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DelRax
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 09:00:42
September 25 2011 08:54 GMT
#81
I think if OGN was actually set up to broadcast SC2 (resolution, computers, caster knowledge(?)), they may be equivalent/better. And as someone who can't understand Korean, English commentary is a big boost.

OGN sure does have a nicer studio though, but as it is I'd say GOM wins.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 09:01:42
September 25 2011 08:56 GMT
#82
On September 25 2011 08:25 Matkap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:41 Djagulingu wrote:
Gom's better parts:

1- They have flames.
2- Higher resolution which doesn't matter for people who don't pay.
3- Casting in English which is worse than Korean casters/commentators anyway.

OGN's better parts:

1- Much better observer
2- Much better casters (No offense but I'd never watch Tastosis and Gom observer when there is Kingdom/Kim Carrier/TheMarine and OGN observer around).
3- The advantage of being on Cable.
4- Times and times as much production value.
5- Easily accessible streams and VODs.
6- You don't need to download a player and pay for VODs.

Answer: Still asking?

On September 25 2011 07:28 Nikon wrote:
So yeah... how is GomTv winning this poll?

OGN is not trying to kill BW, that's how. For some reason, SC2 only guys have a tendency to troll BW forums with their "happiness" when there is a news of a team or channel disbanding. That gave me the impression.


do you say all that to you yourself when you go to sleep at nights? jeez relax..and well, why would I care if its on cable if im watching through the internet? you dont need a player for gom vods, and well, I would rather have casters that I understand you know, I guess that when tasteless was casting BW you didnt hate on him as much...

I did like as well OGN of course and they`re a lot of really cool things there that are miles ahed of GOM, but its not like they do everything wrong

Korean GomTV commentators are ex-ogn commentators. OGN replaced them with better ones. And Tasteless was much worse than korean OGN commentators during GomTV classic anyway, nothing changed since then. And not having to pay for the VODs is just so good. Not to mention OGN's studio and observers.

And the fact that 4:3 resolution is the biggest complaint of the people means ogn is doing everything else right.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
September 25 2011 09:01 GMT
#83
Obs in Ogn seems much better. I like following the buildings and the smoothness of the mouse. I also prefer the shots of player faces during the game and the sound effects they use. I think that gom has a better looking studio and better player introductions and graphics but for viewing the actual game I think that ogn is way ahead. The next step that both of them need to do is to turn off the production screen and unit screen for most of the game but the casters/commentators arent at the level where they can read the game without those aids.
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
September 25 2011 09:22 GMT
#84
What is OGN? sc:bw?
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Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 09:59:58
September 25 2011 09:59 GMT
#85
On September 25 2011 07:54 Bradleo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 06:54 KhAlleB wrote:
how can gom be ahead of ogn :O

three words: Nick "Tasteless" Plott


This is the only correct answer. GomTV has the absolute best english casting in the entire scene.

WCG Korea had NO english casting.

So if you ask a primarily english website which production was better, well...


Realistically? GomTV is the better SC2 broadcaster, no doubt. But OGN brought much of their e-sports expertise to the broadcast, and all the things they did right demonstrated all the things Gom could do better. Hell, for the Korean viewer, it may even have been better, I don't know.

OGN definitely did a great job, lack of english aside.

And the best thing? OGN IS BROADCASTING SC2! FUCK YEAH!


MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
September 25 2011 10:44 GMT
#86
I don't understand Korean at all but the excitement the casters on OGN bring is unmatched
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
September 25 2011 11:18 GMT
#87
I don't even care the quality is rather poor and the aspect ratio is bad on SC2. The cast is incredible, everything is right. There's not as many fires, and lights, etc, but the setting is simpler, it's right to the point, the casters seem to really enjoy themselves, even if they're not casting their beloved BW.

