EPTTime Machine Tournament Winner?
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lololol
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DrainX
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lololol
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
I voted for Bisu btw | ||
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satanslittlehelper
United States114 Posts
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On November 12 2007 03:43 satanslittlehelper wrote: its a poll about the player in his prime would win a tournament Rather, its who would win a tournament consisting of all the players in that poll. | ||
Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
On November 12 2007 03:52 Wasabi wrote: -_- @ Boxer voters. What's he going to do, lockdown Bisu's Arbiters while his whole base gets run down by a massive army? Or destroy a Zerg's one hatchery with his "pimp" micro, while he's forced to lift his buildings since the swarm is razing his base? No matter what the question is, as long as Boxer is one of the answers he will win. Goes without saying who I voted on btw =) | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
Otherwise, you'll always get this or reach if boxer isn't there, no matter what the poll is about :/ | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
Otherwise with "inflation", for me its Nal_rA in his prime because he is the only player in the list who had no one who you could pair up as a "rival". rA's dominance is unique because he won through playing like no one had before, which is why for a period no one could counter it. Every other player during their 'peak' still had a rival that could match them head to toe. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
srsly if you went back and read the tourney threads from the old days, the amount of boxer fanboyism was either cute or excessive and obnoxious. sorry guys, but boxer is no good. the blind fanboyism is an impairment, making one unable to appreciate the true shifts in the game, and give new players some bad rap. if you are nostalgic, get nostalgic over phases of the game, like any other mature sports fan. if we do not share your bias, your biased remarks appear ridiculous and sometimes idiotic, rather than cute or sympathetic. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
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XCetron
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
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jngngshk321
Korea (South)457 Posts
not as "players in their peak using only skills they learned from their time period" ie. everyone on this list has about a month to practice before the tournament (a la Dragon Ball) because of this, I believe boxer would destroy everyone on this list. | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + bisu is a time traveler EZ | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On November 12 2007 04:13 FireBlast! wrote: Otherwise with "inflation", for me its Nal_rA in his prime because he is the only player in the list who had no one who you could pair up as a "rival". rA's dominance is unique because he won through playing like no one had before, which is why for a period no one could counter it. Exactly my thought and my reason going for rA on this poll. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 12 2007 04:13 FireBlast! wrote: If we take into consideration that the play level now is astronomically advanced compared to that during 2001, only Savior and Bisu would be contenders for this poll. Otherwise with "inflation", for me its Nal_rA in his prime because he is the only player in the list who had no one who you could pair up as a "rival". rA's dominance is unique because he won through playing like no one had before, which is why for a period no one could counter it. Every other player during their 'peak' still had a rival that could match them head to toe. alot of these players had no rivals, thats why they were considered dominant. the 2nd best player during the period was closer for some than others, but who could really match savior or oov during their peaks? | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
as for the poll, bisu 2007 or savior 2006, all the others are simply too long time ago =/ | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
2005 July? More like 2003, and 2004. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 12 2007 05:51 oneofthem wrote: did ra ever dominate anyway. Not really. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
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Storchen
Sweden4385 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
'02 Reach, then. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
On November 12 2007 05:27 IdrA wrote: alot of these players had no rivals, thats why they were considered dominant. the 2nd best player during the period was closer for some than others, but who could really match savior or oov during their peaks? bisu, chojja >> savior savior, xellos >> oov | ||
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azndng
United States344 Posts
also, nada had another rise a few years back when he won the golden mouse. (i personally didn't follow nada during his early years, so i can't really tell if he was truly awesome 2003). btw, voted for boxer. his gameplay was so pimp. | ||
