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Garth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States353 Posts
June 20 2011 21:33 GMT
#1
Dreamhack cuz huk won.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
June 20 2011 21:34 GMT
#2
Both seemed pretty cool to me.
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strahlemann
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany15 Posts
June 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#3
Dreamhack because: more broadcasted games on more channels, didnt miss games i was interested in
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
June 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#4
Dreamhack by a whisker. Finishing on a monday during the day was the only let down really.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
June 20 2011 21:45 GMT
#5
On June 21 2011 06:35 strahlemann wrote:
Dreamhack because: more broadcasted games on more channels, didnt miss games i was interested in


You hit the point. I like to watch games live that im interested in , non watch vod or reps
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Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
June 20 2011 21:48 GMT
#6
They were both outstanding event to follow online. Dreamhack feels more close to the comunity for me and MLG had its own amasing ambiance. It's just that we do it better in europe. God i miss ESWC good old days :'(
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
June 20 2011 21:48 GMT
#7
I feel like MLG had better scheduling in theory, Dreamhack streams were better. MLG player pool and finals were better, extended series and all. Monday finals brackets playoff really got me, too. Voted MLG.
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FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
June 20 2011 21:49 GMT
#8
Definitly MLG, just the athmosphere was so much better (sry, but games in a tent without the players in sight..) Also there were more games, more players, more drama.. just generally more excitement.

Only reason why Dreamhack is winning now imo is 1. because Huk won and 2. because it just ended a few hours ago which still makes you kinda be in that euphoria.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
June 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#9
both good. mlg probably shades it though, prefer that format, more ZOMG games, timed a bit better, only downside was lack of protoss
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TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
June 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#10
MLG felt more exiting to me because I could watch it more time rather than Dreamhack in which I could only catch some matches, I also think that Tasteosis was awesome at MLG so MLG > DH
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Profile Joined February 2011
United States137 Posts
June 20 2011 21:58 GMT
#11
MLG had less idle time on stream, had tastosis and the MC drama.

DH had almost every game displayed on at least one of their 5 streams(unlike MLG).

Certainly both events can learn from each other. If they did we would have two perfect lan events.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
June 20 2011 22:01 GMT
#12
MLG crowd was baller
exterminatus
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (North)142 Posts
June 20 2011 22:01 GMT
#13
Both were very enjoyable experience.
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
June 20 2011 22:03 GMT
#14
MLG crowd made the viewing experience amazing. Unfortunately, we didn't get that in Dreamhack until the finals.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 20 2011 22:06 GMT
#15
Dreamhack had better delivery via many streams but as many have said, the crowd sounds really made it for MLG. Booths all throughout + crowd cheers = epic.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 20 2011 22:08 GMT
#16
Dreamhack because I was actually able to watch it without the stream lagging more often than not.
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 20 2011 22:13 GMT
#17
On June 21 2011 06:45 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 06:35 strahlemann wrote:
Dreamhack because: more broadcasted games on more channels, didnt miss games i was interested in


You hit the point. I like to watch games live that im interested in , non watch vod or reps
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mlg was live too..
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
June 20 2011 22:15 GMT
#18
Dreamhack was awesome. So many more streams, more games... always something happening, and loads of sweet casters. Day[9], TotalBiscuit, Raelcun...

Too many damn breaks though. I missed the finals because of that two hour break, I left to do stuff and totally forgot about it until it was over. Shit.
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Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 20 2011 22:16 GMT
#19
Dreamhack's decision to seperate the crowd and the players was not the best decision, and MLG did that way better. On the other hand, Dreamhack had way higher stream quality, better game coverage and better players (Huk fighting ).

MLGs streaming solution is much more stable (though not quite stable enough, but it's getting there) than JTV. I don't get why major events like NASL and DH is using it, JTV has proven again and again that it just can't stay smooth for several hours.

I'd say both events are great, and hopefully they'll get even better in the future.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
June 20 2011 22:19 GMT
#20
Both were amazing. But columbus edged it out purely to having players on the stage the whole time when the games were casted so we could see them and have interviews. Thats the only thing DH lacked imo otherwise flawless event!
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
June 20 2011 22:27 GMT
#21
MLG by a nose. Both were a blast though
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 22:34:17
June 20 2011 22:28 GMT
#22
Dreamhack because A: it afaik wasn't quite as bad for the players (Thorzain's even said he won't go to an MLG again because the way he was treated - not even being allowed to get food for instance), even though the BYOC ran far into the night.

B: Better streams. Always HQ and several of them to cover all games played, even the open bracket, which was one of the more entertaining ones, and spawning the purple Cytoplasm fan club on TL.

C: Less commercials, less annoying commercials.

D: oGsMC casting!

E: Free HQ stream!! Sure they made the stream free at MLG because of the poor handling of it, but honestly MLG HD is like 360p

Edit: The biggest letdown with DH was seperating players and crowd, using JTV (who made that decision? JTV fails time and time again) and having the finals on a monday.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
June 20 2011 22:31 GMT
#23
Dreamhack was amazing!
I wish MC had won though.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
June 20 2011 22:35 GMT
#24
Its a bit unfair since Dreamhack is so freash in the memory. I have to go with both equally awesome though, cant choose for the life of me.
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nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
June 20 2011 22:38 GMT
#25
I loved them both but columbus takes it for me as i didnt feel as attached to the players as they were seperated, dreamhack stream also lagged alot for me whilst columbus didnt /shrug.
lukeppp
Profile Joined March 2011
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 22:42:13
June 20 2011 22:40 GMT
#26
Dreamhack by some distance. Casting was more interesting having 5 streams but saying all that, Dreamhack winter casting was much more enjoyable than summer. Turned of MLG due to the technical issues, competition structure is very poor and player pool not as strong (partly to do with the strucuture and this will only get worse as many EU players have already stated they not interested in mlg anymore).

DH winter was by some distance the best SC2 event todate, anywhere.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
June 20 2011 22:42 GMT
#27
Dreamhack because more games to watch on better streams with less adverts and breaks in general.

Plus other games like HoN, LoL (200k viewers lol!) and Quakelive TDM are a pretty viable watch too, relative to Halo and CoD anyway.

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BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
June 20 2011 22:43 GMT
#28
Dreamhack because there was more streams, that ran better, with a stronger player pool. Also, Dreamhack because im not just a starcraft fan. 3 seperate quake tournaments? Yes please Dreamhack! I'll take that over Black Ops any day
Twitchzor
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 22:49:44
June 20 2011 22:45 GMT
#29
Both equally as good. Both had their strenghts and weaknesses.

Nothing compares to Dreamhack Invitational though. People who think this Dreamhack or MLG C. was good and missed DHI- my god you missed something! Even IdrA said that tournament was "Impeccable". I hope we will be able to experience something that perfect in terms of E-Sports again.

*edit* You should add an option "Haven't watched both". I feel that many will vote MLG without having seen this Dreamhack and vice versa.
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darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
June 20 2011 22:46 GMT
#30
MLG, because I could actually watch it seeing how DH was in the middle of the night for my timezone anyways
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
June 20 2011 22:48 GMT
#31
I barely got to watch any of Dreamhack because of the time difference so I had to vote for MLG.
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lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
June 20 2011 22:50 GMT
#32
Wow, as of now the results are :

MLG Columbus (217) 37%
DreamHack (205) 35%
Both were equally great (160) 27%


It looks quite equally great to me ^^

Personally the games I watched in the MLG were more intense than the ones I watched at Dreamhack, but obviously it's because I didn't watch all of them, I suppose both events had their share of amazing games. But I watched all of the main stage MLG games(and a few series on the 2nd stream on 2nd monitor too), and I must admit that I was astonished by the entertainment quality of these games. MLG takes this one, but both events were really great to watch anyway.

The production quality was also outstanding for both events, perhaps the small occasionnal lags during MLG were a little bit frustrating, and Dreamhack providing top-notch HQ stream for free makes me tend to prefer Dreamhack on this side, but it's a really close call.

That's why I voted that "Both were equally great", kudos to both events' teams!

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Oh and
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.

great first reply btw
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Dyme
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany523 Posts
June 20 2011 22:57 GMT
#33
Dreamhack had much better stream quality. The best commentary you can get without Tastosis.

MLG Columbus had a much better atmosphere. And Tastosis. It wins.

Wonder why the "good room" at Dreamhack only was used for the Finals. Did they need it for Streetfighter? <.<
shizi
Profile Joined February 2008
United States210 Posts
June 20 2011 23:01 GMT
#34
mlg because of tastosis
grigorin
Profile Joined December 2009
Austria275 Posts
June 20 2011 23:03 GMT
#35
DH:
+Lots of streams
+MC casting
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MLG
+Stable stream
+Tastosis
-extended series
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
June 20 2011 23:10 GMT
#36
i will not choose between the two. its not a competition, both were great.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
June 20 2011 23:12 GMT
#37
MLG easy.

Higher production values, players were on stage and louder crowd.
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8D
Profile Joined June 2011
66 Posts
June 20 2011 23:14 GMT
#38
both cause Idra got owned by MC both times.
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thirnaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden876 Posts
June 20 2011 23:16 GMT
#39
The crowd at MLG was cooler by far, HuK showing his amazing skills at DH was nice But them at equal but im biased since i live in jönköping ;p
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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
June 20 2011 23:16 GMT
#40
I say that MLG won as there was always a great game to be seen in either of the two streams while in Dreamhack there were multiple moments when neither day 9 or TB were casting a game. :/

Both were amazing anyways and HuK won Dreamhack. Though, MLG comes ahead in production and entertainment (even though I got to see the best TvT ever in Dreamhack! xD).
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Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
June 20 2011 23:24 GMT
#41
Both were really good IMO, but i think id have to give it to dreamhack just cuz HuK won
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pinnacle
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
June 20 2011 23:24 GMT
#42
Both were great but I voted MLG because of the time difference for Dreamhack.
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 23:32:50
June 20 2011 23:30 GMT
#43
I actually liked both events, but as a watcher of the streams I really appreciated the behind the scenes stuff, interviews of the players, crowd reactions, booths and so on of MLG Columbus. Until the Grand Finals you did not even see the location a lot, no informations about the players, the players area - nothing. I liked the last Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational so much more because of the stage with 2GD, player interviews and the funny YT videos of SC2 parodies during the breaks.

What I did not liked about both events: Bo3 even for the semi finals and placement matches and Grand Finals only Bo5. This is disappointing especially as lot of those matches were quite short and instead you had huge breaks.

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leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
June 20 2011 23:33 GMT
#44
I could see the players and the crowd at all time! MLG
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1ManArmy
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands895 Posts
June 20 2011 23:37 GMT
#45
Both were amazing tournaments, alot of nerdchills this week!