I dunno, I wasn't even that big on BW. So it's not like I'm struck by nostalgia. I just think it's better overall, their experience shows in every aspect. As a gamer, it's simpler for me to put it this way:

-GomTV right now, looks like HoN did on release. It had much better graphics than DotA, it had the engine right for the game. You didn't need things like WarKeys to set up hotkeys.
-OGN broadcast, is the original DotA, no matter its flaws, it's an irreplaceable classic.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
September 25 2011 11:33 GMT
#88
I would suspect the reason that GomTV is ahead is because alot of the voters haven't seen OGN's WCG Korea and vote anyways.
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Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 11:42:18
September 25 2011 11:39 GMT
#89
OGN got everything expect HD and I could say and tastosis too, but they only cast <40% of GSL, so meh...

95% of comments support OGN, but GSL got double votes rofl.
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artynko
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovakia86 Posts
September 25 2011 12:29 GMT
#90
All those shots outside of the game look so much better on OGN. Tastosis may be the most handsome couple on this planet, but it adds greatly to the atmosphere to see the player faces all the time.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
September 25 2011 13:01 GMT
#91
I think the GSL production is the best, but they sadly usually lack in game quality! Maybe it was just on my end but it felt like OGN was using some wierd resolution which made everythig look a bit strange.
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Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1322 Posts
September 25 2011 14:07 GMT
#92
There are more pure SC2 nuthuggers than Pure BW + a mix of SC2/BW nuthuggers.
So there for, GOMTV leads the poll.

But in reality, OGN are the better casters.
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Kogan
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany84 Posts
September 25 2011 14:23 GMT
#93
On September 25 2011 07:56 Node wrote:
I'm completely lost as to how people can discern that casters using a language they don't understand are better than casters using one they do.


i agree, its kinda stupid to say korean casters are better cause they seem to be more pumped^^
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 14:42:14
September 25 2011 14:32 GMT
#94
Lol what a biased poll, after looking at the responses.

OGN:
- Better Observers
- Better Camera Usage (doom zooms)
- Enthusiasm
- Professionalism
- Post-Game Recaps

GOM:
- English commentary (racist and unfair criteria),
- Graphics (even though free stream is as good as goms, HD available on ogn.net for free if you can read korean, no lag!!!!!)

Remember GOM was the worst broadcaster back in BW, if OGN got a full hold of SC2 there would be no contest.


On September 25 2011 23:23 Kogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:56 Node wrote:
I'm completely lost as to how people can discern that casters using a language they don't understand are better than casters using one they do.


i agree, its kinda stupid to say korean casters are better cause they seem to be more pumped^^


Because people do translations on live-stream or actually understand korean, I have a korean friend who often tells me what the commentators are saying and its much more in-depth/funny/interesting/relevant than what you normally hear from the English casters.

Often when Tastosis says something funny, it doesn't have much to do with the game, but Korean commentators will often say something funny that is also relevant to the game.

(Exception is Tasteless on BW, he was at that level then, he seems to have lost a lot of his commentating flair in SC2)



The commentator was like, "The tanks became the protoss's friends!"




Lol on commentators on 21:35, "This is the time where the opponents say I wish he take a break and go to the bathroom, but at this stage of the game even if Stork goes to the bathroom this is game" LOLL


Also if a commentator gets you much more engaged in a game, then that's tantamount to his ability as a commentator.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
September 25 2011 14:51 GMT
#95
On September 25 2011 17:56 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 08:25 Matkap wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:41 Djagulingu wrote:
Gom's better parts:

1- They have flames.
2- Higher resolution which doesn't matter for people who don't pay.
3- Casting in English which is worse than Korean casters/commentators anyway.

OGN's better parts:

1- Much better observer
2- Much better casters (No offense but I'd never watch Tastosis and Gom observer when there is Kingdom/Kim Carrier/TheMarine and OGN observer around).
3- The advantage of being on Cable.
4- Times and times as much production value.
5- Easily accessible streams and VODs.
6- You don't need to download a player and pay for VODs.

