EPTPower Rank 06/06/2008 - Page 14
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Speaking of Best, he did make an amazing comeback even though his opponet reached the height of choke artistry, however, I do not think he will be #1. He just isn't on the level of Flash/JD yet. If he wins the OSL I will certainly retract that statement. The top 3 will definitely be Flash/JD/Best with either Flash or JD on top. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I really wish more people, when trying to take part in the power rank discussion, would try to give more detail other than “so and so hasn’t been playing well enough,or... he looks a bit shaky”. For instance, the post above me, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but would you please explain WHY you think Best deserves the #1 spot more than Jaedong? And same to the post above that, why Best isn’t as good as Jaedong/Flash? Give examples of games or comparison of games that clearly shows one's superiority to another. I mean, perhaps I am just expecting too much and should be hanged, but it will be a lot more … worthwhile ...to read the comments if they sounded like more than just opinions, because opinions have no place (in theory) when deciding the power ranks. I mean, yes this is a public forum and I have no right telling people they shouldn’t post their comments, but after 14 pages of mostly empty statements, I admit I am a little nauseous. I apologize in advance if this offends anyone. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
Jaedong on the other hand, hasnt been playing as much, and his only real notable win was over hwasin (Who he is actually still behind in score this year 3-4 albeit he did win when it counted). Jaedong is gonna have to show a bit more that his ZvT is back up to scratch then that 1 series for me to think that hes the #1 player again. Flash, has been losing altogether too many games this month. No one can fault you for droppin a PL game here or there, but theres a point where its too much. Droppin out of the OSL in the quarters on top of dropping games to HerO, free, and RuBy in proleague is just too much to give him the #1 spot, especially with his upcoming MSL preformance so close, which will be a HUGE indication of his current state. Happy? | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
As it stands, Best's PvP ensures that putting him on a P favoured matchup is nigh on a guaranteed win for SKT. To beat him on Katrina or a similar P favoured map requires either stunning play he can't match (and his PvZ/PvT is, while somewhat more clunkly and less strong in terms of gamesense/early game micro than his PvP, still is very competitive), and sending a P against him practically guarantees you're going to get fucked seven different ways. With Midas and (finally!) Bisu also looking like PL tiers for SKT, they can even throw Best on a map he's less comfortable with and trade the matchup around to throw people. tl;dr, Best is proving himself very versatile. The thing that I do think Best has over Jaedong and Flash at the moment is the ability to lift his game in all aspects of competition. While Jaedong had that great 3:1 of Hwasin, he looked quite ... surprised by the unusual approach Bisu took in the PL and his ZvT still isn't what it was. Flash also looked shocked by Luxury's approaches in the OSL, as well as how effectively people have adapted to his play in the Proleague. Meanwhile, Best continues to be a proleague machine, recovered confidently from a strong game that beat him on the P>T map from Really and crushed him in the ACE. Let's not forget the impressive comeback in his unproven matchup against a player on a tear on Z>P maps either. Now, I'm not certain that's enough to make him the number one - but he is holding up well in front of multiple challenges, very effectively for someone who isn't even a champion yet. When he gets the OSL (sorry Julyzerg/Backho fans, I just don't see them stopping him in any shape or form), and with a little more practice in PvZ/PvT (which Bisu seems to be helping him out with somewhat, and getting PvP in return), watch out. | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
1) Flash still has the best proleague record that won't change by the end of the month 2) Flash got knocked out in the Ro8, Jaedong got knocked out in the Ro24/ODT (as it was formally known) Best manged to advance to the finals and has yet to play that match but consider 3) Best didn't qualify for the MSL, Jaedong and Flash both are in the Ro4 (assuming Flash wins [I feel this is a safe assumption]) so for proleague Flash>Best>Jaedong OSL Best>Flash>Jaedong MSL Flash=Jaedong>Best Now this isn't looking at how close the games were but purelly at how far they are in each tournament Flash>Best>Jaedong | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On June 30 2008 14:14 wswordsmen wrote: People who are attacking Flash for dropping out of the OSL and dropping proleague games need to relize 2 things: 1) Flash still has the best proleague record that won't change by the end of the month 2) Flash got knocked out in the Ro8, Jaedong got knocked out in the Ro24/ODT (as it was formally known) Best manged to advance to the finals and has yet to play that match but consider 3) Best didn't qualify for the MSL, Jaedong and Flash both are in the Ro4 (assuming Flash wins [I feel this is a safe assumption]) so for proleague Flash>Best>Jaedong OSL Best>Flash>Jaedong MSL Flash=Jaedong>Best Now this isn't looking at how close the games were but purelly at how far they are in each tournament Flash>Best>Jaedong Yeah except we re looking for records of this month PL and leagues not all season record . Besides i don't know what you are so obsessed with PL even if one of the