MLG had that stylish smooth production feel + the amazing live enviroment. For me the live experience with the players actually interacting with eachother adds alot to the experience (Idra vs MC outside the booth.. MMA's Kamehameha, QXC's Interview, The Relay Race).

Dreamhack on the other hand had that summerish campy feel, with all those people in the Day9 Tent watching the games together. Even though the players were not visible, the casters/live audience still gave a good sense of importance and the games were amazing aswell. Alot of extremely epic macro games were shown. Glad to see Huk finally showing what he is capable of Congratulations to him!

So yeah, both events were amazing, and that made me a happy spectator.
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Skoop
Profile Joined March 2011
United States214 Posts
June 20 2011 23:40 GMT
#46
seeing the players made mlg better for me
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Zaucy
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden13 Posts
June 20 2011 23:43 GMT
#47
On June 21 2011 08:24 pinnacle wrote:
Both were great but I voted MLG because of the time difference for Dreamhack.


Then I should vote for Dreamhack because of the time difference. Invalid argument lol.

MLG: I wished there were more of a schedule of what players were up next, ect. It was very hard to keep track what players were going to play on what stream.

The both streams should have some little list of what to see (when they know what players & match ups). Me and my friends had problems knowing what stream would show what match without streaming both at the same time (but muting the other one we didn't watch at the time).

Also the MLG commercials was a lot louder than the stream it self, compared to DH commercials.

But we enjoyed both events very much!
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
June 20 2011 23:43 GMT
#48
MLG by a hair, due to more stage matches.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
June 20 2011 23:49 GMT
#49
Both were amazing in their own respect, but I was so much more hyped about MLG and the drama surrounding it. I didn't really care about DreamHack all that much, but for MLG I spent the entire day watching the stream, especially on the final day. So MLG gets my vote.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
June 20 2011 23:54 GMT
#50
dreamhack since everything Americans do Europeans can do better
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
June 21 2011 00:00 GMT
#51
MLG, bigger more enthusiastic crowd. Lot's of drama too
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
June 21 2011 00:02 GMT
#52
Losira vs MMA made for a better show than HuK vs Moon, so MLG for me.

I always appreciated the constant player cams, the fact that you didn't have to choose between 6 streams, the video feeds of the audience, Tastosis, the MLG-GSL ties, and the double elimination and championship bracket of MLG
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Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
June 21 2011 00:03 GMT
#53
the production made by MLG was so incredibly amazing and despite a slight thunderstorm (which they can't really be blamed for) flawless. So MLG got my vote, but dreamhack was pretty damn solid as well!
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
June 21 2011 00:06 GMT
#54
I voted for both equally great, since they are different styles in tournament format.

When watching MLG, it is exciting to see any pro player who is new to MLG can make it from the open bracket to Championship sunday in a more forgiving double elimination american style bracket.
Dreakhack has a good old fasion world cup style, where group plays are first for the qualified players, then top players from each group moved into a single elimination bracket.

Both formats are nice, while we had about same amount of talents from the player pool comparing MLG Comlubus with DHS11. Not sure who had more spectators in person and from online streams.
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baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1092 Posts
June 21 2011 00:09 GMT
#55
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.


this 1000x this :D HuK played amazing was great to see... though production wise I think that MLG has it
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
June 21 2011 00:34 GMT
#56
mlg had better scheduling. never asked myself when is what and where . mlg had players in boxes witch i like alot! . i liked more the way the brackets worked and playoffs in dreamhack. Both are awsome. maybe a MLGhack would be interesting
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Doppelganger
Profile Joined May 2010
488 Posts
June 21 2011 00:34 GMT
#57
The 5 stream arrangement with lots of breaks and simultaneous coverage meant that I could only catch very few games live and had to wait quite a lot to see something. I liked MLG way more.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
June 21 2011 00:34 GMT
#58
oh yeah and finishing on a monday is proposturous. oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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et
Profile Joined September 2010
Switzerland367 Posts
June 21 2011 00:36 GMT
#59
MLG by far. The audience being in the same room as the players really makes a difference, both for the viewers (audience of course, but also stream) and players, the games were far better (i didn't see anything as entertaining as losira vs mma or losira vs mc on dreamhack).
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Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
June 21 2011 00:46 GMT
#60
On June 21 2011 09:36 et wrote:
MLG by far. The audience being in the same room as the players really makes a difference, both for the viewers (audience of course, but also stream) and players, the games were far better (i didn't see anything as entertaining as losira vs mma or losira vs mc on dreamhack).


I totally agree. People keep saying how amazing the games from this Dreamhack were - every single game I saw was disappointingly not up to the usual standards of the players. From the terrible performances of the highly touted guys like Kas and Happy to the mediocrity displayed by Idra and Thorzain. I don't know what was going on this weekend, but it seemed like everyone, even the usually impeccable Koreans, were making mistakes left and right. Bomber's TvZ suddenly went down the gutter, and July was lackluster the entire event.

The only saving graces were MC's casting and Huk/Moon doing well.
ObsidianArbiter
Profile Joined June 2011
United States9 Posts
June 21 2011 00:52 GMT
#61
I think the games themselves were better at MLG but unfortunately MLG doesn't handle things nearly as well as Dreamhack.
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Freeheals
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States488 Posts
June 21 2011 00:58 GMT
#62
MLG because of casters, streaming hours (I live on EST), and seeing the players in booths for a large number of games added an extra element to the tourney
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Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 01:12:02
June 21 2011 01:07 GMT
#63
[x] dreamhack: superb stream quaility, ton of games, no mega loud annoying advertisement every 5 minutes
rockerman101
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
June 21 2011 01:14 GMT
#64
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.
thanks 4 no spoiler alert
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
June 21 2011 01:17 GMT
#65
Dreamhack's the king so far in my book because of the content. 5 english +1german + 1 russian streams running 24/7, you could see any match that you wanted to see at any time since they were close to perfect on a good connection.

seeing the players compete is what matters to me, no MC show can make up for dozens of interesting series being unavailable (and a senselessly convoluted format thinning out great players somewhere far away from the stage where the as little as 5-10 star players are doing their thing beneath the mighty voice of day9).

MLG had the vibe down perfectly, it felt more exciting because the off-stage action, but the delivery of the content was sub-par compared to DH in every aspect from duration to actual available content to tech problems, to casting diversity, to tournament format, to commercial interruptions.

i bet the poll results would look very different had DH happened before MLG. loved MLG, but frankly, this DH set the bar for how an esports event is to be run at the very highest of standards. DH was a more professional event all around, and it sems to me of the big organizers these guys got the least to improve on by far.
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
June 21 2011 01:21 GMT
#66
IMO MLG was little bit better but both were still great!
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
June 21 2011 01:21 GMT
#67
Both of course, DH because a foreigner won and MLG because of the games were much better overall. ^_^
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
June 21 2011 01:33 GMT
#68
MLG because dreamhack finals were on monday =( =( =(

people work make the group stages friday and finals on sunday!!!
Try another route paperboy.
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
June 21 2011 01:38 GMT
#69
Dreamhack was 8 billion times better because
1. I was able to get VODs quite quickly after the matches had concluded.
2. I could watch them in a spoiler free manner!
3. Dreamhack casted nearly every single match.
Thank you Dreamhack!

Also, thank you to Team Liquid for posting a thread that allowed me to reveal matches at my leisure without spoilers! I hope this kind of thing will continue for each and every big SC2 event in the future.
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
June 21 2011 01:40 GMT
#70
This is pretty subjective, but MLG just felt more exciting and I could feel the tension between players and rivalries going on. Dreamhack kinda felt like "eh, a bunch of games are being played" and the only times I was actually excited was when Liquid players were playing. Also, the long waiting times between the later games were annoying and MLG streams were better for me in Australia (lag-free all the time).

However, I can't just whine about Dreamhack, they put out 6 streams and gave us an amazing event for free, it's just that I found MLG a bit more enjoyable.
Dakota
Profile Joined November 2010
United States62 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 01:41:07
June 21 2011 01:40 GMT
#71
Dreamhack had a foreigner winner

Columbus had Tastosis

I put they were equal.
BasharMentat
Profile Joined January 2011
Chile22 Posts
June 21 2011 01:58 GMT
#72
MLG Columbus for me only because i could not watch Dreamhack finals. I think scheduling DH finals to a Monday cut a lot of potential stream viewers, at least for me its was impossible to watch DH while working.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
June 21 2011 02:32 GMT
#73
MLG, because it wasn't held in what appears to be a giant white greenhouse.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
June 21 2011 02:35 GMT
#74
MLG Columbus because I was there in person and I didn't have to work during it causing me to miss most of the tournament (was the case for Dreamhack). So yeah its a biased and mostly uniformed opinion considering I didn't catch much of Dreamhack but there you have it.
Moderator
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
June 21 2011 03:08 GMT
#75
MLG.

Higher quality games, higher quality casting, better atmosphere. Non-laggy stream also.


Dreamhack was good, dont get me wrong...
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
June 21 2011 03:10 GMT
#76
I enjoyed them both, however I think Dreamhack was a little bit better because I didn't have to stream switch, just stayed to day9
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
Cryptos
Profile Joined May 2011
United States35 Posts
June 21 2011 03:38 GMT
#77
dreakhuk
♥♥♥
ganbatte ♥
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 04:16:43
June 21 2011 03:40 GMT
#78
MLG by a mile

+ Tastosis
+ More Games
+ Stable streams
+ Amazing Crowd and Atmosphere
+ Ton of stories/Drama
+ Player Cams


Watching Dreamhack was a Heartache for me, Stream would lag/freeze every 5-7 secs, and it only happened on DeamHack streams.
Syorm
Profile Joined April 2011
131 Posts
June 21 2011 04:03 GMT
#79
IDRA VS MC was amazing
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 04:12:10
June 21 2011 04:10 GMT
#80
Columbus had more games all the time, had live interviews, in-booth (BOOTH) cameras, a bigger and better LAN environment, MLG's streams were better. Also the fact that all of it was streamed from the site made the event better than Dreamhack.

I must comment, however, on the rediculously amazing production on Day9tv during the event. The games on monday, the lack of constant action, and a weird time frame, for me put Dreamhack behind MLG Columbus, but the production on Day9tv at the very least was extremely extremely top notch! The moving pictures, the smooth animations, the eye-pleasing sponsor logos distinctly, but not distractingly in the bottom. Amazing stuff guys.

Both had relatively annoying ads, however... I'd much rather more frequent ads than an ad every time the stream starts up, because I can't do much prolonged watching, and would rather not get every first 30 seconds of watch time eaten up by an ad.
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
June 21 2011 05:05 GMT
#81
Both we're great
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
June 21 2011 05:17 GMT
#82
I loved both.
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
June 21 2011 05:38 GMT
#83
If we are talking just about SC2 then I don't understand how this poll is so close. MLG Columbus was clearly superior in fan turnout, tourney format, casting, drama, finals, etc etc. Stream lag happened at both events.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
June 21 2011 05:38 GMT
#84
Dreamhack easily. All the games were broadcasted, the players were given better treatment, the players were better, and the games were simply better.

