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CycoDude
Profile Joined November 2010
United States326 Posts
September 26 2011 05:05 GMT
#121
i don't mind the 4:3 aspect, except that it was stretched to fit widescreen (at least in the vods) so that was pretty bad. i would certainly prefer an english cast (tastosis or wolf + torch / qxc) but have no issues watching korean if i have to. they take WAY too long to get to the games, 20 minute intro? 10 minute recap of the game i just watched? no thanks. also, what's the deal with playing the same OLD map over and over for the series?

gom wins this one hands down.
Syracuse
Profile Joined March 2011
United States31 Posts
September 26 2011 05:12 GMT
#122
I really liked them going over the replays a bit before the next game. The studio is nice too but that doesn't really make that much difference.

I actually found the korean casts pretty easy to follow, at first you just start by picking up the various starcraft words and team/player names but you'll get the general idea faster than you think.
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
September 26 2011 06:02 GMT
#123
There really is nothing to complain about on the Gom stream. Except perhaps Moletrap

It's high quality production and I like it. Have bought a premium pass to every season and will continue to do so!
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
September 26 2011 07:57 GMT
#124
I don't care about the casters analysis because they rarely have anything new to say about the match ups i actually care to watch :O it's just good ol' feeling of watching BW stream ^^
aurigenesis
Profile Joined October 2010
32 Posts
September 26 2011 08:30 GMT
#125
I've been living in Korea for a year so I might have some different insight from everybody. I don't feel bad that there is a pool out there for which production may be better but I feel that it is apples and oranges at this point. The main reason for that is Ongamenet is casting a WCG "official" event instead of them casting their in-house OSL tournament where the channel would get to design stuff like banners and overlays. The GSL has their overlays billions of times within the one year of its inception. And you should also know that the overlays that they use for the English and Korean streams generally differ with the Korean stream doing better of packing their product. Afterall, it is a Korean studio with employees no matter what and you have to think of how they translate everything for us.

Another misconception is that seen is that GSL is meant for streaming. This is how they started out but now the GSL is being broadcasted on AniBox HD (Code S games and GSTL are on Cable, Code A games and qualifiers, can't remember if the Up and Down matches are broadcasted). So I guess you can compare production between the two, but again it is difficult because of the nature of the WCG rules and regulations and the prestige of a national title.

The studios give Ongamenet a big advantage, you can not cram much more into the GOM studio at all. If SC2 is broadcasted more at Ongamenet's studio I'm sure they'll through in two more booths to make an easier turnover of players and equipment as at least one computer has to be switched in between sets.

I was watching most of the games on TV since I have it, the only thing kills me about the 4:3 resolution is the obscure command bar (if i'm saying that right), in other words it's just bulky. But the units look awesome, and I think the Observer is catching all the action, so the ratio doesn't bother me too much.

I was surprised to see SlayerS'Jessica and the other members of Slayers' in the Crowd for the first day, I wish I was there; I didn't know about it until five minutes before it went on the air. I am hoping that when more people know about it that they'll go and show their support. I hope I'll have the chance to go in the future. I think the crowd size between the two organizations are similar except when there are foriegners playing, and with Ongamenet's studio they have the potential to get bigger crowds than what they have. It will be another topic to see how many more fans SC2 will get to those that haven't made the switch yet. And now that SC2 is in the same stomping grounds as BW what other notable names might make a switch over to SC2?

No matter who is playing the WCG tournament, they all have to consider themselves lucky that they are playing in the most famous booths on the grandest stage of e-sports. For most of these guys, they grew up watching wishing they could play there. For others like MarineKingPrime.WE and IMNestea, it is a chance at redemption as they were former Brood War players. MarineKing made it round of 16 so I think he is proving the naysayer's wrong and not fortunate Nestea didn't make the most of his opportunity but with three championships to his name, I don't think he's worried about it too much.

In summary (even though I may of went off topic), Ongamenet did a great job and that's why I voted for them; everything that is in Brood War cast now playing SC2 (finally!) and the great implications for the future of the game. GSL is doing a great job, I too have bought every season I will continue to.

bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
September 26 2011 08:54 GMT
#126
normally im yawning and sleepy after 10 minutes of normal GSL match, when OGN is doing their job im awake and raedy to fight even if i have no favorites in the match, kinda shows the difference
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CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
September 26 2011 08:54 GMT
#127
other than the nostalgia factor I don't see how people are voting for OGN over GOM...

the only thing OGN has going for them are the cool zoom ins on the players faces in the middle of a game.
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SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
September 26 2011 09:39 GMT
#128
It makes people feel smart and cool to vote for the commentary they couldn't understand because it's like "old-school"... Stupid imho !
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
September 26 2011 09:57 GMT
#129
There are good and bad things about OGN's broadcast. But I'm reserving my opinion until OGN upgrades their comps and until whole tourney is finished.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 10:36:20
September 26 2011 10:33 GMT
#130
I love listening to the OGN casts because of the enthusiasm of the casters. It's really weird, but I always turn on the Korean cast, and mute almost every english cast I hear. Maybe it's also because I usually understand more about the game than most English casters do, but I just get absolutely nothing from nearly all English casters. There's less enthusiasm, less game knowledge, less entertainment. So OGN is an easy pick for me.

