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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 22 2008 11:25 GMT
#221
BeSt is over 50% in all the MUs, JD is not even close in the TvZ this season. The situation last season was completely different, Jaedong is totally eclipsed by Flash so far and if he drops the soap against Hwasin I dont see a reason why he should be hailed as the dominating player in the scene.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
June 22 2008 14:59 GMT
#222
So, if other people beats Flash its an accident, but when Best beats Flash is the strike of the universe?
I hardly wait Flash vs Lucifer!

And July on PR, and Lux going up.

Zerg rulz!
I have the ultimate answer, i seek the ultimate question
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
June 22 2008 15:30 GMT
#223
On June 22 2008 15:21 Februarys wrote:
wow I feel like Luxury might go up in rank from beating Flash twice

Jaedong should retake the #1 spot..he's been playing pretty decent while Flash has been shaky
Jaedong has a terrible vt record lately and until he proves otherwise [in a spectacular fashion] he doesn't have what it takes to retake #1. If Flash is to drop, Best is the only candidate.
Can you dig it?
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
June 23 2008 00:03 GMT
#224
I am not at all impressed with Best, and statistically he is 2 games behind best this month over the same number of games, but in the previous month Flash had an extra 6 games plus the classic which is an extra 4 games (maybe 2 but I think the real number is 5 but that is a matter of dates) anyway most of Flash's losses have been because of slips and mistakes (Lux game one it was losing the first vessel when he was about to do a sunken break)

Flash is still the best by far it is just fatigue that is getting to him. (Look at his loss vs free and try telling me I am wrong)
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 23 2008 00:16 GMT
#225
You're wrong.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
June 23 2008 22:14 GMT
#226
Kwanro > Pure
Guess my prediction with him taking a beating to the first strong zerg comes true... After all, his opponent were 2nd or 3 rd class opponents. Plus he took a beat on Katrina, protoss heaven...
Lucifer for PR!
I have the ultimate answer, i seek the ultimate question
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
June 23 2008 23:09 GMT
#227
Uhmm lol? Lucifer lost to Kwanro too. GG
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
June 24 2008 10:02 GMT
#228
Lucifer's crapy form this month isnt an excuse for Pure to be on PR last month, when both had similar PL records, except Lucifer was in two individual leagues too.
But, what do i know....
I have the ultimate answer, i seek the ultimate question
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 24 2008 14:09 GMT
#229
On June 24 2008 19:02 Phradamon wrote:
Lucifer's crapy form this month isnt an excuse for Pure to be on PR last month, when both had similar PL records, except Lucifer was in two individual leagues too.
But, what do i know....


nothing
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
June 24 2008 18:58 GMT
#230
On June 23 2008 00:30 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2008 15:21 Februarys wrote:
wow I feel like Luxury might go up in rank from beating Flash twice

Jaedong should retake the #1 spot..he's been playing pretty decent while Flash has been shaky
Jaedong has a terrible vt record lately and until he proves otherwise [in a spectacular fashion] he doesn't have what it takes to retake #1. If Flash is to drop, Best is the only candidate.

The top spots are lying solely on the JD-Hwasin and Best-Luxury series. If Best does not beat Luxury, there is no way, NO way he will be #1.
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 03:51:22
June 25 2008 01:25 GMT
#231
On June 25 2008 03:58 TheTyranid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2008 00:30 ScarFace wrote:
On June 22 2008 15:21 Februarys wrote:
wow I feel like Luxury might go up in rank from beating Flash twice

Jaedong should retake the #1 spot..he's been playing pretty decent while Flash has been shaky
Jaedong has a terrible vt record lately and until he proves otherwise [in a spectacular fashion] he doesn't have what it takes to retake #1. If Flash is to drop, Best is the only candidate.

The top spots are lying solely on the JD-Hwasin and Best-Luxury series. If Best does not beat Luxury, there is no way, NO way he will be #1.
Just as there is no way, NO way Jd will be above 5 if he loses to Hwasin. Hes only been beating Zergs and low tier terrans lately, if he loses to Hwasin in bad form, I don't see much keeping him up there, above Hwasin, Best, Flash, Much, Kal, etc. Flash can still keep his number 1 spot, he showed good form in the start of the month, bad form in the middle. If he plays well towards the end, and crushes lomo, he could retain it- though hardly. Again, relies on the jd-hwasin and best-luxury series, and even then if Flash stays its only because he looked so damn solid only a few weeks ago, and it would be a little quick to knock him out of first because of one dropped series and two dropped pl games.
Can you dig it?
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 18:16:36
June 25 2008 18:14 GMT
#232
On June 25 2008 10:25 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 03:58 TheTyranid wrote:
On June 23 2008 00:30 ScarFace wrote:
On June 22 2008 15:21 Februarys wrote:
wow I feel like Luxury might go up in rank from beating Flash twice