Answer: Still asking?

On September 25 2011 07:28 Nikon wrote:
So yeah... how is GomTv winning this poll?

OGN is not trying to kill BW, that's how. For some reason, SC2 only guys have a tendency to troll BW forums with their "happiness" when there is a news of a team or channel disbanding. That gave me the impression.


do you say all that to you yourself when you go to sleep at nights? jeez relax..and well, why would I care if its on cable if im watching through the internet? you dont need a player for gom vods, and well, I would rather have casters that I understand you know, I guess that when tasteless was casting BW you didnt hate on him as much...

I did like as well OGN of course and they`re a lot of really cool things there that are miles ahed of GOM, but its not like they do everything wrong

Korean GomTV commentators are ex-ogn commentators. OGN replaced them with better ones. And Tasteless was much worse than korean OGN commentators during GomTV classic anyway, nothing changed since then. And not having to pay for the VODs is just so good. Not to mention OGN's studio and observers.

And the fact that 4:3 resolution is the biggest complaint of the people means ogn is doing everything else right.


uh, they aren't ex-ogn commentators. lee hyun-joo was a former mbc caster, that's about it. the current commentators didn't have any previous casting background before being hired by gom for their classic league.
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
September 25 2011 15:32 GMT
#96
I personally thought the OGN observer was terrible- he never went back to the players main bases and let us see the production facilities. They almost never had the production tab open, and he would also many times cut to a battle late which was frustrating.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
September 25 2011 15:55 GMT
#97
On September 26 2011 00:32 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I personally thought the OGN observer was terrible- he never went back to the players main bases and let us see the production facilities. They almost never had the production tab open, and he would also many times cut to a battle late which was frustrating.


Production tab is terrible for spectating IMO.
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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 25 2011 16:09 GMT
#98
On September 25 2011 23:32 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Lol what a biased poll, after looking at the responses.

OGN:
- Better Observers
- Better Camera Usage (doom zooms)
- Enthusiasm
- Professionalism
- Post-Game Recaps

GOM:
- English commentary (racist and unfair criteria),
- Graphics (even though free stream is as good as goms, HD available on ogn.net for free if you can read korean, no lag!!!!!)

Remember GOM was the worst broadcaster back in BW, if OGN got a full hold of SC2 there would be no contest.


Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 23:23 Kogan wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:56 Node wrote:
I'm completely lost as to how people can discern that casters using a language they don't understand are better than casters using one they do.


i agree, its kinda stupid to say korean casters are better cause they seem to be more pumped^^


Because people do translations on live-stream or actually understand korean, I have a korean friend who often tells me what the commentators are saying and its much more in-depth/funny/interesting/relevant than what you normally hear from the English casters.

Often when Tastosis says something funny, it doesn't have much to do with the game, but Korean commentators will often say something funny that is also relevant to the game.

(Exception is Tasteless on BW, he was at that level then, he seems to have lost a lot of his commentating flair in SC2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83ju7jfJ1I

Show nested quote +
The commentator was like, "The tanks became the protoss's friends!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IK6rECL3Qc#t=19m15s

Show nested quote +
Lol on commentators on 21:35, "This is the time where the opponents say I wish he take a break and go to the bathroom, but at this stage of the game even if Stork goes to the bathroom this is game" LOLL


Also if a commentator gets you much more engaged in a game, then that's tantamount to his ability as a commentator.


Wat?! How does liking a commentary in a language that you understand is ¨racist¨? I voted for OGN but that is a ridiculous argument.

And I think you are selling GOM short there,but its your opinion. I just don´t like the racism argument lol
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branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
September 25 2011 16:33 GMT
#99
I thought OGN's production was much better. I've always loved those OH SHIT zoom in shots of someone's face when something goes wrong for them.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
September 25 2011 18:14 GMT
#100
i liked OGN WCG better in terms of pure production, but no english commentators, so
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