The only thing MLG had over Dreamhack was that it had Tastosis. Oh, and Americans - there's a lot of Americans on this site represented by all the recent surveys.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 05:42:53
June 21 2011 05:39 GMT
#85
On June 21 2011 14:38 tyCe wrote:
Dreamhack easily. All the games were broadcasted, the players were given better treatment, the players were better, and the games were simply better.

The only thing MLG had over Dreamhack was that it had Tastosis. Oh, and Americans - there's a lot of Americans on this site represented by all the recent surveys.


I thought Europeans were the most populous on this site O_o

Actually seems pretty even b/w EU and NA http://www.teamliquid.net/poll/index.php?poll_id=478
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
June 21 2011 06:03 GMT
#86
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.



spoilers please :\
flamekin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States72 Posts
June 21 2011 06:06 GMT
#87
mlg cause they had 2 great streams always showing something, while dreamhack had to wait for the schedule to play next game that was bothersome especially on finals day when it was like a 40 min wait between each match
BertiliO
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden134 Posts
June 21 2011 06:22 GMT
#88
Both events were really good, however DH had so many streams(games all the time) and crisp and stable 720p stream at that. MLG HQ is terrible(i'm an HD whore) but on the other hand they had tastosis. Dreamhack S>MLG C

They should have the games played in that cool venue with booths from ro16.
starclaws
Profile Joined April 2010
United States12 Posts
June 21 2011 06:30 GMT
#89
According to the vote... everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit. Dreamhack is the biggest in the world. MLG is a joke of a tour around the US and they can't figure out small issues like audio and such.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
June 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#90
On June 21 2011 15:30 starclaws wrote:
According to the vote... everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit. Dreamhack is the biggest in the world. MLG is a joke of a tour around the US and they can't figure out small issues like audio and such.


"everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit" ? explain.

Dreamhack bigger then MLG is questionable.
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
June 21 2011 07:00 GMT
#91
Dreamhack i think, because of better streaming. Though i did not like the waiting between games.
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 07:16:49
June 21 2011 07:09 GMT
#92
Non muteable adds lol.
Dj wheat casting lol.
Like 1 series casted every 1.5h lol.
Do we have to really stare at the casters face for so long lol.
2 streams but both show same game with same casters lol.
Easyyy DH

zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 07:24:09
June 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#93
On June 21 2011 16:09 Sea_Food wrote:
Non muteable adds lol.
Dj wheat casting lol.
Like 1 series casted every 1.5h lol.
Do we have to really stare at the casters face for so long lol.
2 streams but both show same game with same casters lol.
Easyyy DH




1. Sucks to not have a volume control for your speakers in the 21st century or ad-block
2. oh you're a wheat hater
3. false
4. why you staring at their faces?
5. That only happened for the finals which was the last games and it gave spectators a choice of Tastosis or DJ9
Sqalevon
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands523 Posts
June 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#94
Up until the finals it was equal, but I feel the finals of MLG Columbus give it the edge over Dreamhack.
Beaster-
Profile Joined May 2011
United States46 Posts
June 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#95
only reason i chose mlg was cause i could watch it all live. DH was starting at 12:00 AM-1:00PM for me :|
Hatorade
Profile Joined July 2010
299 Posts
June 21 2011 07:26 GMT
#96
I voted MLG, but DH was very very awesome as well I'm glad tournaments are really taking it to the next level to make it more enjoyable for viewers.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 07:31:34
June 21 2011 07:30 GMT
#97
MLG <Strem quality> DH
MLG <Strem stability> DH
MLG <Casters> DH
MLG <Coverage> DH
MLG <Venue> DH
MLG <Drama> DH
MLG <Crowd> DH (Draw - MLG had better venue though for more crowd involvment)
MLG <Prize pool> DH

3-4 in an epic Bo7!
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
June 21 2011 07:33 GMT
#98
Very close. Both executed very well. Prefer DH's vod system too (all on Day's stream already what can you do.)

Still MLG's dual streams with tastosis and almost constant games has to get the edge.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
June 21 2011 07:35 GMT
#99
How does DH win Stream Stability? Black screens, plus lag whenever its ingame gives DH the win?
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
June 21 2011 07:39 GMT
#100
On June 21 2011 15:03 gaizka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.



spoilers please :\


why would you vote/read this thread if you have not seen the summer dreamhack?
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 21 2011 07:41 GMT
#101
On June 21 2011 15:44 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 15:30 starclaws wrote:
According to the vote... everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit. Dreamhack is the biggest in the world. MLG is a joke of a tour around the US and they can't figure out small issues like audio and such.


"everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit" ? explain.

Dreamhack bigger then MLG is questionable.

Not really, DH is way larger event than MLG. It isn't even close. If you ignore everything but the Starcraft 2 parts of MLG and DH, then yes, MLG isn't that far behind but overall, DH is huge.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
June 21 2011 07:47 GMT
#102
On June 21 2011 16:41 Chenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 15:44 zaii wrote:
On June 21 2011 15:30 starclaws wrote:
According to the vote... everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit. Dreamhack is the biggest in the world. MLG is a joke of a tour around the US and they can't figure out small issues like audio and such.


"everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit" ? explain.

Dreamhack bigger then MLG is questionable.

Not really, DH is way larger event than MLG. It isn't even close. If you ignore everything but the Starcraft 2 parts of MLG and DH, then yes, MLG isn't that far behind but overall, DH is huge.


How many events does DH host a year compared to MLG? and totaly prize money?

And there's still the fact that MLG is a league and DH is just one or two huge LANS.

See that's why I said questionable.
gladheateher1337
Profile Joined June 2011
164 Posts
June 21 2011 07:47 GMT
#103
MLG for sure
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
June 21 2011 08:01 GMT
#104
It has to be that they were equal but in different ways I think.

Dreamhack:
Streams (Better quality and more)
Tournament format (more fair and can you say no extended series!)
Coverage (Didn't have to miss a single game)
Timezone (I am from Sweden so it was much easier for me to watch)
Huk

MLG:
Casters (Dreamhack had more but MLG had Tasotsis)
Schedule (streaming was more consistent)
Mainstage (only final game of Dreamhack showed player reactions when they won)
Sc2 focus
MC Antics
Sok4R
Profile Joined November 2006
Germany124 Posts
June 21 2011 08:05 GMT
#105
Both had great games, but I go with DreamHuK
Frag Everything that isn't you
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
June 21 2011 08:25 GMT
#106
MLG, cause of tastosis, double elimination and no stupid one bo3 in the semifinal and you're out.

(also it may be a luxory-problem, but i found 2 mlg-streams (red'n blue) better to handle, than switching between 5 streams to find the game that i find most interesting.
"Eyo lesson' here, Bey. You're comin' at the king, you best not miss."
BertiliO
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden134 Posts
June 21 2011 08:38 GMT
#107
On June 21 2011 16:35 zaii wrote:
How does DH win Stream Stability? Black screens, plus lag whenever its ingame gives DH the win?


U must have 56k modem or something, the main stream and TB stream had no downtime for me. And about number 5 in your previous post, if you were watching the MLG C event there was alot of times the streams showed the same games. I have no clue why ur acting so defenive, both were great events.
RealRook
Profile Joined September 2010
Czech Republic54 Posts
June 21 2011 09:03 GMT
#108
Free stream (MLGs was not intended to be free), every game game streamed,less commercials, more viewers, better players, better times for euros = DH was better
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
June 21 2011 09:09 GMT
#109
On June 21 2011 17:38 BertiliO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 16:35 zaii wrote:
How does DH win Stream Stability? Black screens, plus lag whenever its ingame gives DH the win?


U must have 56k modem or something, the main stream and TB stream had no downtime for me. And about number 5 in your previous post, if you were watching the MLG C event there was alot of times the streams showed the same games. I have no clue why ur acting so defenive, both were great events.


Thats the thing i didn't have 56k and the DH streams were lagging. Not being defensive just wanted to state the facts.

On the MLG part yea i got that wrong, forgot the casters had breaks so they fused the streams.
flamekin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States72 Posts
June 21 2011 09:20 GMT
#110
On June 21 2011 17:01 Krogan wrote:
It has to be that they were equal but in different ways I think.

Dreamhack:
Streams (Better quality and more)
Tournament format (more fair and can you say no extended series!)
Coverage (Didn't have to miss a single game)
Timezone (I am from Sweden so it was much easier for me to watch)
Huk

MLG:
Casters (Dreamhack had more but MLG had Tasotsis)
Schedule (streaming was more consistent)
Mainstage (only final game of Dreamhack showed player reactions when they won)
Sc2 focus
MC Antics


i actually prefer MLG's double elimination, which i think is more fair, and yielded more games. the reason there was no extended series because it went from group play to single elimination not that extended series bothers me too much
i would have liked to see bo5 for semi finals and third and bo7 for finals at dreamhack too :/
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
June 21 2011 09:39 GMT
#111
MLG because of production, getting player interviews more often, seeing the crowd more often and the stream was more stable.
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
June 21 2011 09:46 GMT
#112
MLG as a tournament without a doubt. They are purely a tournament and only three games which have a lot more potential. If they didn't do it better than dreamhack it would've been a shame.

DH Invitational > MLG Colombus 2011 > Dreamhack Summer > Dreamhack winter -- MLG 2010 > MLG Dallas 2011

in my experience at least
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
June 21 2011 09:50 GMT
#113
Dreamhack was better for me.

+ It was at a better timezone for me, I did not have to ruin my whole sleep schedule.
+ Every! game was casted, I did not have to miss any of my favorite players.
+ MC Casting
+ Way better games, Dreamhack produced some amazing games.
+ Bigger talent pool.
+ Moon showed how good he is.
+ Relaxed atmosphere.
+ I also like to watch Quake, LoL etc. Halo and CoD are not interesting to watch.