I don't give a damn about the graphics. I don't watch starcraft because it looks pretty.

The replay analysis is also really great too, because I actually do learn things from that. I don't understand their specific point, but I learn a great deal from what the casters have chosen to highlight.
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HydroOwl
Profile Joined November 2010
United States57 Posts
September 26 2011 10:33 GMT
#131
I found WCG really hard to watching after being so used to GSL. The time between games is absolutely ridiculous, which is terrible for not only the viewers but the players as well. At points there was upwards of ~15 mins between games, which is pretty terrible to me.
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
September 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#132
On September 26 2011 19:33 HydroOwl wrote:
I found WCG really hard to watching after being so used to GSL. The time between games is absolutely ridiculous, which is terrible for not only the viewers but the players as well. At points there was upwards of ~15 mins between games, which is pretty terrible to me.


As you pointed out, I think this is a WCG complaint in an OGN discussion thread.
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
September 26 2011 14:45 GMT
#133
I have only watched the GSL games, and the video quality is very good, the production great and the casting is very variable.

Artosis & Tasteless: Seem bored and don't comment on what might happen. They have a tendency to repeat the same sentences again and again.

Wolf & Moletrap: Both are really into the games. Wolf's ingame knowledge is awesome, while Moletrap actually knows a lot about the players and what is happening around the actual game. This makes them, in my eyes, the best casting duo.

Regarding Doa, he is best paired off with Wolf, and worst with Moletrap. He is an ok caster, but I do prefer Wolf/Moletrap.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 14:46:41
September 26 2011 14:46 GMT
#134
wcg is bad quality in a language i cant understand in games with koreans only ... no thx
gsl 1million times better

btw: wcg as itself makes it an easy vote (i would never vote for wcg since they did so much crap in past)

ps: artosis and tasteless arent beatable !!!
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Thretau
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland85 Posts
September 26 2011 14:58 GMT
#135
WCG looks and feels like BW which is a very good thing. I love the dramatic zooms and the fact that they show players more on screen. 4:3 is unfortunate, but doesn't kill it for me. Gumiho vs NesTea games were very good.

Korean commentators are 100x better than any english commentator. Tastosis just hurts the viewing experience for me. Enthusiastic commentators do it for me. TobiWan for example made Dota 2 Tournament games feel much more epic. There is no SC2 caster that adds any real value to the games.
lunchrush
Profile Joined March 2011
United States138 Posts
September 26 2011 16:32 GMT
#136
Commentators are better, but I think most foreign fans are using the stream quality as a proxy for the quality of the whole cast, therefore ranking GOM much higher than WCG. At least, that's why I voted for GOM, and why GOM seemed like the obvious choice.
There is no order in the world around us, we must adapt ourselves to the requirements of chaos instead. -Kurt Vonnegut
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 26 2011 19:27 GMT
#137
OGN definitely better.
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nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
September 26 2011 20:41 GMT
#138
Graphics: GOM > OGN
No explanation needed. This is objective shit, not subjective.

Casters: GOM < OGN
This one is subjective. I chose OGN mainly because I undestand both languages, and when there is no language barrier, OGN trio of casters triumph over any, I said ANY group of casters. They are unmatched in both enthusiasm (which does not surprise me at all) and game knowledge (which surprised me seeing this is their first time casting SC2).

Other less(but still) relevant stuff
Overlay: GOM > OGN
Music: GOM > OGN
Studio: GOM < OGN
Organization: GOM > OGN
and OGN gets a PLUS for the replay analysis feature.

Overall: GOM > OGN

They said they will make an effort to improve their computers and image quality for the next week's cast so let's wait and see.
in a state of trance
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 26 2011 21:06 GMT
#139
I also would like to point out that there is a subtle difference between GOM and OGN, in my opinion, so I will try to explain this as accurately as possible:

OGN has the legacy that we ex-BW followers know and love. They are what every other business model has tried to mimic, and many have done just as good. However, there is one characteristic about OGN that I personally feel cannot be mimic'd by any other company (such as GOM), and that is commentary. GOM can actually do whatever they want, such as having a huge studio, perfect overlays, and a bigger fanbase, but if their commentators cannot compare to Themarine and the likes, then there is actually no feasible way for them to ever be on that same level. For me, and for many other die-hard BW lovers, we tuned in, not knowing much Hangul, and still felt like we knew EXACTLY what the commentators were saying, just because they were able to paint a picture of a foreign language with so much passion in our minds, and it perfectly translated to the image we visually saw. I feel that Tastosis, while great, is no way near as passionate and talented as OGN commentators, in terms of generating spectator hype.

This is 100% subjective, and this is only MY opinion. I feel that many people share this view, and many others many deviate from it. The point is simple though: I feel that OGN has a better chance of being better than GOM, by simply fixing some overlays, hardware, and visualization. GOM, on the other hand, can match and beat OGN in terms of visuals, but they can never match the intangibles, which are the legacy commentators who have burning passions.

I'll conclude my analysis with one segmented clip, for anybody who is new / unaware of what OGN really is:

C r u m b l i n g
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 26 2011 22:45 GMT
#140
Starleagues are just better when you hear someone screaming in Korean.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
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