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Sadist
United States7228 Posts
oov wins hands down IMO he and boxer are 1 and 2 in influencing the way that bw is playing today. | ||
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Byyk
457 Posts
On November 12 2007 06:34 Last Romantic wrote: No 2003 YellOw? I'm disappointed. '02 Reach, then. Yellow cannot win anything, especially not the best of all time tournament. | ||
Mynock
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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i.play.ZERG
Canada276 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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diggurd
Norway346 Posts
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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StarN
United States2587 Posts
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Pressure
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second 06 savior third 07 bisu | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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fanatacist
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
no other player on this list was even close to capable of going on a 27 win streak in any matchup like oov did | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
that was the most dominant player I've ever seen. It seemed like if the game lasted more than 15min he would win. | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
close one i think, although i missed most of oov's dominance back in the day (just seen stats and accounts and some vods) | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
but a very strong case can be made for 04 oov 01 Boxer is a joke. Boxer was amazing, creative, transcended the game, more than a starcraft player, launched the whole movement, innovative, wonderful, walked on water... but he was never dominant like the rest. 02 Nada is probably third best candidate, after 06 Savior and 04 oov. However, he gets a few points knocked off because of the quirkly play factor. 02 Reach... The whole point of Reach as a player and a star is that he's not dominant. He's dramatic. 03 GoRush. nullified by 03 Nada and 03 July 04 Nal_Ra. Also a wonderful player, but one word: Paradoxxx 05 July. Severely underrated. I honestly think that if he were better looking he'd be as popular as Reach. Fall Anytime. Sorry, indiv leagues matter. 07 Bisu. Looks unstoppable, no? Considering that it's more difficult now than ever to be across-the-board dominant, he could make this poll moot if he keeps it up for a little longer. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
Oov Savior Boxer/Nada. They were all so ridiculously unbeatable during their primes though so it's hard to choose. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
On November 12 2007 06:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i almost clicked 2007 bisu right away, but july showed complete mastery in all matchups that is really still applicable today So does that mean you're among the 2% who voted with me for July? | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On November 12 2007 10:21 Pressure wrote: 04 oov second 06 savior third 07 bisu Sounds about right. Actually, spots 2 and 3 might as well be empty since oov's worst matchup in his prime was stronger than both bisu's and savior's best matchup. The battle reports in the tournament forum were incredible, as soon as oov popped out people basically said gg oov 4-0 opponent's team. Despite the numerous superbly written reports by mensrea, the following Waxangel report remains my favorite for pure hilarity: 4Union vs Suma GO This match was the final matchup of the Losers' Bracket, the winning team going to the grand final, and the losing team getting 3rd place. KTF already got their ticket to the finals, the winner of week's match would go on to face them. 1: Xellos(GO) defeated Kos(4U) on Enter the Dragon 2: Xellos(GO) defeated IntoTheRainbow(4U) on Detonation_Xnote Looks pretty good for GO, doesn't it? 3: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Xellos(GO) on JR's Memory 4: ILoveoov(4U) defeated ForU(GO, wouldn't it be funny if he was on 4U?) on Parallellines 5: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Nal_rA(GO) on Enter the Dragon 6: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Eros~Rage(GO) on Detonation_Xnote 4Union 4 : 2 GO | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
on teamliquid no matter the poll - if boxer is an option he will win. eg Greatest Zerg of all time? 1) Boxer 2) Savior 3) July | ||
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ray1234
Canada679 Posts
2) Savior 3) Boxer what is with all these bisu lovers, not even close to being dominant the like the other great players | ||
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Adaptation
Canada427 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
