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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 12:09:12
October 21 2008 12:08 GMT
#1
Competition gettin harder each day.
Voted Savior slump tho.

EDIT: Fuck, this was 1500 post.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 14:06:36
October 21 2008 12:09 GMT
#2
Timeline;
- Removed true double elim in pringles-1
- Double-elim completely removed in gomtv season 2
- Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 2
- Quarter finals were played over two days since gomtv season 2
- Savior has slumped since the start of gomtv season 2
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
October 21 2008 12:20 GMT
#3
the savior option makes it so that people wont answer it "truthfully"

but of course it makes things more interesting and could possibly be true.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
October 21 2008 12:25 GMT
#4
"Savior's been in a slump" lmao, wanted to vote for that but the truth is the Removal of the double-elim format. There should be an international law prohibiting serious money tournaments for any sport to be single elimn.. seriously :>
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51593 Posts
October 21 2008 12:29 GMT
#5
- Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 1

was introduced season 2
same with the thingy below it
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hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
October 21 2008 12:51 GMT
#6
im a bit noob.. what does double-elim mean?
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
October 21 2008 12:54 GMT
#7
Bisu did, Jaedong almost did. :-/

+ Show Spoiler +
and JD will. :p
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 13:08:42
October 21 2008 13:03 GMT
#8
On October 21 2008 21:51 hubfub wrote:
im a bit noob.. what does double-elim mean?

It's the whole affair with the loser's brackets, is it not?

That is, if you lose in your first match, you're in some kind of loser's limbo, where you challenge the other losers. The top loser challenge the top winner (winner gets a free win) for the whole thing.

EDIT: Sample bracket here (from 2003 Stout MSL.)
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8169 Posts
October 21 2008 13:38 GMT
#9
I don't like double-elim tournaments... It seems to give the player from winner's bracket too much momentum.



Personally I blame Tiamat
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 21 2008 14:07 GMT
#10
On October 21 2008 21:29 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +
- Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 1

was introduced season 2
same with the thingy below it
ah yes i always thing S2 was S1 because S2 started in the new progaming year
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GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
October 21 2008 14:18 GMT
#11
I'd say the removal of the double-elim is probably the biggest reason why it's so hard to have consistent people in the play-offs season after season.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 14:36:34
October 21 2008 14:36 GMT
#12
Truthfully removal of the double elim format, means that any upsets which happen become final without the upset player having any chance at still winning.

But savior is in a slump is too funny to resist.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
October 21 2008 15:08 GMT
#13
rofl, autovoted

though imo its more of the lack of all-around perfect players and the more of one or two mu sniping players that are constantly sniping each other off of the top. need new bonjwas
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
October 21 2008 15:11 GMT
#14
Fanboy++
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17735 Posts
October 21 2008 15:38 GMT
#15
On October 21 2008 22:38 Ideas wrote:
I don't like double-elim tournaments... It seems to give the player from winner's bracket too much momentum.



Personally I blame Tiamat

i think jaedong would have still lost to forgg with tiamat or not
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 21 2008 15:40 GMT
#16
savior
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
October 21 2008 15:47 GMT
#17
I hate quarter final been done over 2 days.. this is just plain stupid
n_n
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
October 21 2008 15:55 GMT
#18
On October 21 2008 21:09 Plexa wrote:
Timeline;
- Removed true double elim in pringles-1
- Double-elim completely removed in gomtv season 2
- Round of 32 introduced in gomtv season 2
- Quarter finals were played over two days since gomtv season 2
- Savior has slumped since the start of gomtv season 2

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EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
October 21 2008 16:07 GMT
#19
There should be a vote for parity.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
October 21 2008 16:31 GMT
#20
I think it's because the quarterfinals aren't played in one sitting. It gives chances to players that can't play a series in one sitting prepare for the next game. It kinda takes away the essence of mentally preparing yourself for the next game based on the little you got to see on the replay (they're allowed to view it right?). So what happens is a strong series player gets beat by a weak series player, and the weak series player isn't used to playing a Bo3 in one sitting, if he isn't used to it, then more or less he's screwed in the Bo5.

While writing all those stuff, I just remembered that the OSL does the same thing I think. They only play one game in the quarterfinals then they continue with the 2nd and possibly 3rd. But yeah, screw it, I forgot.

Which makes me think if the OSL also changed format or is BoxeR just way too good to win 2 OSL's consecutively, uhm, BoxeR is just too good.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
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