- You didn't see the players.
- Justin.tv, I seriously don't get this. The majority of the people who watched Dreamhack were probably Europeans (Because of the timezones) and Justin.tv is still really bad in Europe.
- No Tastosis.
RenardDesMers
Profile Joined April 2011
France76 Posts
June 21 2011 10:22 GMT
#114
I quite enjoyed Dreamhack, though not as much as MLG

Dreamhack pros:
+ more casters (day[9] of course but really enjoyed TotalBiscuit + TLO, even oGs.MC !)
+ better stream quality/stability
+ my timezone (ok it's a bad one, but still)
+ many players from europe that weren't in mlg


Dreamhack cons:
- website was very messy, finding schedules and streams from the website was not clear
- No post game interviews except for the finals
- Uneven quality of streams (day9tv was cool, totalBiscuit cast was nice but no other cam than the SC2 game, didn't quite like the others as much)
- players not on the main stage, without cams (=> less drama)
- stream idle times, also last rounds on a monday (at least finals were in the evening so working people could watch)
- justin.tv ads everytime you launched a stream
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6170 Posts
June 21 2011 10:25 GMT
#115
MLG Colombus have my vote since I work on monday and I can't watch the semi-final / final

n_n
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 10:31:53
June 21 2011 10:28 GMT
#116
I actually laughed out loud everytime the overlay guy writes something in Dreamhacks tournaments :D:D

Dreamhack did a few misstakes, the biggest one was no player + audience interaction.
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1992 Posts
June 21 2011 10:32 GMT
#117
Dreamhack by a mile. Much higher quality stream that is free, you can watch any game you want to. Fair format for the players, and a very much higher quality set of players. The only thing that was better at MLG was having Tastosis. MC casting was amazing too
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
June 21 2011 10:32 GMT
#118
dreamhack!
Better match times! (well I live in Europe... )
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
June 21 2011 10:37 GMT
#119
On June 21 2011 15:03 gaizka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.



spoilers please :\


You read this thread and expected to not get any spoilers?
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
Dormdotz
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia3 Posts
June 21 2011 10:46 GMT
#120
Huk winning Dreamhack definately makes it better. and it was cute how july tried taking the grand prize check.
i like turtles
Duredax
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden3 Posts
June 21 2011 10:49 GMT
#121
On June 21 2011 15:44 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 15:30 starclaws wrote:
According to the vote... everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit. Dreamhack is the biggest in the world. MLG is a joke of a tour around the US and they can't figure out small issues like audio and such.


"everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit" ? explain.

Dreamhack bigger then MLG is questionable.



Dreamhack is the worlds biggest LAN by fact.
Deleted User 176289
Profile Joined April 2011
169 Posts
June 21 2011 10:50 GMT
#122
--- Nuked ---
Duredax
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden3 Posts
June 21 2011 10:52 GMT
#123
On June 21 2011 18:09 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 17:38 BertiliO wrote:
On June 21 2011 16:35 zaii wrote:
How does DH win Stream Stability? Black screens, plus lag whenever its ingame gives DH the win?


U must have 56k modem or something, the main stream and TB stream had no downtime for me. And about number 5 in your previous post, if you were watching the MLG C event there was alot of times the streams showed the same games. I have no clue why ur acting so defenive, both were great events.


Thats the thing i didn't have 56k and the DH streams were lagging. Not being defensive just wanted to state the facts.

On the MLG part yea i got that wrong, forgot the casters had breaks so they fused the streams.


Get better internet, I was downloading and still had 0 lags.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
June 21 2011 10:52 GMT
#124
Both > GSL for sure.
Its grack
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 21 2011 10:54 GMT
#125
On June 21 2011 19:52 Duredax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 18:09 zaii wrote:
On June 21 2011 17:38 BertiliO wrote:
On June 21 2011 16:35 zaii wrote:
How does DH win Stream Stability? Black screens, plus lag whenever its ingame gives DH the win?


U must have 56k modem or something, the main stream and TB stream had no downtime for me. And about number 5 in your previous post, if you were watching the MLG C event there was alot of times the streams showed the same games. I have no clue why ur acting so defenive, both were great events.


Thats the thing i didn't have 56k and the DH streams were lagging. Not being defensive just wanted to state the facts.

On the MLG part yea i got that wrong, forgot the casters had breaks so they fused the streams.


Get better internet, I was downloading and still had 0 lags.

It has nothing to do with one's internet, JTV has major problem, at least in europe. You might have been lucky with which servers you got connected to, or you just didn't watch during some of the numerous times JTV failed some of us.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
June 21 2011 10:55 GMT
#126
On June 21 2011 19:52 Duredax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 18:09 zaii wrote:
On June 21 2011 17:38 BertiliO wrote:
On June 21 2011 16:35 zaii wrote:
How does DH win Stream Stability? Black screens, plus lag whenever its ingame gives DH the win?


U must have 56k modem or something, the main stream and TB stream had no downtime for me. And about number 5 in your previous post, if you were watching the MLG C event there was alot of times the streams showed the same games. I have no clue why ur acting so defenive, both were great events.


Thats the thing i didn't have 56k and the DH streams were lagging. Not being defensive just wanted to state the facts.

On the MLG part yea i got that wrong, forgot the casters had breaks so they fused the streams.


Get better internet, I was downloading and still had 0 lags.


it's not the internet.
sambo400
Profile Joined March 2011
United States378 Posts
June 21 2011 11:05 GMT
#127
Dreamhack needs to turn the in game music up on their casts, sc without music is lame.
j0br
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 11:08:26
June 21 2011 11:06 GMT
#128
DreamHack was much better in terms of streams, broadcasting, information, price and vods.

MLG has to step up.
For starters they could make a new website, where people don't need to go to TL to find a direct link to the "buy event" page.
Second, Vods, Vods, Vods. It is just not good enough that they don't upload vod's while the event is running.
Third, better information about brackets, schedules, etc (mabye a result of their bad website)
Fourth, the price is too high (compaired to what they offer, i think GSL is fair priced)
Fifth, More streams is nice, and compaired to Dreamhack, is just not there yet.

MLG is a cool event and the games were really great, but in my opinion it is by far the least cool big SC2 tournament.

Edit, I agree with the people complaining about the missing ingame music at DH.

Let me know if you disagree.
gg
Grimskov
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 11:31:34
June 21 2011 11:30 GMT
#129
I don't understand why in DH they used that awesome Main Stage only for the finals

Day[9]TV tent was cool, but not even close to what we experienced while watching MLG.


EDIT: Tastosis was a huge + as well.
MFMulti
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden69 Posts
June 21 2011 11:48 GMT
#130
There and things i feel that MLG did better than DH. But that works both ways so i say that they were both equally gosu! Loved em both! =)
glhf ♥
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
June 21 2011 11:53 GMT
#131
Easy, DH. Better players & streams.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
gladheateher1337
Profile Joined June 2011
164 Posts
June 21 2011 11:59 GMT
#132
Easy,MLG.Better production,brackets and casters
ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
June 21 2011 12:29 GMT
#133
Dreamhack was great but i missed more coverage and stage cams. There should be more games like the final one. I also didnt like that there was no lower bracket.

mlg was very good but i missed good quality streams^^

Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 12:32:25
June 21 2011 12:31 GMT
#134
MLG by a landslide. DH was a much smaller tournament and yet single elimination, finals on Monday (LOL), too much downtime, weird crowd and Day[9] way below his standard. Props for the results and for having TB/iCCup/Khaldor though.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
June 21 2011 13:07 GMT
#135
Columbus. The atmosphere was waaay better.
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djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
June 21 2011 13:29 GMT
#136
Both were amazing for their own reasons. DH is also a twice a year event, where MLG is almost monthly. Both tell different stories too... as MLG's carries over from one event to the next. DH is more of a "one off".

Both delivered awesome players, great coverage, sweet games... so both get mad props!
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EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 14:05:29
June 21 2011 14:04 GMT
#137
I can say that both of them were good, but what i really liked was the fact regarding 5streams
so i could watch anymatch.
and BTW will be replays of dreamhack?
if play random i can't call any race imba?
Zorkey
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands167 Posts
June 21 2011 14:08 GMT
#138
MLG had MMA vs IdrA's early GG, wich is an epic (but soooo sadd ;<<) moment in esports History. i had more OMFG EPIC moments with MLG.

so i went for MLG.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
June 21 2011 14:13 GMT
#139
DreamHuk
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
June 21 2011 14:35 GMT
#140
♥DreamHuk♥ for sure . Almost entirely because I'm a total Huk fanboy but possibly also because I watched all of the games I wanted to watch in a row! VODs are great for those of us who live VERY far away from all these fancy events .
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101998
Profile Joined December 2010
United States318 Posts
June 21 2011 14:55 GMT
#141
I enjoyed watching MLG way more. Not sure why but I just couldn't get into Dreamhack. Maybe it was that the end of the bracket was going to be played out on Monday morning while I was at work ruined it for me. If Dreamhack ended on Sunday I think I would have been more into it.
Larryx
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland148 Posts
June 21 2011 15:09 GMT
#142
DH is better but i like MLG format more (besides extended series that is)
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Sajiki
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany522 Posts
June 21 2011 15:19 GMT
#143
On June 21 2011 06:49 FlopTurnReaver wrote:
Definitly MLG, just the athmosphere was so much better (sry, but games in a tent without the players in sight..) Also there were more games, more players, more drama.. just generally more excitement.

Only reason why Dreamhack is winning now imo is 1. because Huk won and 2. because it just ended a few hours ago which still makes you kinda be in that euphoria.

totally this!
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warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
June 21 2011 15:24 GMT
#144
MLG by miles. Its all about the atmosphere, period. Watching DH on stream was like watching competo cup or any other tiny small online event, just as detached from the actual players, it was sad. MLG captured the atmosphere brilliantly which added infinite amounts of value into the tournament. I do not want to see day9 and the other dudes face the moment an epic game finished, i want to see the stage and crowds/players reaction. You dont have that, u have a standard online event, which is what essentially dreamhack felt like, unexciting.

Excitement in esports is everything, as it incorporates all other aspects such as player skill, specific rivalries, caster hype, everything combines to create "excitement" and that is where MLG dominated dreamhack. MLG vs. DH as a lan event is not even close, as a bunch of games, its debatable.

P.S Gratz huk, well deserved, some great play this weekend
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
June 21 2011 15:30 GMT
#145
dreamhack cos MLG still has a shitty format
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
June 21 2011 15:34 GMT
#146
Things Dreamhack needs to fix in no particular order:

1. Player + audience interaction (you can't cast an entire event without actually showing us any players except in the finals, that's really bad)
2. Semi finals can't be bo3, should be bo5
3. Finals can't be bo5, should be bo7
4. Have a real host (aka 2GD at the invitational)
5. Needs to use Dream Arena Extreme ALOT more (it's perfect, why don't they use it more? When they cast SC2 there, there are actually more people outside who wants to get in than there are people inside watching.)
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Grotchen
Profile Joined June 2011
16 Posts
June 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#147
Dream Huck !!!!!!!!!!!!
kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
June 21 2011 15:49 GMT
#148
Pretty darn dumb question considering both the nature and magnitude of both events. Dreamhack was an exceptionally well organized tournament, but that's just what you can expect from a 32 player competition. MLG is way bigger.

You can't compared both events through the same "glasses".

On the other hand, as a consumer looking for entertainment, MLG won by a long margin.

2 streams were more than you could follow (DH had 5, but you could only really watch the main stream, as TotalBiscuit and Raelcun are... uh... i'll let you decide on that one...), and the overall quality of games were slightly better in my opinion.

