag an ace match from the other team, which is where people usually look at a clutch player's true skill (as well as a Bo5 in one night but some of the best don't get to them because of the spread out Bo3's and such). I said the removal of double elimination, because double elimination allowed for two things: 1) Greater margin of error. A player could slip up and still have a shot at coming back by working his way through more games. It may have been harder to do, but the ability to do so was still there and it probably did help some people if they had a bad set at one point mentally, they could recover then tear apart the losers bracket. 2) Innovation. It somewhat ties into the whole "Greater Margin of Error" reasoning, but players could experiment with builds much better. In the current format, if you get behind even one game, we've seen it to be an uphill battle, but in the old format, if the build didn't work and you were bounced to the elimination bracket, you could take a week, analyze your build, your opponents counter and come up with a perfection for it. In the current system, players in most cases have to stick to tried and true builds if they want to succeed because they don't have the ability to make a losers bracket run and perfect different builds while at it. | ||
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Augury
United States758 Posts
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
sigh it's not that Savior's in a slump he's losing on purpose so that when he busts it out like a madman every1 will be like WHOA remember blizzcon? that's only a small sampling of wat Savior will do to his enemies | ||
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Dknight
United States5225 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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capek
United States585 Posts
On October 22 2008 05:53 Piy wrote: Lack of a bonjwa, i.e Savior slumping Currently, 52% of TL agrees with you. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
iloveoov's reign started in the Trigem MSL, where was knocked in the FIRST ROUND by Nada, only to claw his way through the loser's bracket and win 3-1 against Nada and take the tournament with a 3-0 against Yellow. Unfortunately there are no records if Nada/Boxer came from the losers bracket or not. Anyone who votes maps is clearly forgetting Savior. Reverse Temple and Longinus 2 were far worse for zerg than Colosseum and Tiamat (Savior just singlehandedly inflated their stats and certain post-Savior have no brains aside from inconsistent Luxury). Maps were not why Jaedong lost, he just isn't comparable mentally. Bisu was the same. Losing 1 MSL in his worst matchup didn't spell his collapse, but his lack of mental domination afterwards did. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
Devaluing the role of the Seed Quarterfinals being played over 2 days Removal of the double-elim format Savior's been in a slump These 5 | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
The double elim format let so many players try to re-grab a seed. Then I guess the seed's power loss. And yo, Ver guy - Jaedong has one of the greatest mentalities I've seen in a progamer. His era is simply more difficult than previous eras. Savior had the fortune of still playing old schoolers like Nada, Kingdom, Ra far into the brackets compared to today's top players who have surpassed the greats. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
That's right. TOO good. | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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G5
United States2921 Posts
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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hubfub
Australia352 Posts
On October 21 2008 22:03 Felagund wrote: It's the whole affair with the loser's brackets, is it not? That is, if you lose in your first match, you're in some kind of loser's limbo, where you challenge the other losers. The top loser challenge the top winner (winner gets a free win) for the whole thing. EDIT: Sample bracket here (from 2003 Stout MSL.) awesome.. wow that looks complex and LONG | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
like emailing a link of boxer, (yellow win osl), savior, sea, etc. autovote polls to the respective players. | ||
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Felagund
Philippines504 Posts
On October 22 2008 06:47 Ver wrote: And I was about to ask if anyone ever came back from the loser's bracket to win the whole thing . . . thanks. Removing double elim is probably the biggest factor. iloveoov's reign started in the Trigem MSL, where was knocked in the FIRST ROUND by Nada, only to claw his way through the loser's bracket and win 3-1 against Nada and take the tournament with a 3-0 against Yellow. Unfortunately there are no records if Nada/Boxer came from the losers bracket or not.  Anyone who votes maps is clearly forgetting Savior. Reverse Temple and Longinus 2 were far worse for zerg than Colosseum and Tiamat (Savior just singlehandedly inflated their stats and certain post-Savior have no brains aside from inconsistent Luxury). Maps were not why Jaedong lost, he just isn't comparable mentally. Bisu was the same. Losing 1 MSL in his worst matchup didn't spell his collapse, but his lack of mental domination afterwards did. And I agree with this. As I said in Kennigit's blog, a bonjwa is not so much as being above everyone else as thinking he's above everyone else.Bisu had that mindset for a while, but he lost it. He didn't lose his skill, but he lost his confidence in them. I hope his putative resurgence holds (so I can hate him again.  ) | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On October 22 2008 12:50 Neverborn wrote: I stopped playing SC (and following the scene) before Savior was ever thought of as anything special, and didn't start following anything again until after he was gone. So I don't understand: why does Savior have so many die-hard fans compared to other past greats? I guess having a 97% winning rate during your prime is Godly. I was also thinking of why is he special because I started following the scene after Flash won Bacchus and I saw a tribute vid to sAviOr. 97% win rate is just the shit right there. And yeah, the only Terran that was only to stand up to him during his prime was Midas right? | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On October 22 2008 01:07 EvoChamber wrote: There should be a vote for parity. I also agree, I think that parity is the reason. with the S-class players being so close to the A range players, it's tough for any one person to stand out. Fantasy is starting to make a case for himself though. | ||
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