On November 12 2007 12:17 HonestTea wrote: Voted for 06 Savior but a very strong case can be made for 04 oov 01 Boxer is a joke. Boxer was amazing, creative, transcended the game, more than a starcraft player, launched the whole movement, innovative, wonderful, walked on water... but he was never dominant like the rest. 02 Nada is probably third best candidate, after 06 Savior and 04 oov. However, he gets a few points knocked off because of the quirkly play factor. 02 Reach... The whole point of Reach as a player and a star is that he's not dominant. He's dramatic. 03 GoRush. nullified by 03 Nada and 03 July 04 Nal_Ra. Also a wonderful player, but one word: Paradoxxx 05 July. Severely underrated. I honestly think that if he were better looking he'd be as popular as Reach. Fall Anytime. Sorry, indiv leagues matter. 07 Bisu. Looks unstoppable, no? Considering that it's more difficult now than ever to be across-the-board dominant, he could make this poll moot if he keeps it up for a little longer. brilliant agree 100% | ||
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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entityrj
United States185 Posts
If the Poll maker wanted "Most Dominant Player of their Era", I think he would have put something along the lines of "Most Dominant Player of their Era?" as the question. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On November 12 2007 16:29 entityrj wrote: ...how did a poll about a time machine tournament end up being so bastardized. If the Poll maker wanted "Most Dominant Player of their Era", I think he would have put something along the lines of "Most Dominant Player of their Era?" as the question. Yes definitely, I concur. In terms of pure relative domination, oov is the most obvious choice, no question. | ||
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CustomXSpunjah
United States1093 Posts
but seriously, oov should be winning this poll with boxer second.....wtf is savior even doing up there????? | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
Then, he comes back and wins the Golden Mouse. So yeah, I have a hard time with not giving NaDa #1. Then again, I haven't been around as much lately. Another factor, when NaDa played all match series were played on that single day, so there wasn't this bullshit about spreading it out for 3 weeks lol. I still remember that insane shit of best of 7 MSL with GoRush. Could we change it to, KT-KTF NaDa? You know, 16-1 NaDa? K THX | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
edit: but actually i dont think boxer real prime was on 2001, 2001 was his dominant year but after like 2003-2006 he showed amazing games and beat quite alot of ppl | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
On November 12 2007 03:52 Wasabi wrote: -_- @ Boxer voters. What's he going to do, lockdown Bisu's Arbiters while his whole base gets run down by a massive army? Or destroy a Zerg's one hatchery with his "pimp" micro, while he's forced to lift his buildings since the swarm is razing his base? way to degrade one of the greatest players in e-sports history. in case you didn't notice, you can dominate starcraft in many different ways. you can't just assume that the latest trends are the best and counter all that preceded them. in 2001, boxer dominated with his brilliant micro, and today early game tends to be buildup for both sides, and mid-late game being where players diverge. this does not however mean that boxer in 2001 would get slammed today. look at stork vs iris semis, where iris chose an oldschool strat 3x in a row and crushed stork with ease, who had like 83% vs t or something. also look at the lack of dropship protection nowadays in pvt... and of course a micro style tvz is viable even today, just not as much since the muta overlord trick. you really show so much disrespect... | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
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beyondie
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RaiZ
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I'm really tired about who-has-the-big-d*ck pools... | ||
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SirSimon
Sweden8 Posts
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kamehameha
Ukraine152 Posts
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
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Shinrai
Philippines17 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 12 2007 13:27 iamke55 wrote: Sounds about right. Actually, spots 2 and 3 might as well be empty since oov's worst matchup in his prime was stronger than both bisu's and savior's best matchup. The battle reports in the tournament forum were incredible, as soon as oov popped out people basically said gg oov 4-0 opponent's team. Despite the numerous superbly written reports by mensrea, the following Waxangel report remains my favorite for pure hilarity: 4Union vs Suma GO This match was the final matchup of the Losers' Bracket, the winning team going to the grand final, and the losing team getting 3rd place. KTF already got their ticket to the finals, the winner of week's match would go on to face them. 1: Xellos(GO) defeated Kos(4U) on Enter the Dragon 2: Xellos(GO) defeated IntoTheRainbow(4U) on Detonation_Xnote Looks pretty good for GO, doesn't it? 3: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Xellos(GO) on JR's Memory 4: ILoveoov(4U) defeated ForU(GO, wouldn't it be funny if he was on 4U?) on Parallellines 5: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Nal_rA(GO) on Enter the Dragon 6: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Eros~Rage(GO) on Detonation_Xnote 4Union 4 : 2 GO And then oov met july in the Gillette OSL and the ITV League... And both of those leagues should be considered to be during oov's period of dominance considering when they were. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 12 2007 23:57 SirSimon wrote: roflI just love it how ppl come down on boxer 24/7, at his best, in 2001 boxer would've beaten savior aswell as bisu and all the stupid noob players, you guys are just so jealous boxers still in top of his fame after like 6-7 years of fame. learn to live with it noobs, or do it better yourselves. i see a bunch of hilarious assertions and a messy nonsequitur implied argument. have you ever watched 2001 boxer? | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