Still, keep good events coming. ^ - ^
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Zeetee
Profile Joined December 2010
United States153 Posts
June 21 2011 15:55 GMT
#149
for me, MLG columbus had better hours and a less confusing stream/schedule.
Keype
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden455 Posts
June 21 2011 15:56 GMT
#150
dreamhack by far, everything was superiour basically, but mostly the player pool and the format tbh. But to give creds to mlg its after all the biggest lan in the world they are competing with^^
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 21 2011 16:06 GMT
#151
mlg was far more entertaining for me.
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ziegler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
June 21 2011 16:09 GMT
#152
Dreamhack wins on stream quality, more games, better result! :-)
MLG wins for deeper talent pool and ending on Sunday, not Monday when I'm at work and can't watch
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
June 21 2011 16:18 GMT
#153
More coverage, a better tournament format and no extended series bullshit make Dreamhack the clear winner, even with the scheduling being internationally unfriendly (that Monday was a holiday in Sweden, but not everywhere else).
Deleted User 173828
Profile Joined April 2011
70 Posts
June 21 2011 16:23 GMT
#154
Definitely DreamHack. HuK won (a non-Korean ... yayayaya). 'Nuff said.
ScaringKids
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal819 Posts
June 21 2011 16:23 GMT
#155
Both were awsome events.
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Deleted User 173828
Profile Joined April 2011
70 Posts
June 21 2011 16:24 GMT
#156
Only downside is that it ended Monday and I barely got to see the final because of work.
SamsLiST
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany184 Posts
June 21 2011 16:26 GMT
#157
great events, both of them
Day000
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium58 Posts
June 21 2011 16:31 GMT
#158
The extended series at MLG looked unfair too me. The very fast VOD's upload and the stream quality made DH a better experience for me.
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Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
June 21 2011 16:44 GMT
#159
I prefer the DH in total, the only thing for me missing would have been some interviews on the "main stage" aka tent.
Galetmonster
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden151 Posts
June 21 2011 16:52 GMT
#160
On June 21 2011 20:30 Grimskov wrote:
I don't understand why in DH they used that awesome Main Stage only for the finals

Day[9]TV tent was cool, but not even close to what we experienced while watching MLG.


EDIT: Tastosis was a huge + as well.


Because there are more than just sc2 at dreamhack that needs the arena

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Mairou
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland144 Posts
June 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#161
Dreamhack had better players and better streams(only commercials between game series and able to choose from many different streams) Only thing that i didnt like was that they didnt show any players in stream until final game. They should show players reactions after game imo and instantly interview them.
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az1234er
Profile Joined August 2010
France35 Posts
June 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#162
Definitly MLG, too much bo3 in the DH and final on monday instead of sunday.
Better commentator at the mlg too, day9 was less bias and less loud
MLGrben
Profile Joined August 2010
United States129 Posts
June 21 2011 17:00 GMT
#163
Dreamhack was sick, I watched a ton. Wish I could see our events from a spectator point of view instead of in the back trying to make sure it all works with the rest of the crew.

Hopefully both MLG and Dreamhack continue to improve at a rate that is nuts.

PS. I want to plug MLG into Dreamhack winter if they will have us.
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MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
June 21 2011 17:05 GMT
#164
MLG because of Tastosis... cant compete with that.
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Tuk
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom223 Posts
June 21 2011 17:12 GMT
#165
Probably Dreamhack because personally the stream times were more convient. However the main thing for me was that the coverage was wider with the multiple streams.

Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
June 21 2011 17:16 GMT
#166
Dreamhack was awesome! I hope I can attend the next one
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Galetmonster
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden151 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 17:24:46
June 21 2011 17:23 GMT
#167
On June 22 2011 01:54 Mairou wrote:
Dreamhack had better players and better streams(only commercials between game series and able to choose from many different streams) Only thing that i didnt like was that they didnt show any players in stream until final game. They should show players reactions after game imo and instantly interview them.


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CheM
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada100 Posts
June 21 2011 17:29 GMT
#168
Dreamhack. I liked how the streams were coordinated very well and there was a schedule you could follow really easily to know what games were happening on each stream at what time. I felt like the MLG streams lacked this to a certain extent, lots of times the streams would just be showing the same game. Not complaining though, both were really good just thought dreamhack was a bit better.
bode927
Profile Joined April 2011
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 17:55:04
June 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#169
I wish dreamhack had more interviews and shots with the crowd during the middle of it. They did a lot more near the finals, but MLG definitely had an edge when it came to removing me from my room and putting me at the event. Also, it should be said that MLG had Day9 and wheat + Tastosis. As far as dreamhack goes, their casters beyond Day9 and DApollo werent bad, but not at tastosis level.

I liked Dreamhack's schedule set-up a bit more, because you knew exactly which matches would be on at which times, where as MLG was more sporadic and harder to keep up with. I also like MLG's open bracket as an added stipulation to throw a little bit of twist into who goes into the final brackets. It's a bit more exciting than Dreamhack's group play, although both are decent

Also Dreamhack's VODs were more accessible than MLG's were via Day9's Blip account.

All that said, both were super great, and i watched both as much as I could.

If we formed a hybrid lan with great shots of the crowd and the atmosphere at the event, plus day9, wheat, and tastosis casting, plus a schedule which was tightly organized, posted, and adhered to, as well as a mixed in open bracket, you'd have a very good event to spectate online.

Dreamhack did the best job with this so far, but I would be super happy to see some side streams set up so that every big game was broadcasted... Like at MLG, every championship bracket game... It would be cool if they had them set up to be observed, even from 1 players POV with some backround music or something.
riderLyrae
Profile Joined May 2011
United States45 Posts
June 21 2011 17:57 GMT
#170
Dreamhack was bigger and better and more easily navigable for what I wanted to see, however I much preferred the commentary at MLG Columbus. Such great casting duos with Tastosis and DjWheat/Day9. The crowds seemed similar and it just looked like a lot of fun. Overall, I voted they were equal because it seemed to be a wash. I wouldn't be surprised if MLG Anaheim is even better.
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iMalware
Profile Joined March 2011
United States32 Posts
June 21 2011 17:59 GMT
#171
As the first post said, DreamHack cuz HuK won <3.
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Drew34000
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
June 21 2011 18:07 GMT
#172
Dreamhack because the MLG prize pool is not big enough
Pezo
Profile Joined August 2010
England156 Posts
June 21 2011 18:40 GMT
#173
I loved MLG but Dreamhack was better for me as there were more streams with better quality and great games

Plus i was able to watch other games such as Quake Live TDM etc
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 18:49:04
June 21 2011 18:42 GMT
#174
Dreamhack gets my vote. The extremely high quality that was given for free was just insane. MLG Cbus HD stream was OK when they showed the commentators. Unfortunately the ingame stream quality was no were near up to standard. Anyone who tried watching the matches on a 40 inch screen or bigger will know what I'm talking about. It was impossible to see what the current supply was during the games etc.

My only complaint for Dreamhack was that only the finals were broadcast in the Dreamarena Extreme. Obviously it would have been better to have the playoffs in the main arena instead of the player area.

For the people complaining about lag or constant buffering all I can say is that it wasn't Dreamhacks fault. Justin.TV is to blame for that (the day 2 Europe blackout for example).

My favourite part of Dreamhack summer was MC co-casting twice with Totalbiscuit!
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
June 21 2011 18:48 GMT
#175
Wow unexpected results. MLG was by far the more exciting tournament. I guess people are just very happy that Huk won?
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mister.bubbles
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada171 Posts
June 21 2011 18:54 GMT
#176
dreamhack because the Vods were so easy to get at. I didn't even know there were VODs for MLG.
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Waterhaak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands525 Posts
June 21 2011 19:02 GMT
#177
MLG had tastosis so had to vote for MLG, Dreamhack was amazing aswell tho.
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labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
June 21 2011 19:21 GMT
#178
Dreamhack because of:

- Better playerpool

- Better format

- Muuuch better streaming quality + More streams, no games were missed.

- FREE!!!! (Yes Columbus was free but that was just because of the major fuck-up called MLG Dallas)

- Better non-starcraft tournaments.

Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
June 21 2011 19:33 GMT
#179
I think Dreamhack had better presentation and production while MLG had slightly better games. (both were great).
sefio
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
June 21 2011 19:48 GMT
#180
On June 22 2011 04:21 labbe wrote:
Dreamhack because of:

- Better playerpool

- Better format

- Muuuch better streaming quality + More streams, no games were missed.

- FREE!!!! (Yes Columbus was free but that was just because of the major fuck-up called MLG Dallas)

- Better non-starcraft tournaments.



Thanks, now I don't have to think what I should write. I would say the first three things made Dreamhack much better. And less downtime. MLG was good too though.
sefio
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
June 21 2011 19:51 GMT
#181
On June 22 2011 02:05 MrKn4rz wrote:
MLG because of Tastosis... cant compete with that.


Dude.. MC & TB > Tastosis any day :D
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
June 21 2011 19:59 GMT
#182
I preferred MLG mainly because I was awake for most of it. I do love Dreamhack's VOD policy, though.
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Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
June 21 2011 20:06 GMT
#183
both were great imo, i cant really compare them as i was watching mlg from stream and dreamhack live so its 2 different experiences really. I heard that there werent much interraction between stream viewers and players though, but didnt really suffer from it as i was there live and could see them myself.
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LittleJohn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden204 Posts
June 21 2011 20:10 GMT
#184
Both were pretty good, MLG stream quality was rather, well, bad. But on the other hand MLG had Tastosis and didn't finish on a monday, I also prefer the system at Dreamhack (from a spectator). All in all they were pretty equal but I voted on Dreamhack anyway.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 20:13:57
June 21 2011 20:13 GMT
#185
On June 22 2011 04:59 Node wrote:
I preferred MLG mainly because I was awake for most of it. I do love Dreamhack's VOD policy, though.

I had exactly the opposite but the VOD policy of Dreamhack was really awesome and since it whent on on Monday I was very pleased

Plus, of course Huk won although that White Ra and Hasu whent out with really horrible performances sucked especially since WR totally smashed his group and then seemed to totally tilt. Not saying they would have won but the way they lost was disapointing.
celox
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1 Post
June 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#186
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.


