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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
November 11 2007 20:17 GMT
#21
I think Savior at his peak was better than Bisu now. Other than that, the later the better. And one month practice wouldn't help the old players to catch up. The longer the players trained, the better they got.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 11 2007 20:27 GMT
#22
On November 12 2007 04:13 FireBlast! wrote:
If we take into consideration that the play level now is astronomically advanced compared to that during 2001, only Savior and Bisu would be contenders for this poll.

Otherwise with "inflation", for me its Nal_rA in his prime because he is the only player in the list who had no one who you could pair up as a "rival". rA's dominance is unique because he won through playing like no one had before, which is why for a period no one could counter it. Every other player during their 'peak' still had a rival that could match them head to toe.

alot of these players had no rivals, thats why they were considered dominant. the 2nd best player during the period was closer for some than others, but who could really match savior or oov during their peaks?
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
November 11 2007 20:27 GMT
#23
OOVOOVOOV
Aepplet
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden2908 Posts
November 11 2007 20:30 GMT
#24
come on...did you guys see any replays/vods from back then? they'd get crushed vs virtually anyone who's on the current proleague rosters.

as for the poll, bisu 2007 or savior 2006, all the others are simply too long time ago =/
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 11 2007 20:44 GMT
#25
2004 Ra?
2005 July?

More like 2003, and 2004.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 11 2007 20:51 GMT
#26
did ra ever dominate anyway.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 11 2007 20:53 GMT
#27
On November 12 2007 05:51 oneofthem wrote:
did ra ever dominate anyway.


Not really.
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strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-11 20:58:15
November 11 2007 20:57 GMT
#28
I time-machined myself all the way back to the year 2007. Man those were the days...
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Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
November 11 2007 21:10 GMT
#29
bisu obviously
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
November 11 2007 21:34 GMT
#30
No 2003 YellOw? I'm disappointed.

'02 Reach, then.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 11 2007 21:41 GMT
#31
i almost clicked 2007 bisu right away, but july showed complete mastery in all matchups that is really still applicable today
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FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
November 11 2007 21:44 GMT
#32
On November 12 2007 05:27 IdrA wrote:
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On November 12 2007 04:13 FireBlast! wrote:
If we take into consideration that the play level now is astronomically advanced compared to that during 2001, only Savior and Bisu would be contenders for this poll.

Otherwise with "inflation", for me its Nal_rA in his prime because he is the only player in the list who had no one who you could pair up as a "rival". rA's dominance is unique because he won through playing like no one had before, which is why for a period no one could counter it. Every other player during their 'peak' still had a rival that could match them head to toe.

alot of these players had no rivals, thats why they were considered dominant. the 2nd best player during the period was closer for some than others, but who could really match savior or oov during their peaks?


bisu, chojja >> savior

savior, xellos >> oov
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azndng
Profile Joined July 2004
United States344 Posts
November 11 2007 21:44 GMT
#33
i agree with everyone about this poll, you can't compare players skill over 7 years, especially after esports went global and sc camps started to pop up well after boxer's prime.

also, nada had another rise a few years back when he won the golden mouse. (i personally didn't follow nada during his early years, so i can't really tell if he was truly awesome 2003).

btw, voted for boxer. his gameplay was so pimp.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7326 Posts
November 11 2007 21:55 GMT
#34
if we are talking about them relative to their peers at the time of their dominance

oov wins hands down

IMO he and boxer are 1 and 2 in influencing the way that bw is playing today.
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Byyk
Profile Joined December 2004
457 Posts
November 11 2007 23:04 GMT
#35
On November 12 2007 06:34 Last Romantic wrote:
No 2003 YellOw? I'm disappointed.

'02 Reach, then.


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Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
November 11 2007 23:21 GMT
#36
I have no idea what the hell this poll is supposed to mean, but as long as it has NaDa in it, I vote.
puLs.ReADy
Profile Joined November 2005
Bulgaria1301 Posts
November 11 2007 23:42 GMT
#37
Savior ofcourse
i.play.ZERG
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada276 Posts
November 12 2007 00:12 GMT
#38
savior wins all the polls
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
November 12 2007 00:19 GMT
#39
I guess this is with inflation. If it is, then either Boxer or Nada. Both were so crazy dominant in their primes. It was just the way they won their games.

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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 12 2007 00:24 GMT
#40
inflation? historical stats are inflated by inferior competition, not the other way around.
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