On August 04 2011 14:19 aupstar wrote: You're right, SKT has a lot of depth and has had an extremely strong season where they barely reached the ace match.
This simply means that bisu has been under less pressure to perform than someone like Flash/Jaedong.
The ace match really tests the caliber of the best player of the team in high perssure situations.
Bisu has to deal with little or none of that and so naturally he'd have less losses compared to someone like leta/flash/jaedong.
And for the record, I've watched the games against hyvaa live. It showed Bisu's multitasking isn't up to par with the best.
@ffreakk I don't see how you guys keep bringing up how Flash lost to hyuk in december of LAST year. It occurred far too long ago to be considered as something that influences the current PR. Bisu's loss on the other hand in the "OSL" prelims however is quite recent. But thank you for pointing out that it was my mistake as the poster. I posted that late at night and had them mixed up..
Say what? Why do you post so much bullshit that is just plainly wrong? At least check your stats before you post opinions like they are facts.
Flash has played a total of 36 games of regular PL (not counting playoffs) this season with 4 of them being ace matches, Bisu has played 40 with 6 of them being Ace matches. Leta has played a total of 30 regular PL games with 1 of them being ace matches. Jaedong is the only one with a bigger workload having played 43 games of regular PL and 6 of them being Ace matches.
Your opinion on Bisu`s multitasking leads me to believe you might just be a big troll, but im posting anyway as people might actually believe your statement about others having a harder PL workload when its clearly blatantly wrong.
Is it just me or do SKT fans like to make personal attacks...do you really think that will help change my mind?
Also, I would like to see how you came to that conclusion. Please link me to the source of your information.
I did go through some live report threads but I did not do such a thorough analysis...I saw hardly any ace games with the exceptions being Bisu playing ACE vs airforce and wookie in wemade..lol
His source is TLPD, which I dare say you need to visit more frequently...
And I dare say you should read the posts above you..>_>
Don't get sassy after posting post after post of utter bullshit.
Excuse me?
I don't need you to mother me in response to a conversation I had with someone else that was already solved.
Your comment was completely invalid and not required.
On August 03 2011 18:18 pvzvt wrote: i dont understand how people can rank people 1st or 2nd in the pr only bases on 1-2 games guys this is team effort not individual but since both teams has reached so far you cant really attribute it to 1 player and even if it is attributed to 1 player it was already calculated in previous pr in order for flash not taking #1 he'll need to lose set1 come back dressed up as hoejja and lose set 2 all the way to set (4 different costumes ) and skt will be sending only rookies from the b team
I don't understand how people think they can know all they need to know about a player from 8 games or 10 games or 12 games. You don't.
PR involves looking at a player's history and Bisu's play has been about as close to perfect as humanly possible for months. In all of 2011, the only bad things I can think of were dropping from OSL prelims (again), some sloppy PvP around March +/-, and his struggles with Kal and Stork earlier in the year.
Of course Flash is ahead right now. Even though Flash had some difficulties a month ago, he's been proving himself against better opponents both this month and last month (Bisu has had a fairly easy ride for 2 months). But if Bisu steps it up and beats the hardest opponents (not necessarily Flash twice, but maybe a looking-like-he's-in-form Stats and then Flash, or something like that), then I see no reason to deny him his dues. The fact is that it's these many months of success that allowed Bisu to take over as #1 by ELO.
I believe that performing in multiple leagues > performing to snipe mediocre players on certain maps in proleague.
If you're gonna talk about past histories then you've missed a biggy. He was knocked out of MSL prelims this year by hyvaa. That's his best MU in a Bo3.
Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of his opponents have been sub par with Bisu seldomly being sent in to play the ACE match.
Apparently you don't pay enough attention to Starcraft. I already covered the loss to hyvaa "...dropping from OSL prelims (again)"...which was NOT MSL, but OSL as I correctly stated the first time.
Of course doing well in multiple leagues is the goal. Bisu's inability to up his game for individual leagues is bad. He hasn't been playing poorly in individual leagues (although, please actually WATCH the games vs hyvaa instead of just hiding behind the result which everybody and their grandmother already knows), he just can't step his game up or vary his approach. Everyone knows that Bisu plays a Bisu style match every single game (whereas Flash, for instance, can vary his strategy and mindset a great deal) and because he's not NaDa he can't pull it off (at one point early in his career and before coaches played a relevant role in SC, NaDa would always follow a win with a rush in bo3, which is why so many of his bo3 results were WLW... everyone knew he was rushing; but in NaDa's case he was so far above everyone he could do stupid shit like that and win the series anyway).
But it has to be granted to Bisu that he's absolutely phenomenally good at what he does. And although he favors certain maps so does everyone, including Flash. Maps aren't the issue why he fails to advance in individual leagues.
Bisu is the primary ace player for SKT so I do not understand this remark. If he rarely plays ace it's because SKT matches rarely go to ace. A lot of his recent opponents have been subpar, this is true, but he's played and beaten a lot of strong players this year as well and there's no indication he has gotten worse. If anything, his wins continue looking super clean.
If Bisu carries SKT over KT including toppling Flash then I see no reason to deny him. That is all I have been saying. Important wins when the chips are down will put his past wins in perspective.
