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Dataleif
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden252 Posts
September 25 2011 18:49 GMT
#101
Lucio Fulci would be proud of the zooms. I liked the commentary of OGN better but widescreen resolution would probably be a good idea.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
September 25 2011 18:55 GMT
#102
On September 25 2011 23:23 Kogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:56 Node wrote:
I'm completely lost as to how people can discern that casters using a language they don't understand are better than casters using one they do.


i agree, its kinda stupid to say korean casters are better cause they seem to be more pumped^^


People say Korean casters are better because they are better. It isn't a fanboyism thing. They simply understand the game on a level English casters cannot comprehend and they can relay that information to the fans. Most are former BW pros themselves. Nal_Ra, Kingdom, TheMarine, Shark and others have played SC far longer than almost everyone else on the planet. There are many people here who understand both Korean and English and I have never read about someone who actually favors the English cast over Korean. Your comment is screams ignorance of everything that is SC in Korea.

And being enthusiastic is what sells a crowd. If I was at MLG I wouldn't want to listen to the two most mundane people on Earth. It is one of the reasons why Day9 is so successful at live audiences.



I'd rather listen to this on loop than guys making lame jokes and talking about games that aren't even SC/2.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 25 2011 19:56 GMT
#103
On September 25 2011 23:51 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 17:56 Djagulingu wrote:
On September 25 2011 08:25 Matkap wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:41 Djagulingu wrote:
Gom's better parts:

1- They have flames.
2- Higher resolution which doesn't matter for people who don't pay.
3- Casting in English which is worse than Korean casters/commentators anyway.

OGN's better parts:

1- Much better observer
2- Much better casters (No offense but I'd never watch Tastosis and Gom observer when there is Kingdom/Kim Carrier/TheMarine and OGN observer around).
3- The advantage of being on Cable.
4- Times and times as much production value.
5- Easily accessible streams and VODs.
6- You don't need to download a player and pay for VODs.

Answer: Still asking?

On September 25 2011 07:28 Nikon wrote:
So yeah... how is GomTv winning this poll?

OGN is not trying to kill BW, that's how. For some reason, SC2 only guys have a tendency to troll BW forums with their "happiness" when there is a news of a team or channel disbanding. That gave me the impression.


do you say all that to you yourself when you go to sleep at nights? jeez relax..and well, why would I care if its on cable if im watching through the internet? you dont need a player for gom vods, and well, I would rather have casters that I understand you know, I guess that when tasteless was casting BW you didnt hate on him as much...

I did like as well OGN of course and they`re a lot of really cool things there that are miles ahed of GOM, but its not like they do everything wrong

Korean GomTV commentators are ex-ogn commentators. OGN replaced them with better ones. And Tasteless was much worse than korean OGN commentators during GomTV classic anyway, nothing changed since then. And not having to pay for the VODs is just so good. Not to mention OGN's studio and observers.

And the fact that 4:3 resolution is the biggest complaint of the people means ogn is doing everything else right.


uh, they aren't ex-ogn commentators. lee hyun-joo was a former mbc caster, that's about it. the current commentators didn't have any previous casting background before being hired by gom for their classic league.

I remember Mr.Hoon's blog where he said that Gom commentators are ex-OGN commentators. Also, I remember Lee Hyun Joo casting CS in OGN. But I myself don't know that well.
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Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2108 Posts
September 25 2011 20:03 GMT
#104
On September 25 2011 17:54 DelRax wrote:
I think if OGN was actually set up to broadcast SC2 (resolution, computers, caster knowledge(?)), they may be equivalent/better. And as someone who can't understand Korean, English commentary is a big boost.

OGN sure does have a nicer studio though, but as it is I'd say GOM wins.

I agree
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ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
September 25 2011 21:25 GMT
#105
GomTV's quality is better overall, but I could see OGN getting much better and much bigger as soon as they are allowed to. Kind of makes me feel bad for Gom, because they seem to have good intentions and do all the right things, but I just don't think they can compete with OGN in the long run. (Assuming ESPORTS doesn't die before then.)
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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
September 25 2011 21:41 GMT
#106
OGN all the way. Basically the only thing they aren't ahead in is the resolution.

Here is some subbed Korean BW commentary:

Part 1


+ Show Spoiler +






It's miles ahead of any english commentary. They are so much better both in game knowledge and in energy.
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nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
September 25 2011 21:57 GMT
#107
For those who are complaining about OGN's 4:3 low res, that's only for their Cable TV broadcast, they are planing to do free HD streaming for their internet broadcast.
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
September 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#108
On September 26 2011 06:57 nitdkim wrote:
For those who are complaining about OGN's 4:3 low res, that's only for their Cable TV broadcast, they are planing to do free HD streaming for their internet broadcast.


