EPTSC2 production? - Page 8
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i vote ogn. i just prefer korean casts since they seem more professional and have a better insight to the game, this is just an opinion but i do have a even "bias" as i'm bilingual. ogn has been doing this since the beginning, they know what to do (production, staging, observing, etc). i can't help but feel gom is leading the poll because 1) non korean speakers 2) sc2. i know i'll be watching ogn more if they took sc2 seriously or evenly with gom if enabled people outside of korea to watch korean casts. (though i do not prefer the female caster from gom all that much) | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
With GSL MLG whatever event, you name it, i'm always looking at supply counts and stuff because their observers fail to show me everything. Almost every single game we hear Tastosis say something important is happening which we can't see and have to take their word for it, like a hellion drop at a natural or something like that but we never see it, or get a full grasp of what damage was done. Without fail, the observing fails. This OGN broski's level of multitasking feels like its matching what the players are doing. He is accurately representing their abilities through his observing and letting me know exactly what is happening in the game at all times without showing me irrelevant crap instead. The other observers look like foreign players getting dropped by MMA all over the place and just falling apart by comparison. Now if he doesn't count as production, then i give the edge to GOM. OGN was great with their recaps and everything, but GOM is a lot prettier and that does matter some. | ||
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anGe
Belgium23 Posts
Most of the people that voted for OGN are BW (or former) players that are used to watch Korean broadcasts. But to me, even if the hype of the korean commentators is fantastic, I don't understand what they're saying + I love Tastosis. I don't doubt that if OGN really focuses on SC2 they will be better than GOM but I'd choose Tastosis over korean commentary on anyday. PS: I agree that besides tastosis and Day9 the English commentators are worst than the koreans. | ||
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HaMM3r
Germany6 Posts
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
Bad observing Bad music (though this is personal taste =D) Extremely long delays Picking the wrong map Units just disappearing when they die PCs that can't even run SC2 properly Jessica, Choya and IM coach all getting pissed off The production values just weren't there for OGN. As a Korean speaker I can appreciate the commentators from OGN, but everything else sucked shit (and I still prefer the casualness of Tastosis). Overall I think the event was a bad first impression for SC2 in Korea, which I guess is reflected in the criticism OGN has gotten for it from Korean viewers. | ||
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CrAzEdBaDgEr
Canada166 Posts
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Skelephile
United States64 Posts
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klops
United States674 Posts
i had to vote >< | ||
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Gackt_
335 Posts
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duckTemplar
United States206 Posts
1) I can't help but to notice how empty the place was, even the first row had empty seats 2) Yeah the commentators are exciting, boxers included, but with no subtitles or english casting, most of us would't know wtf they're talking about anyway. 3) rumors has it that Nestea had computer issues, either due to patch 1.4 or poor computer from WCG / OGN & they're using wrong versions of map. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On September 27 2011 09:56 Clefairy wrote: 4:3 aspect ratio Bad observing Bad music (though this is personal taste =D) Extremely long delays Picking the wrong map Units just disappearing when they die PCs that can't even run SC2 properly Jessica, Choya and IM coach all getting pissed off The production values just weren't there for OGN. As a Korean speaker I can appreciate the commentators from OGN, but everything else sucked shit (and I still prefer the casualness of Tastosis). Overall I think the event was a bad first impression for SC2 in Korea, which I guess is reflected in the criticism OGN has gotten for it from Korean viewers. I'm speechless... also how is this the first impression of SC2 in Korea? On September 27 2011 15:35 duckTemplar wrote: A few interesting tidbit after observe the OGN: 1) I can't help but to notice how empty the place was, even the first row had empty seats 2) Yeah the commentators are exciting, boxers included, but with no subtitles or english casting, most of us would't know wtf they're talking about anyway. 3) rumors has it that Nestea had computer issues, either due to patch 1.4 or poor computer from WCG / OGN & they're using wrong versions of map. How can you not understand what they're talking about when it's shown on your screen? Seriously, the fuck is this? | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On September 27 2011 15:44 Nikon wrote: I'm speechless... also how is this the first impression of SC2 in Korea? How can you not understand what they're talking about when it's shown on your screen? Seriously, the fuck is this? According to Milkis, most of the people on PlayXP thought OGN's observing was bad as well. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On September 27 2011 18:45 Kiyo. wrote: According to Milkis, most of the people on PlayXP thought OGN's observing was bad as well. Thing is, Gom's observers are never as good as OGN's observers. Even if OGN ones are that bad. | ||