Obviously Bisu is not top 2 so far this PR period. Flash is the clear #1 and Zero has earned #2. #3 is probably Bisu because Hydra has been a bit inconsistent and JD has lost JvZ. But any kind of failure in the GF will probably push Hydra over Bisu. JD, having dropped out of OSL and not having been in the playoffs, is in a bad spot.
This quote was directly in response to my comment regarding Bisu seldomly playing ace matches.
Your response shows how this is a misconception that a lot of people may have regarding the issue (not just myself).
Perhaps you should make a few more regular trips to TLPD yourself instead of making crappy one liner responses to comments that were ALREADY responded to and SOLVED long before you pushed your nose into it.
Quit throwing temper tantrums. You were proved wrong, tried to argue it, got shot in the face, and now you're just trying to turn the heat up on me to take out your frustrations. Go let off steam elsewhere.
By the by, if you want to try to make me look bad, at least find an actual example of me fucking up.
On August 05 2011 19:24 Mortality wrote: Quit throwing temper tantrums. You were proved wrong, tried to argue it, got shot in the face, and now you're just trying to turn the heat up on me to take out your frustrations. Go let off steam elsewhere.
By the by, if you want to try to make me look bad, at least find an actual example of me fucking up.
You're right, I was proved wrong regarding the ACE match issue!
If you bothered to read my posts before telling me that I should read TLPD, you would see that I already conceded that I was wrong and moved on regarding the issue.
But being gentlemanly about such things I guess isn't the norm amongst people like you mortality.
Instead you decided to quote me on something that was already resolved and decided that it was a good idea to poke at me for doing something you yourself did not do.
And then continue by telling me that I post bullshit and throw temper tantrums...
Gosh, I scorn the day they ever make you PR writer.
Not to get personal here, but usually people who are/were on the wrong dont act like you do either. Sure, hes a little late in pointing out you are wrong, but its not like he was wrong about it. You, on the other hand, were wrong, and are probably better off just admitting it and accept rather than fighting back.
I too think that you are just throwing tantrum. Admitting that you are wrong doesnt wipe away your mistake. People can choose to ignore it or but they also can remind you that you are wrong. But instead of saying it nicely you chose to push the heat to him. >.<
i dont know but things are clear for me, bisu isnt in OSL , and flash is, so flash #1 is pretty secured, besides this MONTH bisu havent played and showed why he must be among the top 5.
On August 05 2011 19:24 Mortality wrote: Quit throwing temper tantrums. You were proved wrong, tried to argue it, got shot in the face, and now you're just trying to turn the heat up on me to take out your frustrations. Go let off steam elsewhere.
By the by, if you want to try to make me look bad, at least find an actual example of me fucking up.
You're right, I was proved wrong regarding the ACE match issue!
If you bothered to read my posts before telling me that I should read TLPD, you would see that I already conceded that I was wrong and moved on regarding the issue.
But being gentlemanly about such things I guess isn't the norm amongst people like you mortality.
Instead you decided to quote me on something that was already resolved and decided that it was a good idea to poke at me for doing something you yourself did not do.
And then continue by telling me that I post bullshit and throw temper tantrums...
Gosh, I scorn the day they ever make you PR writer.
Honestly? You could have ignored me. There are a million reasons why someone might be late to the punch but you decided to assume it's some kind of malicious conspiracy and throw a childish tantrum in order to vent your frustrations about being called out.
Let's not discuss what it means to be a gentleman when you are even further from being one than I am.
Mortality, you're being kind of a dick. Like seriously you're jumping all over some guy in the PR thread for an innocent mistake. The only tantrum I see here is you constantly jumping down his throat (yes, he was wrong).
Really? Because this is what I see: -I posted late. And not because I was deliberately piling up, but because when I posted that I hadn't realized I was late to the punch. It shouldn't have mattered, he should have just walked away. -He sassed me. -I called him on sassing me. -He threw a tantrum. -I called him on throwing a tantrum.
edit -- You know what, I'm not gonna get sucked up into this. Mortality, I think you're being too abrasive even if you're right -- and you know how much I respect you. That's about it, talk to you later
My thoughts for #1 is that it's more or less guaranteed to be Flash. Only possible way for Bisu to clinch it is if he completely humiliates Flash and Stats in a straight up macro game, which as much as I would like, is not going to happen. That way he can prove that his vT and vP are also nigh-perfect along with his vZ
That said if SKT want to win then they really don't want to be throwing Bisu at either two players except in the ace match. Just like last month, best position I could reasonably place Bisu would be #3 due to lack of games.
I assume we're not gonna wait 2 weeks for the next PR now?
Also, I don't think Mortality's comments were too abrasive. Oystein wasn't being personally offensive either. aupstar should just let it go with a full retraction of his comments when he is proven so conclusively wrong. Turning around and bitching at Oystein and Mortality is just poor.
Probably not. What with MSL being out of commission until October, I think SPL finals being delayed until the next PR will give it more meat. Otherwise it'd really only be OSL. I still have a few days before I'm really able to write anything conclusive though.
On August 07 2011 00:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: Might as well just skip August, then.
Huh, why? August PR will come out in a few days and has plenty of playoff, OSL, and MST games, plus a couple STX Masters. September PR will have OSL, STX Masters, and SPL Grand Finals. October PR will have nothing and will probably be skipped like last year. No reason to skip August.
EPT
