• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:21
CET 05:21
KST 13:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 101SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1820Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone I would like to say something about StarCraft StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Elden Ring Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 875 users

Highest rank at WCG this year for a non korean.

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Normal
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-05 12:43:44
October 05 2005 12:43 GMT
#1
Second, with Xellos taking first
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 05 2005 13:36 GMT
#2
Third.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
October 05 2005 13:42 GMT
#3
Depends a lot on the brackets, but I'm going for second, maybe this year testie can beat one of the koreans
I love mankind, its people I hate
DuSkie
Profile Joined November 2004
Czech Republic451 Posts
October 05 2005 13:54 GMT
#4
second
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
October 05 2005 14:53 GMT
#5
entirely bracket dependant
AUSSIESCUM
TeamLiquid eSTROgeneral #1 • RIP
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
October 05 2005 15:01 GMT
#6
its time for a foreigner.. fisheye? blackman? who knows.. gogo foreigners!!
zzzzzz
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
October 05 2005 15:05 GMT
#7
I hope that it would second.

fOru wins anyways
It takes a fool to remain sane.
JudasT
Profile Joined January 2003
Spain2226 Posts
October 05 2005 15:34 GMT
#8
f i r s t
(let's have faith)
Taking the time to have simple fun everyday is a must for a happy life.
lil.sis
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
China4650 Posts
October 05 2005 16:05 GMT
#9
third

as always
好好喝喝天天快乐
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
October 05 2005 16:06 GMT
#10
First
Go Blackman !
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
drc
Profile Joined October 2004
Finland261 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-05 16:47:58
October 05 2005 16:47 GMT
#11
depends on the brackets. I believe some non-korean will be able to take the 1st spot, maybe testie, maybe blackman. who knows?
I have two holes in my wall, from losing in quake 3 and broodwar... I really got a problem. (c) SkY
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
October 05 2005 18:45 GMT
#12
With Xellos beating everyone in the pro community I really really doubt he will not take 1st plae @ wcg. I belive a non-korean can edge out a win versus the not-so-PvZ master ForU and Control lost to blackman when he got 3rd so ... yea 2nd place is realistic.

ModeratorFather of bunnies
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
October 05 2005 19:16 GMT
#13
Pj Testie FiSheYe Fighting
Liquid`HayprO
Profile Joined March 2003
Iraq1230 Posts
October 05 2005 19:51 GMT
#14
ToKoreaWithLove u are wrong, control never played blackman at wcg. u must have ur info messed up. blackman got 3rd cuz he lost to yellow in the loser's final (2002) and control lost to grrr in the 3/4 match (2003).
Team LiquidOur friendship will be the stuff of legend.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 05 2005 20:25 GMT
#15
foru's pvz is incredibly good especially vs foreign zergs i dont know what you guys are talking about

he can lose pvp though
why so 진지해?
Petza_Gr
Profile Joined October 2003
Greece299 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-05 20:27:55
October 05 2005 20:27 GMT
#16
On October 06 2005 04:16 SpringWind wrote:
Pj Testie FiSheYe Fighting


no chance for Pj...sry...

but BM, Fish,Testie...well y not?
EDIT: for 3th place i mean...still not convinced we can take 1st-2nd spot..
There are only two infinite things: Universe and human stupidity. And im not sure about the former. (Albert Einstein)
Caution
Profile Joined September 2004
2059 Posts
October 05 2005 20:28 GMT
#17
Fourth, the koreans are going to rip them all~
w)Gs(Zero-
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia270 Posts
October 05 2005 20:57 GMT
#18
second
Travin
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Sweden672 Posts
October 05 2005 21:03 GMT
#19
second, foru will beat silent ctrl and then he will lose vs xellos
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
October 05 2005 22:03 GMT
#20
testie for second place
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
StarOfDust
Profile Joined September 2005
Sweden163 Posts
October 05 2005 23:30 GMT
#21
Testie, bm, pj, FiSheYe and maybe someone else has a decent chance to win a bo3 with a lot of luck and good mu's I think.

I'm hoping for second.
Me love u long time, keke!
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
October 06 2005 00:52 GMT
#22
Fourth
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
October 06 2005 01:44 GMT
#23
Fourth, possibly third over Silent_Control.
日本語が分かりますか
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
October 06 2005 02:36 GMT
#24
2nd
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
October 06 2005 04:22 GMT
#25
Testie for second.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
October 06 2005 06:15 GMT
#26
Fourth.