I voted Nada, becouse he is the best player ever. | ||
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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morfyy
Romania593 Posts
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
IMO, the only candidates that should be discussed are: 06 Savior, 04 Oov, 05 July, 07 Bisu and possibly 02 Nada. What further complicates this discussion is that almost all of the former bonjwas were dethroned by each other. Only possible exception was July, and he lost an OSL final to Oov. 02 Nada : He had incredible force, but I feel his suit, strong mechanics, are being duplicated by too many of today's players. He might do well, but I doubt he can win. 04 Oov: Oov never could beat Savior. In fact, Savior's trademark ZvT style was first demonstrated by his beating Oov at his prime repeatedly. No chance. 05 July: Didn't dominate to that extent as the other bonjwas. Was beaten by Nada in Panasonic, and beat Oov in his first OSL by the slimmest of margins. ZvZ vs Savior is a crapshoot (I don't know enough about that MU really), and even his dominating ZvP would run into Bisu, whose control and timing are eons ahead of the tosses he used to rape. If ForU could beat July on Requiem, Bisu will figure out a way in a bo5. 06 Savior: Now we're talking. Two of the only real candidates imo. At his prime, he an imposing force: play as smooth as water, flawless decision making down to correct scouting direction. Definite win if Oov or July somehow knock out Bisu early. 07 Bisu: SC progaming constantly improves by leap and bounds, and usually the strongest ever is the strongest currently. | ||
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HaiVan
Bulgaria1698 Posts
Most accomplished player ever. | ||
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xmShake
United States1100 Posts
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archaean
United States1 Post
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demonic_phate
United States442 Posts
and he is awesome... though if I were to actually think about this i would vote bisu | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
But true about Bisu, the best currently is usually the best ever. Same in the Olympics, new world records constantly. | ||
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On November 13 2007 05:24 Aphelion wrote: 05 July: Didn't dominate to that extent as the other bonjwas. Was beaten by Nada in Panasonic, and beat Oov in his first OSL by the slimmest of margins Don't you remember Xellos shaking his head during games 1 and 5 of that series and saying "its impossible to win when a zerg plays so perfectly"? Those two games were utter domination from start to finish in a period when NO ONE could do that to oov everything else you said is bang-on i'm just correcting that bit  | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On November 12 2007 04:13 FireBlast! wrote: Very well put. Day Dreamer FTWIf we take into consideration that the play level now is astronomically advanced compared to that during 2001, only Savior and Bisu would be contenders for this poll. Otherwise with "inflation", for me its Nal_rA in his prime because he is the only player in the list who had no one who you could pair up as a "rival". rA's dominance is unique because he won through playing like no one had before, which is why for a period no one could counter it. Every other player during their 'peak' still had a rival that could match them head to toe. | ||
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b(O.o)p
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lololol
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Btw, it's obviously 2007 Bisu, the game is constantly evolving and the most dominant player currently would be the most dominant player ever. | ||
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Overlord
Romania651 Posts
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boudiou
France190 Posts
Someway you could almost say he shouldn't be in the list since his dominance period isn't over yet. But well there would have been allover flaming if he wasn't in that list so... granted you take him off the list I would go for savior, no wait oov, no savior definitely... wait haaaaa Ok I am glad I could vote bisu :p | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19135 Posts
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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Simplistik
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Why did you put 2002 Nada though, instead of a ShinHan Masters Nada? | ||
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taktak