My thoughts exactly
Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
June 21 2011 20:35 GMT
#187
Voted MLG, as the atmosphere was just better imo. I also have a problem with dApollos voice so that was quite a turn off for me. Both tournaments were great tho.
Frajs
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 20:58:35
June 21 2011 20:51 GMT
#188
Since MLG (correct me if I'm wrong here, before Dallas I didn't know what MLG was) is kind of a giant E-Sports festival show kind of thing, and Dreamhack is a giant LAN with a side dish of E-Sports I've gotta go with MLG from a spectator viewpoint. The roaring crowd and shots of the audience and the roaring crowd and the ROARING FREAKIN CROWD made for an excellent feeling of... well it was awesome. Bah, words are hard... feelings, excitement and whatnot.
Dreamhack is awesome at what it is supposed to do, and so is MLG. I don't really think you can compare it until Dreamhack makes the same efforts to incorporate a giant crowd, and not just for the final mind you.
I also really like the loser brackets.
I was very pleased with the GLHF coverage of the BYOC at Dreamhack, even though mr. Awesome-voice-for-nighttime-radio was missing (TheGunRun, right?), I found myself watching other streams muted while listening to GLHF more than once. Also I'm glad that it got delayed so I had something to watch later at night
But as usual I wander off the point (there's a better expression here, right?) and that's enough before I make a wall of text

Edit: I never feel like I can express what I mean, so whatever: They're great at different things and for different reasons.
(Also I love djWHEAT's annoying and equally pleasing nasal voice. And he's awesome.)
Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
June 21 2011 21:01 GMT
#189
On June 22 2011 05:13 luckybeni2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 04:59 Node wrote:
I preferred MLG mainly because I was awake for most of it. I do love Dreamhack's VOD policy, though.

I had exactly the opposite but the VOD policy of Dreamhack was really awesome and since it whent on on Monday I was very pleased

Plus, of course Huk won although that White Ra and Hasu whent out with really horrible performances sucked especially since WR totally smashed his group and then seemed to totally tilt. Not saying they would have won but the way they lost was disapointing.



Losing to Moon whom also pushed Naniwa out of the tournament to later lose a tight final, I wouldn't really put much emphasis on it. Although I'd would have liked to see more "SPECIAL TAKTIKKS" from grandpa toss.

Topic;

For me atleast, Dreamhack was the more enjoyable event.

* Better quality streams (for free).
* Better coverages, ALL games where broadcasted.
* Barely noteable delays, because of GoOdy and Xlord
* Better tournament format except for BO3 semis. BO5 final could be argued.
* Insanely fast VODs.
* Better tournaments for other games to kill the downtime (if the VODs of games you missed weren't enough)
* Moon and HuK flippin' a huge middle finger at all the haters.
* IdrA losing to MC, again.
* McBiscuit/TotalMC casting.
DrunknMaster
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9 Posts
June 21 2011 21:18 GMT
#190
I saw the finals Huk vs Moon first time i saw a real pro match live Gratz! Huk!
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 21 2011 21:37 GMT
#191
On June 21 2011 19:52 bokeevboke wrote:
Both > GSL for sure.


If you prefer watching chobos instead of the best players in the world. Mlg for me.
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JouriCarver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom59 Posts
June 21 2011 21:38 GMT
#192
dream hack due to no lagg, 3 days of epic games and huk won P
j4ckd4v13z
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom98 Posts
June 21 2011 21:44 GMT
#193
columbus for having the booths with players faces. really added to the experience
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
June 21 2011 21:51 GMT
#194
Both have their own strengths: I really like the relatively less laggy dreamhack and the free HD streams, but I absolutely hate the scheduling of dream hack: not only does it start @ 4am eastern, too many matches were played at once with a large time gap. It would be nice if DH staggered their matches so there will always be something going on.
Gurgl
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 00:05:10
June 21 2011 21:59 GMT
#195
Dreamhack summer and winter are primarily LAN-events while MLG is focused on the gametournaments. That´s the reason why all the games on DH weren´t played infront of a big crowd, only the finals. The concept for all tournaments on DH has always been that every game up until the finals is played at the actual LAN. I´d love to see them do something similar to Stockholm invitational but on a larger scale and maybe with more games.

I haven´t had any streamissues at any of the dreamhackevents and the quality is better than MLGs HD while being free. Last MLG was good from a viewer perspective and I hope they keep improving but they have some way to go to reach DH in terms of quality of the streams. From a player perspective MLG seem to treat their players in the open bracket pretty badly(Thorzain and Morrow don´t want to go to Anaheim because of that f.ex). The format of MLG is messed up to be honest, I hope they take a look at that and make the necessary changes.

It´s really annoying on the MLG stream that you get a commercial whenever you change quality or have to refresh it. I'm willing to pay for a stream without commercials that works as well as the DH stream but not for one with the ridiculous amount of commercials you get with the MLG stream.

Dreamhack could improve their streaming website so it´s easier to see which games are being streamed where. It would be awesome to be able to see next to each stream which game is being casted atm. MLGs website is really difficult to navigate, I´ve given up on trying to find stuff on their site, it´s faster to just google for MLG schedules or whatever I´m looking for.

I voted that both events were equally awesome, there are still things to improve but ESPORTS looks very promising with events like this.

Well that turned out to be a wall of text, hopefully someone with influence reads it and improves something :p
/end rant
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
June 21 2011 22:05 GMT
#196
MLG because the crowd was with the players, added so much more drama and awesomeness

also tastosis
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tonning
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway111 Posts
June 21 2011 22:42 GMT
#197
Dreamhack, better streams(quality, don't have to pay to watch HD), I could also watch all the games without having to stay up till 6 am in the morning.
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FragRaptor
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
June 21 2011 23:15 GMT
#198
I really think both were awesome. Why?

MLG Columbus really laid an egg of story telling that really affected the wants of the crowd at dream hack. The koreans took Columbus and so everyone was extremely excited that huk won.

The buzz of both tournaments really worked well in cohesion, thanks to none other than our favorite story teller, Day9!
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Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
June 21 2011 23:19 GMT
#199
reason dreamhack was winning is because huk won. MLG was so much better to me
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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 21 2011 23:37 GMT
#200
MLG because of double elimination =/

Dreamhack had to much money to throw into single BO3s....
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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
June 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#201
As a Terran player I lost all interest in DreamHack by the time the groups were over. All my favorite players had been defeated by then other then PredY who lost in the first round. Terrans didn't have that good of a showing, and even though that's not the fault of DreamHack at all, Columbus was more entertaining because I was cheering for MMA from the beginning to the end. Both were great tournaments though!
meams
Profile Joined May 2009
United States41 Posts
June 22 2011 00:14 GMT
#202
The advantage MLG holds over Dreamhack is the dual-stream format for the majority of the games. The ability for me to turn of a TvT and instead watch a different matchup is a great benefit. The Red Stream/Blue STream was brilliant, especially since they had all my favorite casters running the various streams.]

Dreamhack should have allowed for the players to engage the crowd directly, as was done in MLG columbus. Watching MC react to all his American Fans was a great treat. Same goes for July and all the other Korean pros that probably didn't realize they had such gigantic followings here in the US. The GOM studio doesn't really have that many people packed in every day -- so seeing these mega-crowds for group stage games is probably pretty chill for them.


I watched both tourneys. I would've watched 'em both regardless of relative quality. But i must say, objectively, that MLG Columbus took the win. Although Dreamhack is a much cooler name and scores bonuspoints fo having Day9 run it and post everything on his stream/site. It was better organized than MLG's Vods and shit like that. Day9's crew FTW.
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applejuice
Profile Joined October 2010
307 Posts
June 22 2011 00:41 GMT
#203
Only reason MLG is not winning is because MLG is not deemed to be "nerd cool", while Dreamhack is. Way to go, e-sports community.
MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
June 22 2011 01:00 GMT
#204
I gotta agree with FlopTurnReaver on the first page, 100%. MLG had a smaller prize pool but double the intensity and entertainment.
Doubt is the venom that has paralyzed humanity.
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
June 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#205
Both were good, but Dreamhack's stream quality was amazing
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
AcideL
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
June 22 2011 01:15 GMT
#206
My girlfriend rolled her eyes at me when I told her to watch the HuK vs. Moon final series with me. She got so hyper when Day[9] got excited in game 5. Even she was screaming, and I don't even think she has any idea what was going on lol
When it Reigns, it scores.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
June 22 2011 01:55 GMT
#207
MLG was a lot more exciting for me.

Separating the "main stage/tent" from the players made the crowd incomparable to the one at MLG. That energy really comes through in matches and I missed it very much.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
June 22 2011 02:58 GMT
#208
MLG somehow seemed more exciting. Maybe it was because Koreans visiting was a bit more exciting the first time around (I'm aware Koreans had been to previous DH's, but before it was MC alone as far as the "big guns." It could be MC's antics, the opening series being extremely exciting, Tastosis, or nationalist pride. Also, in spite of the very talented player pool at DH, MLG had a much larger one and all of the excitement of the open bracket (for better or worse). Yeah, the state presence and interviews definitely helped make MLG more exciting, as well as the giant complex feeling rather than Bilbo's party tent (j/k, the main venue looked quite appropriate at least).

Things DH had that were better:

5 streams
not total Korean dominance + Show Spoiler +
(thx HuK <3)

MC + TB casting HuK vs Tarson


Oh and MLG seemed to have had more drama.
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 04:36:56
June 22 2011 04:35 GMT
#209
Dreamhack was a bit better in that i got to see all the games i wanted to.

Also dreamhack seems like a more badass tounaments name than MLG.
EnWara
Profile Joined May 2011
United States55 Posts
June 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#210
They were both so awesome that I had to choose both. MLG had the excitement of the koreans being at a foreigner LAN event for the first time, and Dreamhack had the excitement of HUK not letting the Koreans just knock everyone else out. Dreamhack had more streams without the commercials all of the time, but MLG had Tastosis.

You can't go wrong with either tournament.
Coffins
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada85 Posts
June 22 2011 05:02 GMT
#211
On June 22 2011 10:55 Bear4188 wrote:
MLG was a lot more exciting for me.

Separating the "main stage/tent" from the players made the crowd incomparable to the one at MLG. That energy really comes through in matches and I missed it very much.


Yeah same here, the crowd gave me more nerdchills than half the games did :x
Satyric
Profile Joined June 2011
68 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 07:04:23
June 22 2011 07:01 GMT
#212
Voted DH because I didn't have problems with the streams and you didn't have to pay for HQ streams, it's all free and it's in my time zone.
Although I'm kind of sad that only the finals were played on stage, this probably wont be an issue at DHW11, seeing as SC2 has the highest community support out of all other games being played (on site, LoL was bigger online).

But yeah, it's difficult to compare seeing as MLG and Dreamhack are very different. DH is so much more than just the tournaments.

Edit: No thunderstorm would ever interfere with the swedish internets :-)
TMmingus
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden13 Posts
June 22 2011 07:05 GMT
#213
Dreamhack summer is nothing compared to dreamhack winter. But I still loved dreamhack summer, coz of day9 and apollo.
En negativ man är ingen man
kovac
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden123 Posts
June 22 2011 07:13 GMT
#214
It will be interesting to hear what the players thought about it. Because they seem rather unhappy about MLG and in the end it actually is a competition. And giving the players a good environment to perform at there max is really important.
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 07:16:47
June 22 2011 07:14 GMT
#215
I'm sorry, but people are voting because of the foreigner winning in DH. You have to evaluate the Tournament separately from the results. This includes both the production value and the setup of the tournament. I love the Losers bracket play myself, and think it will far more consistently allow the better players to emerge at the top. (Less flukey than single elimination bracket play)

MLG Dallas was much more enjoyable to watch, at least in the down time we could see the crowd. While still insulated, the crowd was much closer and much more apparent in the MLG tournament. You could here them better and saw them much more often. It gave the games more significance.