As Rek said, the only matchup I can see foriegners winning vs any of the koreans is PvP against foru.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
October 06 2005 07:57 GMT
#27
Depends if koreans get matched up against eachother, but there is no one beating a single korean.
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
October 06 2005 11:15 GMT
#28
I voted for first

< 0______0 >
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
October 06 2005 12:21 GMT
#29
On October 06 2005 05:25 Rekrul wrote:
foru's pvz is incredibly good especially vs foreign zergs i dont know what you guys are talking about

he can lose pvp though


Exactly what I thought. I still can't believe he beat July 2-0, and one of the games was on azalea for fuck sakes. He's very strong.

I still think 2nd is a concieveable rank for a nonkorean. Basically, it all depends on who gets to play the last korean (who isn't Xellos of course ) and if they win that series it's second place for them. It's all about the brackets, and luck...mostly luck.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
October 06 2005 21:22 GMT
#30
On October 06 2005 00:34 JudasT wrote:
f i r s t
(let's have faith)


Haha, awesome pun
Trucy Wright is hot
Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
October 06 2005 21:54 GMT
#31
fourth at max.
The artist formerly known as Starparty
brrr
Profile Joined October 2005
Russian Federation3 Posts
October 06 2005 23:01 GMT
#32
testie first
NeMoScout
Profile Joined May 2005
56 Posts
October 07 2005 01:08 GMT
#33
1.Testie
2.Xellos
3.Fisheye
nicksson
Profile Joined April 2004
Sweden110 Posts
October 07 2005 06:30 GMT
#34
beast will win...
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
October 07 2005 08:23 GMT
#35
None -.-
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
DaRkReBeL
Profile Joined October 2005
United States30 Posts
October 07 2005 08:37 GMT
#36
Depends on the draw I would say, but I think BM might be able to edge out 2nd place.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
October 07 2005 09:51 GMT
#37
1st Xellos 2nd Testie 3rd foru control will get knocked out by xellos earler.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
new_construct
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1041 Posts
October 07 2005 23:01 GMT
#38
if koreans don't kill eatch other, then fourth.
SunShine
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands787 Posts
October 08 2005 00:13 GMT
#39
First since 4K^Grubby wil win it once more
PauL_JoneS
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States373 Posts
October 08 2005 03:21 GMT
#40
I want Xellos to win again this year, since JulyZerg didn't qualify
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 08 2005 11:36 GMT
#41
ForU's PvZ seems to have improved lately. Also I think people are underestimating that progamer difference too. Just because he loses to progamer Z (and he hasn't even been losing to them much lately) doesn't mean he'll lose to the non-progamer Z
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
October 09 2005 06:21 GMT
#42
if a progamer loses it's an upset, simple as that
i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
October 09 2005 19:50 GMT
#43
fourth...
Cedric
Profile Joined September 2004
Hungary186 Posts
October 10 2005 03:44 GMT
#44
i think, if foru or control beat Xellos, then non-korean can be first
Hungary Fighting :P
RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
October 10 2005 09:02 GMT
#45
I think maybe Day[9] or testie could get 3rd or 2nd ;o
heavy hand upon the land, feel it's weight inside you
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 11 2005 03:13 GMT
#46
as much as i love the guy, i can see foru losing the 3/4 game, with xellos and silent finishing 1/2
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
October 11 2005 11:56 GMT
#47
On October 08 2005 09:13 SunShine wrote:
First since 4K^Grubby wil win it once more

;p
hahaha
troi oi thang map nai!!!
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
October 11 2005 18:29 GMT
#48
third... as usual^^^
fisheye ftw
HorsementalitY
Profile Joined August 2003
United States1159 Posts
October 11 2005 23:53 GMT
#49
On October 07 2005 18:51 hatedbymany wrote:
1st Xellos 2nd Testie 3rd foru control will get knocked out by xellos earler.


ya cuz u've seen the brackets...
Women, Pot, Futbol and Music
LetMeBeWithYou
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada4254 Posts
October 12 2005 11:11 GMT
#50
I put first mainly because I didn't really read the topic and randomly chose one o.o
All Those beneath an angry star
ubergamer15
Profile Joined January 2005
United States645 Posts
October 13 2005 10:25 GMT
#51
On October 12 2005 03:29 cYaN wrote:
third... as usual^^^
fisheye ftw