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aurigenesis
32 Posts
gulati United States. September 27 2011 06:06 I also would like to point out that there is a subtle difference between GOM and OGN, in my opinion, so I will try to explain this as accurately as possible: OGN has the legacy that we ex-BW followers know and love. They are what every other business model has tried to mimic, and many have done just as good. However, there is one characteristic about OGN that I personally feel cannot be mimic'd by any other company (such as GOM), and that is commentary. GOM can actually do whatever they want, such as having a huge studio, perfect overlays, and a bigger fanbase, but if their commentators cannot compare to Themarine and the likes, then there is actually no feasible way for them to ever be on that same level. For me, and for many other die-hard BW lovers, we tuned in, not knowing much Hangul, and still felt like we knew EXACTLY what the commentators were saying, just because they were able to paint a picture of a foreign language with so much passion in our minds, and it perfectly translated to the image we visually saw. I feel that Tastosis, while great, is no way near as passionate and talented as OGN commentators, in terms of generating spectator hype. This is 100% subjective, and this is only MY opinion. I feel that many people share this view, and many others many deviate from it. The point is simple though: I feel that OGN has a better chance of being better than GOM, by simply fixing some overlays, hardware, and visualization. GOM, on the other hand, can match and beat OGN in terms of visuals, but they can never match the intangibles, which are the legacy commentators who have burning passions. I stated my opinion already but I fully agree with gulati. I wanted to add some aspects as I was thinking about it. If you guys prefer to hear Korean/Hangul over English, go to GomTV.com rather than GomTV.net. Watching the VODs is free, be forewarned though that it might mess up you GOM player settings, or you will have to reinstall GOM player again in order to watch it. I suggest if your are interested and you have an extra computer to try it out that way, you can do it off of one computer, but you have to uninstall/reinstall the player every time you go between an English cast and Korean cast. I had to do this because at times I wanted to watch the English cast but the bandwidth had been horrible. Some times I like listening to the native language, especially now that I am taking Korean I in college but also while listening to Naruto and Bleach; I'd rather listen to it in Japanese than in English. Anywho... That's another reason it is hard to compare the GOM cast and the OGN cast; there's no English cast to compare on the other side, but I'd like to look English cast perspective for a sec like "Blackbrrd" had stated: Tasteless and Artosis: Tasteless has been casting so long, he just has alot of experience as a BW player and his interest in commentary. Artosis is very in-depth with his analysis and is a great commentator as well. You should watch Artosis' YouTube channel if he comes out with content. Wolf: Is very in-depth with his analysis; he hasn't commentated on major events as long but he is growing on me. One thing I don't like is he is overconfident at times and at one point he even admitted it in one of his latest casts and I'm sure there is a better word for it. Moletrap: Pretty good. His voice cracking while nuclear missile is incoming is awkward, but he's doing pretty good. Doa: He actually keeps the other Code A casters in line, except now I have the mental image of him being a Pokemon Card Gym Leader stuck in my head. I used to play MTG but I won't play Pokemon; I still like Doa though. The English cast I expect is way different as a whole; they are more interested in entertaining the audience than really analyzing the stats and crunching the numbers. There is a lot going on in the SC2 scene; online/offline tournaments, players switching teams, etc. and I don't think they are catching all of that information. Another aspect is all of these guys except I think Doa are casters because of their knowledge of the game, not because they studied Broadcasting. On that note, they are not shoutcasting to a live audience all the time with exception of Tastosis at an MLG and other events outside of Korea. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
Aside from that, GSL is better. OGN can be just as good, as soon as they get a better tournament! | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
I mostly watch \gsl when i can get a combination of tastosis and Zerg. Anything else is usually not worth it. | ||
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PaPhJoRt
Denmark95 Posts
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