favorite losses the team could always back them up , it is not fatal if Flash or JD or enybody else lose some PL games but their performance in the leagues is much more important if you ask me although PL games could give a clue at how their doing . I will give an example with JD he has been looking bad ( i mean bad in not winning his PL games, but still not so bad performance) in ZvT in PL but did he rape Hwasin ( who i think has the best TvZ better then Flash if both are at their maximum ) in the MSL with baller builds who were all risky executed with confidence . He even raped him in an all out macro war in game 2 after his loss in game one .And to tell the truth , that was JD almost at his best that game he stopped Hwasin at every turn with plague swarm and scourges . His macro never sliped and his swarm and plague use was superb , not to mention his harass ability with lings . Top that with game 4 his trademark muta control which most of us doubted will be effective he raped him after the failed push it was over with Hwasin not haveing engineering bay. JD was just showing-off after that  . All this on maps that are way way way harder it seems for a zerg player to perform well . And please don't judge JD's ZvP just because he lost to Bisu on a turtle friendly sair/reaver in to carrier map go a few weeks back and see Bisu being raped in MSL .Fact is I ain't voteing against JD in Bo5 no matter who the opponent is ... I can't see the future to tell if JD's ZvP or ZvT will be shaky that goes for BEST and Flash too . I can see BEST loseing to July were Luxury failed , but i could also see him winning . But BEST looked seriously behind in all games early game that a player like July i'm sure will feed an those mistakes . | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Lucifer is 1-5 in June in KeSPA sanctioned games, which doesn't even count the 0-2 loss he suffered at the hands of Flash in GOM. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
On June 30 2008 09:59 Juicyfruit wrote: I really wish more people, when trying to take part in the power rank discussion, would try to give more detail other than “so and so hasn’t been playing well enough,or... he looks a bit shaky”. For instance, the post above me, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but would you please explain WHY you think Best deserves the #1 spot more than Jaedong? And same to the post above that, why Best isn’t as good as Jaedong/Flash? Give examples of games or comparison of games that clearly shows one's superiority to another. I mean, perhaps I am just expecting too much and should be hanged, but it will be a lot more … worthwhile ...to read the comments if they sounded like more than just opinions, because opinions have no place (in theory) when deciding the power ranks. Best shouldn't be higher than Flash and Jaedong is because his win over Luxury was unconvincing. Best's comeback was spectacular but only and I repeat only because Luxury completely blew the series. Had it been a more competent zerg playing in that series, he would have finished Best in game three and noone would be talking about Best's amazing play or how he should be number one on the power rank. The way that series played out left me to believe that July will be able to defeat Best. Best was playing horribly in games one and two. He made a noobish mistake on Hwarandgo allowing lings to raze his base and in game two his scout died and he got painfully raped by 2 hatch hydra. In game 3 he was set back by ling harass and all Luxury needed to do is go mutalisk to counter the zealot/reaver. Game 4 was a repeat of game 3 early game. Lux's lings did a lot of damage but failed to kill the nexus. Instead of keeping up pressure Luxury allowed Best to recover. He then proceeded to loose every single battle and 2 expansions. In game 5 they were back on Hwarandgo where instead of playing aggressively, Luxury went for a macro game ( which suits Best by the way) and SOMEHOW ended up with a weak econ. Luxury completely choked. He choked so hard that you just have to discredit Best's victory to an extent. After watching July vs Rock series I believe that if July playes agressively in the early game and is able to not choke and finish off Best, he will have the advantage in that series. I have no doubt that Jaedong will rape Much and get to the MSL final. I have no doubt that Flash will rape the life out of Lomo and ForGG and get to the MSL final. However I do doubt that Best will beat July. I still think he is untested in PvZ seeing how Luxury practically handed him the win. If best wins the OSL, he will have all the rights to be #1 in august. For this month however, Best should be at most 2'nd since his PL is better that Jaedongs however I don't think that a hiccup that Flash is experiencing should put him below 1'st. Savior had hiccups too but that did not stop him from being #1. Just ask yourself, do you honestly believe that Flash will loose to Lomo or ForGG in the MSL. The kid is practically in the MSL finals, along with Jaedong. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On July 01 2008 05:06 Carnac wrote: haha kickass...a hall of fame pic just like boxers I <3 TL | ||
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Wala.Revolution
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
btw there's a better pic of sea's powerrank thing from directly in front. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
On July 02 2008 07:13 thedeadhaji wrote: luxury's zvp blows, end of story. btw there's a better pic of sea's powerrank thing from directly in front. ![[image loading]](http://lh4.ggpht.com/alexander.dudek/SGk57Xwx6SI/AAAAAAAAAKo/CeGz7Ncweso/IMG_2516.JPG?imgmax=912) | ||
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