I pray for fisheye as well.
An optimist sees the glass half-full. A pessimist sees the glass half-empty. An engineer sees a waste of half a glass.
tX.Ghanima
Profile Joined September 2004
Poland53 Posts
October 13 2005 16:17 GMT
#52
bM rlz it will be ownage he can be stopped only in z/z.
And he is playing vs progamers all the time so diffrence isn't so big i guess.
non hercules contra plures
HeaDr0x
Profile Joined May 2005
Brazil97 Posts
October 14 2005 05:57 GMT
#53
Third, but most probably fourth ;p
whatever
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
October 14 2005 22:59 GMT
#54
Well this will depend on brackets also that if koreans will knock each other before finals
It takes a fool to remain sane.
Yarertz
Profile Joined February 2003
Djibouti1891 Posts
October 15 2005 06:20 GMT
#55
Third
StarCraft : 26.IX.2001 - 8.XII.2004 (1167 days) R.I.P [`]
Shiit
Profile Joined September 2005
Canada25 Posts
October 16 2005 11:02 GMT
#56
Third. Koreans live on Bnet=\
Kill to Kill Not for a God Or a Ruler
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-16 14:00:49
October 16 2005 14:00 GMT
#57
I am going for third, but I think it will probably be fourth.It really depends on the groups and brackets.
sex appeal
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 16 2005 21:35 GMT
#58
It all depends on brackets. FiSheYe has the best chances if he hasnt to face a Zerg imho..
His PvP and PvT is amazing. I dont see a reason why he couldnt beat Xellos or Foru or Control on the wcg maps..

Fish, Testie, Pj, Blackman are the only one, i would give a good shot on placing in the top 3.
hatred outlives the hateful
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 17 2005 13:01 GMT
#59
eh, I dont think Fisheye has a chance in hell vs Xellos PvT. The third game of Anytime vs Xellos was some pretty high level shit, and if Xellos is in the shape he is now at WCG this year he'll go undefeated again.

I hope Blackman gets to face Xellos, because even though I think Blackman will lose it could be one of the few non 100% rape foreigner vs Xellos match.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
k3fka
Profile Joined November 2004
Argentina1267 Posts
October 18 2005 08:49 GMT
#60
mmmm ForU was beatable Z vs P in the last wcg maps which were hell imbalanced for p vs z. But i dont see him loosing with his current new pvsz skills and the maps this year offer for p vs z. Still my favourites to beat ForU(like a 20% chance of winning him) are blackman (best z vs p) and both fisheye and zelotito (best p vs pers).
MayToss
Profile Joined October 2005
Finland3 Posts
October 18 2005 18:19 GMT
#61
Third.. ;E
Tomcat
Profile Joined November 2002
Romania136 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-19 05:23:56
October 19 2005 05:19 GMT
#62
Third. I still don't think that anyone outside Korea can touch Xellos, he's a damn machine. (17-0 wcg2004 anyone ? or was it 18-0 ?)

I foresee a SC vs Xellos final, much like last year's Midas vs Xellos. PJ will be third IMHO, he looked really strong during the 32 blood tournament and perhaps ForU will be fourth (or someone else, not sure here)

Edit: Oh, and btw... ForU beat an unimpressive July to qualify for WCG. I mean come on, I didn't see anything fancy in July's games vs ForU, watched the VODS. Many non-Korean zergs can play better than that (Day and Blackman come to mind, though I'm sure there are others as well)
fightcancer
Profile Joined October 2005
United States5 Posts
October 20 2005 10:15 GMT
#63
how long has it been since Xellos lost in a tourney?

it all depends on brackets. If the Koreans don't play each other before the quarterfinals, then 4th.
Ray001
Profile Joined October 2005
China1 Post
October 21 2005 17:45 GMT
#64
I do think PJ can kick ass at WCG2005 now.
MAX Characters
SonnyBlack
Profile Joined July 2004
Germany457 Posts
October 22 2005 19:50 GMT
#65
third for sure
;-)
draeger
Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
October 23 2005 02:32 GMT
#66
3rd. Chances are two of the koreans will meet earlier than expected and one gets knocked prematurely into the loser's bracket. From there it takes a lucky game from whichever non-korean is on fire that weekend.
t.t
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Korean StarCraft League
03:00
Week 84
HKG_Chickenman243
CranKy Ducklings155
SteadfastSC117
davetesta49
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 200
ProTech144
SteadfastSC 117
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 427
NaDa 101
Shuttle 62
Noble 21
Dota 2
XaKoH 442
monkeys_forever415
NeuroSwarm168
League of Legends
JimRising 792
C9.Mang0546
Counter-Strike
summit1g9970
tarik_tv5093
minikerr33
Other Games
ViBE167
Mew2King68
ZombieGrub56
Chillindude41
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 21
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH170
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 60
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo620
• Stunt211
Other Games
• Scarra1608
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 39m
IPSL
12h 39m
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
13h 39m
OSC
1d 7h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 9h
Replay Cast
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
OSC
3 days
OSC
4 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.