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MEGA MASS A-Klick GG!!!!!! | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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i.play.ZERG
Canada276 Posts
But sAviOr did exist, and killed Nada in his prime | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
WHERE THE FREAK IS XELLOS? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 12 2007 16:01 jkillashark wrote: I voted and stand by that 2004 iloveoov was probably the most dominant player. Nobody ever graced or ungraced the StarCraft world in macro. People just could not keep up. Beast in all matchups. agreed! | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 14 2007 12:08 i.play.ZERG wrote: ha ha ha If sAviOr didn't exist in 2006, Nada would've been dominating OSL again.. and everyone would have said he was in his prime again But sAviOr did exist, and killed Nada in his prime | ||
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to miss the mark
Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/906/rovjulyrockay4.gif) | ||
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
His prime is 2005, along with Nada's (second?) peak period | ||
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
On November 15 2007 00:01 to miss the mark wrote: A ccertain Zerg... That was July vs Pusan right? lol @ this pic | ||
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to miss the mark
Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 12 2007 23:57 SirSimon wrote: I hope this is sarcasm. I just love it how ppl come down on boxer 24/7, at his best, in 2001 boxer would've beaten savior aswell as bisu and all the stupid noob players, you guys are just so jealous boxers still in top of his fame after like 6-7 years of fame. learn to live with it noobs, or do it better yourselves. I chose NaDa over sAviOr. I haven't watched many old school Oov games though so I'll check those out this weekend. NaDa in his prime seemed like the most complete dominator. | ||
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Response
United States1936 Posts
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Gyabo
United States329 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
Chojja at his prime was one of the scariest zergs alive. He was the only player in the world capable of consistently beating Savior, taking him out in not one but TWO bo series in the same tournament. He made consecutive MSL+OSL finals back-to-back. Reach and Anytime's peaks weren't really dominant at all. rA and July's peaks had their moments but are wildly overrated. Both were far from invincible even at their primes. Oov easily had the best reign of all. Probably no one will ever dominate the way he did again. But Bisu will be the favorite to win the tournament, no doubt. | ||
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 15 2007 05:50 tfeign wrote: Why is chojja missing from the poll? Chojja at his prime was one of the scariest zergs alive. He was the only player in the world capable of consistently beating Savior, taking him out in not one but TWO bo series in the same tournament. He made consecutive MSL+OSL finals back-to-back. Reach and Anytime's peaks weren't really dominant at all. rA and July's peaks had their moments but are wildly overrated. Both were far from invincible even at their primes. Oov easily had the best reign of all. Probably no one will ever dominate the way he did again. But Bisu will be the favorite to win the tournament, no doubt. July's peak is overrated? He won two OSLs, and placed second in two other OSLs. This means that he's had more success in OSL than any other zerg player. He was the first zerg to win an OSL and he still doubles the OSL win count of any other zerg player. July also won the 2004 KT-KTF Premier league (which had an insane list of participants), and the ITV League and he did this all in the span of about a year. It's true that July never dominated; he never appeared to be invincible.This is because his style didn't lend itself to domination. But it should be said that the most invincible-looking player of any era, iloveoov, stopped looking so hot because of July. Am I the only one that remembers how much of a shock it was when the invincible oov lost to July in the semifinals of the Gillette OSL, and how July then proved that it was not a fluke by utterly dominating oov in the ITV League? Despite the fact that he never appeared to be invincible, July's accomplishments during his peak easily rival those of Savior. Chojja belongs in this poll about as much as gorush. Yeah, they were scary as hell during their respective peaks, but their peaks didn't last long, and their accomplishments are put to shame by others included in the poll. | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On November 15 2007 06:11 jkillashark wrote: WHERE THE HELL IS 2003 XELLOS? WHERE THE HELL IS 2003 YELLOW? D: | ||
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i.play.ZERG
Canada276 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
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Blue
Norway359 Posts
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Axidboy
Latvia95 Posts
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
He would so own up these "new school" players like Bisu and Savior back in his glory days lol :p Tfeign you are stupid. You don't even mention Nada and he is the most accomplished BW player ever....and he was dominating everyone so bad during his reign. | ||
