ok so : January

sea pass his MSL group with a 2-0 and a comeback
pass his OSL group with a 2-1 and a solid play (loss against rock on Katrina )

Savior pass his group with 2-0 with a great game against nada

yarnc pass his group with 2-1 (loss against nada )

light choked, he lost 0-2

sea is looking very good, and savior had a great match

Gerpu

Croatia77 Posts

January 04 2008 13:46 GMT

#122

unrealistic PR.. those ups and downs are unrealistic. But it's not important, Savior will rape Sea, Much and Stork every time he'll play with them. Only that is important, real strenght of some player, not unrealistic wishes of some ppl.

boghat

United States2109 Posts

January 04 2008 13:47 GMT

#123

Mine and Steve's boys gettin' it done. =) I like Sea a lot too, I'm glad he beat Midas actually. Rock is still laaaaaaaame. And Savior is in both leagues for the 4th time in a row. When people think someone who just made both leagues for the the 4th time in a row is slumping that says something about the player.

Gerpu

Croatia77 Posts

January 04 2008 13:57 GMT

#124

i mean, Savior can't be no7 in any way, FakeSteve can write new manifesto and he will be wrong with Savior at no7. I mean, Light is still in top10. Joke or what? Light has so many credits and Savior who is top3 players last few years has no credits.. Light was 2:2 in december and still top10. Unrealistic... If Savior was 2:2 in December then he would lost top10 if you ask FakeSteve.. Such a great player can't be judged after presentation in one month, specially he played only 3 games. Unrealistic LOL ROFL and so on..

boghat

United States2109 Posts

January 04 2008 14:00 GMT

#125

Do you even watch any matches Gerpu?

Metallingus

Philippines468 Posts

January 04 2008 14:03 GMT

#126

Which is why it's the Power Ranking for that month, isn't it? It's not like the January PR is rating Savior's performance in general; it's just there to tell us that his performance for December-January was bad compared to the previous month where he came in at #2. Being a Savior fan myself, I can't say that his place in the PR for this month is entirely wrong; he _did_ lose to FBH TWICE. Like the PR says, December-January was a bad month for Savior.

So simply put, monthly PR != lifetime/all-time PR. It just means that Savior isn't performing up to his standard, is all.

OT: Inter.Mind giving FBH the thumb down = priceless

Edit: This was directed at Gerpu, by the way

Gerpu

Croatia77 Posts

January 04 2008 14:13 GMT

#127

i know it is for one month but he can't be no7 if he played only 3 games in proleague... If you judge by that then he is not even in top10... But every month has some credits from last one.. And everything is clear when we see Light in top10, he can't deserve it..

By FakeSteve this could look like tihs if Jaedong in Jan will play only 3 proleague games: 7. Jaedong ...

Nick_54

United States2230 Posts

January 04 2008 16:04 GMT

#128

Rank looks really good FakeSteve.

I can't believe people are arguing for Bisu to be lower than 2, that's just ridiculious. I see why you get upset when people criticize your Sea selections.

Good rank hope to see Bisu back at number 1 next month, as well as Savior being higher.

VioleTAK

4315 Posts

January 04 2008 16:56 GMT

#129

Sea is by far the most impressive player as of late.
All those games he played... as soon as I was finaly able to somehow pick up my mouth from the floor- it dropped right back down again, I mean HOLY S**T amazing stuff, top notch quality, extreme fun to watch every single move, the kid is on fire, right now his game is the stuff of genius legends. He should freaking win dual title this season :-) I hope the pressure of two starleagues won't get to him! He always had what it takes, but right now he is perfect, just play your game Sea, you'll get yours! and it really is yours! ALL of it! Just take it!!!

joeki

Sweden292 Posts

January 04 2008 18:16 GMT

#130

On January 04 2008 23:03 Metallingus wrote:
So simply put, monthly PR != lifetime/all-time PR. It just means that Savior isn't performing up to his standard, is all.

After trying to figure out how the monthly power rank really works this seems to be the most logical explanation.

I got 100 different answers depending on what player we talked about the last power rank so I think it's safe to say that the "rising/falling" factor has a bigger impact on Steves decision than we all think. Sea is rising since he was average before and are doing good right now (even though Sea is on the list every single time for different reasons. Sometimes proleague records, sometimes even just potential to finally qualify for a league). Savior was god, but it isn't god anymore. And since the "you are biased towards Sea" argument gets countered with "haven't you seen the games?" the only reasonable explanation is that players are ranked very invididually and shouldn't be compared to who's above or below him. I mean the evidence is right there. Someone earlier wrote that Savior has qualified for both leagues 4 seasons in a row while Sea still struggled in qualifiers til now. You can twist around all you want, but there's just no question who's the better player.