The production was better, the stage was better, the lighting, I wasn't at either- but from the stream, IMO, it wasn't even a close call.
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gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
June 22 2011 07:18 GMT
#216
DH only won due to being the most recent event imho.
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AfterEleven
Profile Joined May 2011
151 Posts
June 22 2011 07:40 GMT
#217
Don't understand how Dreamhack is beating MLG, but whatever...
Satyric
Profile Joined June 2011
68 Posts
June 22 2011 07:44 GMT
#218
On June 21 2011 16:47 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 16:41 Chenz wrote:
On June 21 2011 15:44 zaii wrote:
On June 21 2011 15:30 starclaws wrote:
According to the vote... everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit. Dreamhack is the biggest in the world. MLG is a joke of a tour around the US and they can't figure out small issues like audio and such.


"everyone is blinded by MLG tour bullshit" ? explain.

Dreamhack bigger then MLG is questionable.

Not really, DH is way larger event than MLG. It isn't even close. If you ignore everything but the Starcraft 2 parts of MLG and DH, then yes, MLG isn't that far behind but overall, DH is huge.


How many events does DH host a year compared to MLG? and totaly prize money?

And there's still the fact that MLG is a league and DH is just one or two huge LANS.

See that's why I said questionable.


Don't know if this is responded to already, but DH has 5 SC2 events planned this year with a total of 810k SEK (roughly 127k USD) in prizes. So looking at facts MLG has like ~200k USD in prizes this year, with 6 events.

But then again, over 17000 people attended at last DHW.

Just looking at SC2, MLG is bigger when it comes to prizes and events, but looking at esports, I think they're pretty even.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
June 22 2011 08:03 GMT
#219
Dreamhack no doubt, but sadly a lot of people are voting without actually watching both events.
I'll call Nada.
zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
June 22 2011 08:23 GMT
#220
How can Dreamhack beat MLG ;/ ?

MLG = Tastosis, MC and his ceremony, cameras in booths ( not only finals ), more games ( winner / losers brackets ), CROWD, Crowd + players in 1 place, at start we could see interviews with players - JP.

Yeah, maybe Dreamhack had more streams etc, but overall imo MLG >>> Dreamhack
I'm getting the derection.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
June 22 2011 09:19 GMT
#221
Dreamhack had SUPERB streams, in every way. So fun to have different streams to watch your favourite player.

I actually switched to the SVT stream, listening to swedish commentators, and they also had some interviews at the end, and was closer to the crowd. I found this stream to be much more professional then the Day9 stream.

Sweden IS the internet. Truly amazing swedish stream. I think in time, TL need to learn swedish over korean ^^
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
June 22 2011 09:35 GMT
#222
Dreamhack was absolutely great, superb games, Day9 was totally awesome at the end, lots of different commentators during group stage, everyone could watch the games he was interested in live. The only negative thing I noticed were the stream lags sometimes, as well as the final day on Monday, but still these weren't all too bad.
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anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
June 22 2011 09:49 GMT
#223
On June 22 2011 09:14 meams wrote:
The advantage MLG holds over Dreamhack is the dual-stream format for the majority of the games. The ability for me to turn of a TvT and instead watch a different matchup is a great benefit. The Red Stream/Blue STream was brilliant, especially since they had all my favorite casters running the various streams.]


bro, you do know there were 5 english streams at DH showing all the games on a set schedule, while MLG had 2 streams which showed a pathetic amount of games and most of the time they were during break or showed the same game on both streams
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Raol
Profile Joined July 2009
Romania56 Posts
June 22 2011 09:49 GMT
#224
Dreamhack because of the streams and the very nice organized schedule.
Debarbie
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden204 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 10:16:59
June 22 2011 10:16 GMT
#225
I dont think you can compare these two events. mlg is pure tournament and all the focus on that.
Dreamhack is a big lan that has it tournament, Dreamhack focus is not on the tournament, its just a BIG +
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4741 Posts
June 22 2011 10:20 GMT
#226
Both were amazing. But dreamhack had amazing production value, from the 5 or so series I saw It think given MLG's improvements, they were both equal. dreamhack seemed to have more "excitement".
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Uhaeiub
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany8 Posts
June 22 2011 11:02 GMT
#227
Dreamhack cause stream worked all day long and you were able to see every game u wanted to.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
June 22 2011 11:54 GMT
#228
I don't have anything against MLG, but i just preferred the streams and the schedules at DH.
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InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 12:25:11
June 22 2011 12:24 GMT
#229
--- Nuked ---
NicoLoco
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway159 Posts
June 22 2011 12:32 GMT
#230
MLG for the crowd and atmosphere!
If I gave a shit you'd be the first to get it!
noezke
Profile Joined September 2010
England514 Posts
June 22 2011 12:59 GMT
#231
Dreamhack all the way, free HQ streams. Better schedule and a much better variety of games broadcast at once. Better in every way.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
June 22 2011 13:22 GMT
#232
They really needed more games to be played on stage at Dreamhack.

Also, I felt that the quality of the games during the group stage was not high enough because players had to play all five matches in a roll. Some mixing would have helped a lot, I think.

I missed Tastosis :/ and for some reason did not enjoy Day9's casting this time.. Perhaps he was too tired.

Still, voted for Dreamhack.
Ravar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States447 Posts
June 22 2011 14:01 GMT
#233
The crowd and main stage alone made MLG so much better to watch than Dreamack for me. MLG also had a lot more drama than Dreamhack and better matches overall. Only bad thing about MLG is extended series imo.
Yeah bitch, magnets
Todes
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark29 Posts
June 22 2011 14:03 GMT
#234
imo DH had the more entertaining games and a better schedule (for me, since i'm from europe), also i found the DH streams alot more stable and higher quality.

MLG was good, real good! though i must admit i enjoyed DH more..

so.. my vote went to DH.
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Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
June 22 2011 14:32 GMT
#235
I loved the commentators at Dreamhack, great games and specially the quality of the streams were amazing. Interviews etc made me choose dreamhack, so fun to watch!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17971 Posts
June 22 2011 15:33 GMT
#236
I voted both, because they each have stuff to learn from eachother. MLG: extended series is silly and especially for a final having a Bo3 (maybe extended) is insufficient. Streams were not without lag. Dreamhack: ending on a monday is bad. If you can't do it in 3 days, make the group games on a week day, not the finals. Also audience-player interaction was slightly lacking (or just not shown?).

However, both events were absolutely top notch in terms of game quality, caster quality and sheer awesomeness. Looking forward to the next LAN!
Hypoxia
Profile Joined May 2011
United States31 Posts
June 22 2011 15:42 GMT
#237
Voted MLG based on fan reactions (as I could gather from streams).
Americans screaming > Europeans clapping.
sefio
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
June 22 2011 16:03 GMT
#238
On June 23 2011 00:42 Hypoxia wrote:
Voted MLG based on fan reactions (as I could gather from streams).
Americans screaming > Europeans clapping.


Well that's shocking looking at your location :D
Centorian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States95 Posts
June 22 2011 16:24 GMT
#239
How is Dreamhack beating MLG? Don't get me wrong, Dreamhack was great, but MLG was better in every aspect except stream quality. If MLG continues to improve at the rate they are improving it will become THE foreign tournament.

I think people are still riding off the excitement of the Huk win (which was awesome btw).
Insert witty statement here.
em0rej007
Profile Joined May 2011
France36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 16:50:29
June 22 2011 16:47 GMT
#240
dreamhack for a higher level of player, quality stream but mlg for the interaction with the crowd and the live interview
KangaRuthless
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States304 Posts
June 22 2011 16:57 GMT
#241
DH had an epic conclusion. It was more satisfying to watch HuK play as well as he did than to watch MMA dominate MLG.
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Zevah
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Argentina187 Posts
June 22 2011 17:12 GMT
#242
Dreamhack finishin on monday was a big downside. and we didn't saw the players until the finals...

mlg just seemed better for me
elsrickle
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada53 Posts
June 22 2011 17:51 GMT
#243
The Dreamhack stream quality & stability was so top notch along with some of the best games I've seen so have to go with DH. MLG was quite good but just not at the level that DH was.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
June 22 2011 17:55 GMT
#244
MLG cuz the overall feeling was more epic. (the crowd won that poll )
keep it deep! @zulison
Jandos
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Czech Republic928 Posts
June 22 2011 19:13 GMT
#245
Dreamhack because I was there
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2904 Posts
June 22 2011 19:25 GMT
#246
I loved the MLG crowd and the player cams on main stage.
The only times we got to see player cams was at the finals.
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Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
June 22 2011 19:32 GMT
#247
On June 22 2011 00:34 Karakaxe wrote:
Things Dreamhack needs to fix in no particular order:

1. Player + audience interaction (you can't cast an entire event without actually showing us any players except in the finals, that's really bad)
2. Semi finals can't be bo3, should be bo5
3. Finals can't be bo5, should be bo7
4. Have a real host (aka 2GD at the invitational)
5. Needs to use Dream Arena Extreme ALOT more (it's perfect, why don't they use it more? When they cast SC2 there, there are actually more people outside who wants to get in than there are people inside watching.)

This.
BertiliO
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden134 Posts
June 22 2011 19:36 GMT
#248
On June 23 2011 01:24 Centorian wrote:
How is Dreamhack beating MLG? Don't get me wrong, Dreamhack was great, but MLG was better in every aspect except stream quality. If MLG continues to improve at the rate they are improving it will become THE foreign tournament.

I think people are still riding off the excitement of the Huk win (which was awesome btw).


I don't know why some people feel like they need to force their opinions on others. The majority of people obviously don't agree with you that mlg was better in every aspect except for stream quality, yet you speak like your representing the whole comunity.
FenneK
Profile Joined November 2010
France1231 Posts
June 22 2011 20:32 GMT
#249
I thought both were fantastic. Seeing the players on stage with interviews was great for MLG, and the multiple DH streams was cool too. The question is: will either stack to Homestory III?
good luck have batman
EtR Gravity
Profile Joined May 2011
United States37 Posts
June 22 2011 20:51 GMT
#250
On June 21 2011 06:34 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Both seemed pretty cool to me.