Jaedong should retake the #1 spot..he's been playing pretty decent while Flash has been shaky
Jaedong has a terrible vt record lately and until he proves otherwise [in a spectacular fashion] he doesn't have what it takes to retake #1. If Flash is to drop, Best is the only candidate.

The top spots are lying solely on the JD-Hwasin and Best-Luxury series. If Best does not beat Luxury, there is no way, NO way he will be #1.
Just as there is no way, NO way Jd will be above 5 if he loses to Hwasin. Hes only been beating Zergs and low tier terrans lately, if he loses to Hwasin in bad form, I don't see much keeping him up there, above Hwasin, Best, Flash, Much, Kal, etc. Flash can still keep his number 1 spot, he showed good form in the start of the month, bad form in the middle. If he plays well towards the end, and crushes lomo, he could retain it- though hardly. Again, relies on the jd-hwasin and best-luxury series, and even then if Flash stays its only because he looked so damn solid only a few weeks ago, and it would be a little quick to knock him out of first because of one dropped series and two dropped pl games.


Actually Flash would be lucky if he stays in top 3 with luxury / best and JD /Hwasin out there .Of course the series with Lomo is the bigest thing that could lower Flash in the PR .Lomo has a chance to skyrocked up the PR next month if he beats Flash and if it is a good series thought he has proven to me that he is a good TvTer and his strategys are really good efective and entertaining (TvZ) .Nada Mind Kal and Pure may get out of the PR with all the new talent that is shown in MSL/OSL and Lecaf .
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 19:53:15
June 25 2008 19:50 GMT
#233
On June 25 2008 10:25 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 03:58 TheTyranid wrote:
On June 23 2008 00:30 ScarFace wrote:
On June 22 2008 15:21 Februarys wrote:
wow I feel like Luxury might go up in rank from beating Flash twice

Jaedong should retake the #1 spot..he's been playing pretty decent while Flash has been shaky
Jaedong has a terrible vt record lately and until he proves otherwise [in a spectacular fashion] he doesn't have what it takes to retake #1. If Flash is to drop, Best is the only candidate.

The top spots are lying solely on the JD-Hwasin and Best-Luxury series. If Best does not beat Luxury, there is no way, NO way he will be #1.
Just as there is no way, NO way Jd will be above 5 if he loses to Hwasin. Hes only been beating Zergs and low tier terrans lately, if he loses to Hwasin in bad form, I don't see much keeping him up there, above Hwasin, Best, Flash, Much, Kal, etc. Flash can still keep his number 1 spot, he showed good form in the start of the month, bad form in the middle. If he plays well towards the end, and crushes lomo, he could retain it- though hardly. Again, relies on the jd-hwasin and best-luxury series, and even then if Flash stays its only because he looked so damn solid only a few weeks ago, and it would be a little quick to knock him out of first because of one dropped series and two dropped pl games.

Why not, Jaedong can have the 4'th spot under Hwasin, Flash, and Hwasin. If he gets raped in the series he will probably get 5'th under Much but if he plays well then he will be 4'th imo. Much is just not as strong a player as Jaedong atm. You say he has been beating Zergs and bad terrans lately. That is true but don't forget that Jaedong would demolish any Protoss at this moment.

Here is how the PR will look based on series outcomes. (considering the PR will be after the Flash/Lomo series on July 4)

Jaedong beats Hwasin, Luxury beats Best, Flash beats Lomo ----> Luxury moves into top spot over either Hwasin, Best or both (possibly 5'th spot if the games are uninspiring). Flash 1, JD 2.

Hwasin > JD, Lux > Best, Flash > Lomo. Flash 1, Hwasin 2, Best/Lux 3/4, JD 5.

JD > Hwasin, Best > Lux, Flash > Lomo. Flash1, JD/Best 2/3 depends on who played better but advantage is toward JD. Much 4.

JD > Hwasin, Lux > Best, Lomo > Flash. JD/Flash 1/2 again depending on game quality but in this case Flash for 1st is highly unlikely. Lux 3, Much 4, Lomo/Hwasin 5/6 possibly.