All discussions here eventually ends with opinions and taste. "I see his brilliance and you do not" which is why I gave up on understanding. Some defend this list to death, but in the end it's just a personal ranking from someone with favorite players like everybody else and with more than average knowledge about the starcraft leagues.

Gerpu

Croatia77 Posts

January 04 2008 18:38 GMT

#131

10 ppl should do PR, then it would make sence and then it would be closer to real situation

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

January 04 2008 19:30 GMT

#132

On January 05 2008 03:38 Gerpu wrote:
10 ppl should do PR, then it would make sence and then it would be closer to real situation

Why? It's fine as it is, and is an accurate reflection of who's where in the upper echelons of progaming.

For those who say that Stork's PvZ sucks, sure when contrasted with 64.04% PvT and 68.12% PvP it seems horrendous having only a PvZ of 50%. In my opinion taking it from statistics is flawed because Stork, seeing as he's usually in the later stages of the leagues, always ends up facing the really good Zerg players. From the beginning of GomTVMSL3, his PvZ losses have been to sAviOr (ZvP rapist), GGPlay (+ Show Spoiler +

a bit dodgy but he can be really fucking good at times, beating Bisu recently in that Grand Prix thing in a long game. Maybe Bisu didn't play his usual style, but he's still Bisu

), Luxury (this loss is a bit suspect, bad scouting led him to getting run over by mass speedling), and then the 3-1 loss to Jaedong.

Yes, his PvZ needs work, but it's not shit, it's just not up to the caliber of the Zerg's he ends up meeting in the individual leagues (although the loss to GGPlay was in Proleague, where Stork is known to be really strong).

My opinion.

TheTyranid

Russian Federation4333 Posts

January 04 2008 20:35 GMT

#133

After yesterday's games I am certain that Yellow[arnc] should be above Light. If only their ODT groups were played in December, then Light would certainly get the boot from the PR. The bottom ranks should look like this.

8. Flash
9. Xellos
10.Yarnc
or

8. Flash
9. Yarnc
10. Xellos

boghat

United States2109 Posts

January 04 2008 23:21 GMT

#134

Yarnc has always been really good, and Luxury maybe even better, but Steve knows exactly what he's talking about, they've never been able to show anything yet. We'll see what happens.

Emptyness

Bulgaria1016 Posts

January 04 2008 23:29 GMT

#135

Stork's opportunity to prove himself a champion and not just a grinning nerd is slowly slipping through his fingers.

He can't prove anything, because that's what he is

.

Anyway, I like this month Power rank

and looking forward for the next month

TheTyranid

Russian Federation4333 Posts

January 05 2008 01:30 GMT

#136

On January 05 2008 08:21 boghat wrote:
Yarnc has always been really good, and Luxury maybe even better, but Steve knows exactly what he's talking about, they've never been able to show anything yet. We'll see what happens.

Yesterday's games (where Yarnc advanced from his group, and Light got 0-2'ed from his) would be very decisive in fighuring out the bottom spots. Now if they were played before this PR was made, then Yarnc would get 9'th or 10'th spot and Light would be out.

kpcrew

Korea (South)1071 Posts

January 05 2008 01:50 GMT

#137

i was surprised because yarnc and anytime have been pretty dominant and hiya and 815 havent been bad either in the proleague

if you saw 815 vs sea, despite it being on blue storm, the zvt happy map, sea couldn't do anything as 815 raped him with cracklings and no ultras despite having 4 secure gases

kpcrew

Korea (South)1071 Posts

January 05 2008 01:55 GMT

#138

i guess i accept your powerrank
but if you saw savior's art on katrina vs hwasin

in that game, he was more than a shadow of the zvt monster that he used to be

Play

Australia608 Posts

January 05 2008 02:58 GMT

#139

yay flash finally made it

he is going to roll everyone soon :D

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

January 05 2008 04:19 GMT

#140

On January 05 2008 10:30 TheTyranid wrote:

Show nested quote +

That's entirely true

A lot of Power Rank decision-making is based on a player's momentum and how strong they look compared to their competition during the month's games. December was a very quiet month for a lot of players so its hard to move certain guys around. I basically have to decide who has impressed me enough to move ahead of them and then move them down accordingly. Light stayed on the list because his December wasn't enough to guage any real fluctuations his current strength, and there weren't any other candidates that deserved the spot more. At the beginning of February the rank will obviously change according to who's playing well and who's losing their shit.