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VioleTAK
4315 Posts
On November 15 2007 00:56 SeBASTa wrote: A ccertain Zerg... That was July vs Pusan right? lol @ this pic Haha great pic, that game was hilarious, July vs Rock: | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
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OmniShoT
United States4 Posts
In his own environment, Boxer revolutionized Starcraft and virtually created the term "micro". He's almost like the Michael Vick of Starcraft (without the dog shit lol.) Many observers say his style was just a show, and with all of his crazy moves, wacky micro, and unreasonable build orders, he won vs almost any top player who confronted him | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 17 2007 13:22 OmniShoT wrote: Hmm, cmon guys did you ever take changes in the game itself into account? sure the mid-late game has become more essential, but have you thought that maybe the sunkens going up 100 hp, or one of the other factors might have contributed to that? No balance changes have occurred since early 2001... | ||
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himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
the game hasn't changed much, its the maps | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On November 17 2007 20:43 oneofthem wrote: pah, boxer revolutionized really nothing. besides starcraft as a whole? | ||
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i.play.ZERG
Canada276 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines550 Posts
but boxer, boxer's plays were innovative and reached new grounds far beyond everyone. if a boxer at his prime and mindset could learn and catch up, his brilliance will still think of innovative ways to defeat his people with royalty and elegance. but savior... the evil dark guy who wore black with creepy eyes that say everything going on in the game... he who beat the terran gods 1 by 1... boxer... nada... oov... ect.. not to mention the top protoss'.... his reign was ruthless and royal, sheer dominance.... but there was this chart thing i found analyzing people's reigns, and savior and oov were both off the charts, far beyond everyone else. but if you look closely at the chart, oov is 200 points above savior. savior of course gets knocked down by bisu | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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b(O.o)p
699 Posts
On November 18 2007 16:52 oneofthem wrote: this would be true if it were, true. but it is not. sadly for you...it defenitly is true! | ||
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yunicyarblejellythou
United States77 Posts
For example, what if you warped Barry Bonds to Babe Ruth's era? Well he actually would never even step foot on the field because blacks could not play professional baseball at that time. Semantical I know but the logic transitions to the current dilemma between starcraft players. Obviously future generations in a vacuum are going to be stronger, as they are going to expand on old techniques and evolve newer, superior abilities. So in the end, trying to answer this question is circuitous and therefore people will tend to vote for their favorite players. | ||
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t0wel
Kyrgyz Republic58 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 18 2007 12:09 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: July destroyed Bisu 1-0 while "not as his prime" and so did boxer, when bisu was at his prime, (though bisu claims he idolizes the two so maybe he threw the game or shit himself?) if they had their skill level and mind set as their dominant era, i'd have to say oov, boxer, nada, or savior. nada was a genious, and he won 3 consecutive OSL's. do you know how hard it is to do that? do you? and he has the highest apm out of the whole poll No, he didn't. | ||
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i.play.ZERG
Canada276 Posts
SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT CONSECUTIVE MEANS! | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On November 12 2007 03:48 Aesop wrote: As I understand this poll it is about "What would happen if the most dominant players of broodwar would play in a single tournament, everyone with the abilities he had while on his peak". Still I do not see how this poll is interesting: I would assume that it is commonly assented that the level of play has risen considerably during the last years, so the average level nowadays is higher than before. Thus I do not see how a 2001 Boxer would be able to defeat a 2007 Bisu or 2006 Savior. A 2001 Boxer won with strategies that no opponents could possibly imagine (and thus counter). So It's fairly obvious that neither would Bisu nor Savior (who actually RELY on the predictability of their opponents most of the times) could beat him. Had there been strats that are still undiscovered, which there aren't. But had there been, boxer would do them. And win. (i know there are 8 more pages of comments since that one but I'm bored and I don't wanna read them). | ||
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gravity
Australia1847 Posts
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