Hwasin > JD, Best > Lux, Flash > Lomo. Flash 1, Best 2, Hwasin 3, JD/Much 4/5 depending on how well JD plays.

Hwasin > JD, Best > Lux, Lomo > Flash. Best 1, Hwasin 2, Flash 3.

The only way best can get 1'st is if Flash AND Jaedong loose their series.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
June 25 2008 23:30 GMT
#234
Fun Fact: The reason Best isn't in MSL is because Lucifer knocked him out in offlines.

The PR picture will be much clearer in two days.
TarsTarkas
Profile Joined April 2007
United States169 Posts
June 25 2008 23:43 GMT
#235
we already knew that Lucifer was good at cheese
Those who think they know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do. - Mark Twain
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-26 05:57:51
June 26 2008 05:42 GMT
#236
On June 25 2008 10:25 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 03:58 TheTyranid wrote:
On June 23 2008 00:30 ScarFace wrote:
On June 22 2008 15:21 Februarys wrote:
wow I feel like Luxury might go up in rank from beating Flash twice

Jaedong should retake the #1 spot..he's been playing pretty decent while Flash has been shaky
Jaedong has a terrible vt record lately and until he proves otherwise [in a spectacular fashion] he doesn't have what it takes to retake #1. If Flash is to drop, Best is the only candidate.

The top spots are lying solely on the JD-Hwasin and Best-Luxury series. If Best does not beat Luxury, there is no way, NO way he will be #1.
Just as there is no way, NO way Jd will be above 5 if he loses to Hwasin. Hes only been beating Zergs and low tier terrans lately, if he loses to Hwasin in bad form, I don't see much keeping him up there, above Hwasin, Best, Flash, Much, Kal, etc. Flash can still keep his number 1 spot, he showed good form in the start of the month, bad form in the middle. If he plays well towards the end, and crushes lomo, he could retain it- though hardly. Again, relies on the jd-hwasin and best-luxury series, and even then if Flash stays its only because he looked so damn solid only a few weeks ago, and it would be a little quick to knock him out of first because of one dropped series and two dropped pl games.


I thought PR Rank was all about who is the most dominant player in the starcraft scene at the moment..not about how they've been doing from the last 3 or 4 games? If so, Jaedong/ Flash have been shaky at the moment but they've had their share of dominance lately to hold their top two spots for a while...a few games that they lose isn't going to make a difference. Just because they're in their prime does not mean they can win every single game

Yes, Jaedong has been losing to lots of terrans lately and if he loses to hwasin in BO5, I agree that he is falling but he still remains the dominant player of this starcraft time. If we follow your logic, then Flash shouldn't keep his number 1 spot. Because your argument is based on current matchup results and Flash has been losing games here and there, and even let Luxury knock him off of OSL. Even though i admit I'm biased toward JD, I can totally see that from the logic and tone of your post that you are biased toward Flash
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 26 2008 10:54 GMT
#237
oh oh oh oh OH OH OH OH OH

Hwasin vs Jaedong is a prediction i'm certainly not upset i was wrong on
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 26 2008 13:52 GMT
#238
On June 24 2008 19:02 Phradamon wrote:
Lucifer's crapy form this month isnt an excuse for Pure to be on PR last month, when both had similar PL records, except Lucifer was in two individual leagues too.
But, what do i know....

lucifer got raped by kwanro too. so yeah what do you know? and lucifer is like 0-5 or 0-6 in all of his recent games. lucifer sucks stop sucking his dick.

the old katrina statement is so false now after zergs learning out how to play on it and the flash build.
Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-26 13:54:46
June 26 2008 13:53 GMT
#239
So JD> Hwasin.
So
1- Flash
2- Jaedong
until now.
If Flash lose to Lomo, there will be 1- JD, 2- Flash.
If Lux beats Best, Lux will take 3rd, but if Best beats Lux, there will be a tough one for FS...

What about if Lucifer beats Flash? Does that mean Flsh will be 2nd and Lucifer in PR?
I have the ultimate answer, i seek the ultimate question
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 26 2008 13:58 GMT
#240
hero beat flash on a terran favored map and hes not on power rank. LUCIFER IS A CHEESY PLAYER AND SUCKS STOP THINKING HES GOD'S GIFT TO PROGAMING.

christ do you guys even watch lucifer's games? he's really nothing special.
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