Got any info on this? I'd love to watch more of their shows.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 09:55:56
September 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#109
I like OGN better but I don't understand this poll at all.
It's like : who has better production ? LucasFilm or your dad filming your birthday ?
It's not like they have the same budget...
OGN just broadcast, GOM gives 150k$ per month for prizepool.
This poll is really comparing what shouldn't be compared.

But GOM has still some things to learn that wouldn't cost anything.
The doom zooms for instance :D

edit : someone misunderstood my post, OGN has more budget, well, I think at least.
SovietHammer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 22:38:46
September 25 2011 22:38 GMT
#110
I think its interesting to note that the majority of support for ogn comes from people with broodwar teams in their sigs, while most of people who can be assumed to be sc2 fans(without bw team icons) prefer gom and its english casting. Not having watched, I can't render an opinion, but from what brood war I have watched I know I would prefer english commentary.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
September 26 2011 00:15 GMT
#111
On September 26 2011 07:38 SovietHammer wrote:
I think its interesting to note that the majority of support for ogn comes from people with broodwar teams in their sigs, while most of people who can be assumed to be sc2 fans(without bw team icons) prefer gom and its english casting. Not having watched, I can't render an opinion, but from what brood war I have watched I know I would prefer english commentary.

This may be a coincidence. Personally I love both games equally.
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branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
September 26 2011 01:21 GMT
#112
On September 26 2011 07:19 MrCon wrote:
I like OGN better but I don't understand this poll at all.
It's like : who has better production ? LucasFilm or your dad filming your birthday ?
It's not like they have the same budget...
OGN just broadcast, GOM gives 150k$ per month for prizepool.
This poll is really comparing what shouldn't be compared.

But GOM has still some things to learn that wouldn't cost anything.
The doom zooms for instance :D


The doom zooms were half of what made OGN so good. Just because GOM have the money doesn't mean they're better by default. Remember, NASL had a pretty mighty production budget to work with for season 1.
Wout
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 01:27:34
September 26 2011 01:27 GMT
#113
In my ideal world, SC2 is commentated with the passion of the OGN casters, in GOM's studio and resolution, with English subtitles and replay analysis after the matches. As it stands though, I have to vote for GOM, just because the image quality is better. I enjoyed OGN's broadcast massively.
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
September 26 2011 01:36 GMT
#114
OGN firsts casts are like ten times better than GOM first ones. Except...






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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8071 Posts
September 26 2011 01:55 GMT
#115
Personally I feel like only some old BW fans can have the opinion that watching something in korean is more exciting/better in many ways than watching an english cast. I am one of those old BW fans and I love watching in Korean. Haven't voted yet because I still haven't watched the WCG games though...
Tasaio
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan61 Posts
September 26 2011 01:59 GMT
#116
Voting GOM for English casting. I'm watching vods and not replays because I want to have casters and I also want to understand what they are saying.

I do think that I would prefer OGN if I understood korean. I would also be perfectly satisfied with good English subtitles to the stream, but as it is: GOM.
Dakota69
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
September 26 2011 02:10 GMT
#117
If everyone that casted for Gom was Tastosis it would be awesome. Wolf is pretty good as well, but everyone else they have is just terrible. Tbh though, I'm just really glad that both Gom and OGN exist
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RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
September 26 2011 02:19 GMT
#118
OGN for life. OGN for broodwar, OGN for starcraft II when they want to switch.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 03:01:50
September 26 2011 02:56 GMT
#119
I think the people who are voting for OGN are voting because of the future.

They know that when OGN transitions to SC2, they'll fix the aspect ratio.
They know that they would probably get English casters (and many of them don't care - they apparently just like people yelling and excited. I prefer the in-depth analysis of an Artosis in a language I can understand but to each their own).
They know that OGN would actually start doing real SC2 filler content and produce screens and player photo pages with records and results like GSL does.

The fact is that right this second if you gave me a night of GSL Code S Ro32 broadcasts vs a night of OGN WCG Korea Ro32 broadcasts, I would watch the GSL without a question or doubt in my mind.

The production RIGHT NOW is far superior at GSL. I'm sorry, but it is true in pretty much every single way besides the replay analysis (well and the larger crowds). Even the observing was a little iffy because the observer didn't seem all that used to the new functions.

The poll doesn't say "Which of these will have better production in 6 months?". It doesn't say "Which one of these was better in Brood War?". It doesn't say "Which one of these do you like more?".

The poll says "SC2 production?", and in my mind the answer is pretty clear.
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
September 26 2011 03:59 GMT
#120
The Korean excitement is just so awesome, I get so pumped for every game, the main OGN commentator has always been good at getting me pumped :D! I have no clue what they're saying but I love it!

And I'd have to go with them because it helps me learn the Korean names of the players. I only know the BW players' actual names haha.
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