I feel differently. They were actually quite a few games in both tourneys that I wanted to see but weren't streamed. Both were great IMO.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 22 2011 20:59 GMT
#251
MLG was a good deal more enjoyable for me. Many more memorable games and Tastosis.
TroubL
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania126 Posts
June 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#252
Well Homestory cup incoming so lets add that to the Poll as-well :D
''Special Tactics since 1998'' - WhiteRa
Excelle
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden200 Posts
June 22 2011 21:51 GMT
#253
Dreamhack - Because I didt miss any game that. 5 streams, and evry stream had diffrent players evry hour. A big plus there..

MLG had to many ad breaks, and always the same.. there was ad breaks here to but didt fall asleep.
Starcraft2
Vectoor
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden62 Posts
June 22 2011 21:55 GMT
#254
I was there, so Dreamhack
koksnuss
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2 Posts
June 22 2011 21:58 GMT
#255
hmmm...

DAY9!
How r u doing...?
Dissonance23
Profile Joined September 2010
United States259 Posts
June 22 2011 22:22 GMT
#256
MLG, probably a biased opinion as I was there and was not at Dreamhack.
Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
June 22 2011 22:36 GMT
#257
I think MLG did a better job with the production. My only complain was the stream quality.
Dreamhack could have had better production with player interviewes. On the other hand Dreamhacks streams were much better and HD were free. So i ended up voting that they were equal.
"!@€#" - as some guy said
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
June 22 2011 22:42 GMT
#258
dreamhack was very nice altough i was dissapointed how small the tent was. it was always filled and ppl standing up. many ppl inside just trying to watch player screens when ideally they'd watch from the tent but couldnt
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
mholden02
Profile Joined October 2010
387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 23:11:54
June 22 2011 22:57 GMT
#259
Dreamhack is ahead of MLG on the technical side - All the games are streamed by many casters on 5 channels with an easily understandable schedule with few problems, excellent field - very well run.

MLG has many tech and scheduling problems to still iron out, but at the end of Dreamhack i felt pleased with a well run tournament and a satisfying winner - At the end of MLG I felt like I'd come off a 3 DAY ****ING EMOTIONAL ROLLER COASTER from all the drama, memorable moments, and amazing crowd - I was worn out from the ups and downs.

I was totally emotionally invested in MLG in a way that I was not with Dreamhack. I felt like I was at MLG, but watching Dreamhack on my computer - that sums it up.

So MLG gets the nod.

Ideally MLG will learn how to run a tournament as smoothly as Dreamhack, and Dreamhack will learn how to create the MLG atmosphere through player cams, interviews, more crowd interaction ect ...

Either way they're both great for E-Sports.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 22 2011 23:07 GMT
#260
Dreamhack felt more like an online tournament or NASL's last months of play as opposed to the epic live atmosphere of MLG.

Sure 5 streams is nice, but who's really gonna be able to watch all 5. Sometimes, I don't mind not having a choice. It's up to the content broadcaster to bring me good games, I don't mind missing less interesting games.

Overall MLG had more energetic crowd, more player/community interactions, no final on Monday, and overall more epicness. Dreamhack is only the more recent event, which is why it has decent votes.
Marines > everything
Ednar
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden6 Posts
June 22 2011 23:11 GMT
#261
MLG was great, but I think that DreamHack has the advantage with the 5 streams and good schedule. Of course it would have been great to have more games on the big stage, but since dreamhack isn't focused on SC2, the stage was often busy.

Also, for those who attended the event, it was great to be able to walk between the Day9 tent and TotalBuscuit stage with no hassle. This could not have been done with the big stage. It was also possible for us to easily be able to talk to the players, or watch them play, at any given time.

All in all, Dreamhack is a lan, and great as such. It also happens to host a really good SC2 tournament just because they can. Obviously the admins want it to be as good as possible, and I think that they did a great job with the limited recourses they had.

Both are excellent events.
CosmicHippo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States547 Posts
June 22 2011 23:46 GMT
#262
MLG was a better event, but Dreamhack was badass too because a forienger finaly took down the koreans
Yeah i've got your zerg riiiight here! *gulps beer*
Jackhammer19
Profile Joined June 2011
United States18 Posts
June 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#263
Both were really good, but I think I watched more games from Dreamhack that I could study that actually help me out in my gameplay.
To fight or not to fight... Why ask such a stupid question!?
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
June 23 2011 03:07 GMT
#264
MLG because of the atmosphere. Any competition where the audience is more involved gives a better enjoyment in watching.

Both provided some epic games though.
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
Tali
Profile Joined July 2010
United States41 Posts
June 23 2011 04:48 GMT
#265
Day9 uploading vods super fast for those of us who couldn't make Monday finals or Euro time was AMAZING. Mad <3's to Day9 for that awesomness.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
June 23 2011 06:02 GMT
#266
Being from NA, MLG because I was actually able to stick around for the entire event since it was at our time zone. However, everything about it was also great such as Tastosis + Day9/DJ Wheat/JP and the great storylines that emerged.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
NicoLoco
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway159 Posts
June 23 2011 06:12 GMT
#267
On June 23 2011 01:24 Centorian wrote:
How is Dreamhack beating MLG? Don't get me wrong, Dreamhack was great, but MLG was better in every aspect except stream quality. If MLG continues to improve at the rate they are improving it will become THE foreign tournament.

I think people are still riding off the excitement of the Huk win (which was awesome btw).


I don't think that is a fair statement. There where no lag-screens in DH, the quality of players was much higher (by quite some margine), the event itself is just huuuuge and there where little to no hiccups.

That being said, I voted for MLG just for crowd reactions. I agree with the guy 3 posts before me who states that crowd at DH where just clapping while the Americans at MLG where off the hook roaring!

If I gave a shit you'd be the first to get it!
Nevarix
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden294 Posts
June 23 2011 08:25 GMT
#268
Better games and stream at DH, better crowd/player interaction at MLG.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
June 23 2011 08:45 GMT
#269
On June 23 2011 05:51 EtR Gravity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 06:34 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Both seemed pretty cool to me.

I feel differently. They were actually quite a few games in both tourneys that I wanted to see but weren't streamed. Both were great IMO.


What? There were 5 english streams and 4 in other languages.
I'll call Nada.
T-oastbro-T
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 10:50:52
June 23 2011 10:12 GMT
#270
I really liked the "stadium-atmosphere" of MLG and the energy of the audience.

On the other hand, the DH-streams were much better in my opinion.
Firstly, there was never dead air while matches were being played somewhere else, due to the number of streams.
Secondly, the quality of the streams itself was far ahead of MLG's, who seem to have used some kind of softening-filter on the picture to make it look smoother. This may have covered the fact, that the streams weren't broadcasted even close to HD (even with the HQ-option), but in return blurred everything beyond recognition, especially the supply-count in the upper-right corner.

In the end, I enjoyed both events very much. There were plenty of awesome matches and the production was very professional, especially the casting. Will watch MLG Anaheim as well as the next Dreamhack. =)

EDIT: The updates of the standings and match-results were better at MLG. The binarybeast-site Dreamhack used was obviously not prepared for the load of that many visitors and thus crashed regularly.
qqK
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany282 Posts
June 23 2011 10:33 GMT
#271
Dreamhack, because it had a german stream.
CAPSLOCKED
Profile Joined April 2011
563 Posts
June 23 2011 10:49 GMT
#272
Tastosis auto-vote
WwA-Ace
Profile Joined May 2011
66 Posts
June 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#273
On June 21 2011 06:49 FlopTurnReaver wrote:
Definitly MLG, just the athmosphere was so much better (sry, but games in a tent without the players in sight..) Also there were more games, more players, more drama.. just generally more excitement.

Only reason why Dreamhack is winning now imo is 1. because Huk won and 2. because it just ended a few hours ago which still makes you kinda be in that euphoria.


Dude... Let's see commercials and laggy stream + supposedly double stream where the other pair of casters is taking a break while games are going on. Quality of streams was better only I have to agree with the atmosphere which is why I voted for equally great.

One thing about dreamhack is the bo3 in quarter final and semi final which seamed like a pity to me. Group stages were better than MLG IMO.

"Many people never grow up. They stay all their lives with a passionate need for external authority and guidance, pretending not to trust their own judgment." Alan Watts
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
June 23 2011 11:45 GMT
#274
Both were fantastic and have positives and negatives...

So hard to say.
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uSiN
Profile Joined January 2009
United States208 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 11:53:04
June 23 2011 11:52 GMT
#275
MLG only because I attended MLG. Both were freeking awesome.
.-.
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#276
really hard to say, i loved the red and blue stream idea since it works so well with warpprism. Other than that i really loved both events even though i voted dreamhack. Maybe its just because it wasnt so long ago, so i still feel the awesomeness :D
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Vinx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada259 Posts
June 23 2011 12:21 GMT
#277
hard questions, dreamhack was fun cause of huk but MLG overall was much better and looked amazing, the whole tent thing just make me feel like it wasn't close to MLG
Starcraft 2 > RL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wouterdl
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium33 Posts
June 23 2011 12:46 GMT
#278
dreamhack cuz there was no djwheat in dreamhack
sup
Nego
Profile Joined June 2011
United States15 Posts
June 23 2011 13:40 GMT
#279
mlg was better to me
"If I Fall 6 Times I Will Get Up 7"
Eckman
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany5 Posts
June 23 2011 13:46 GMT
#280
Dreamhack ftw
JonB
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden325 Posts
June 23 2011 14:18 GMT
#281
Dreamhack cuz im swedish
hacker and programmer - the2me4u on skype
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
June 23 2011 14:28 GMT
#282
MLG all the way, not even close.
Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
June 23 2011 14:57 GMT
#283
Homestory cup owns them both, it seems so chill and laid back, no stress at all
bUubzila
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland12 Posts
June 23 2011 16:00 GMT
#284
both good :D
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
czar
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3 Posts
June 23 2011 17:11 GMT
#285
Plus one for MLG, Enjoyed seeing more players and bigger crowds.
Question Everything.
Zketch
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden34 Posts
June 23 2011 18:41 GMT
#286
Dreamhack because nearly all the games/series were epic!
NemesysTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1088 Posts
June 23 2011 18:43 GMT
#287
On June 21 2011 06:33 Garth wrote:
Dreamhack cuz huk won.


Same and epic ceremony :O
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
June 23 2011 18:50 GMT
#288
would have to say MLG. Both were great but i though MLG did it right. They had more shots of the crowd/player cams and reactions..as well as nice interviews after the match.
iMudkipz
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden17 Posts
June 23 2011 20:06 GMT
#289
I'm from sweden so have to represent dreamhack, but i also think dreamhack's was much easier to watch since there was pretty much always games to watch when i wanted to watch some kick ass sc2 action
I liekz mudkipz
Project Psycho
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom329 Posts
June 23 2011 20:10 GMT
#290
Both were awesome, but Huk's win with out a doubt made DH a lot more fun to watch for me.
Tom_Morrow
Profile Joined May 2011
14 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 21:23:09
June 23 2011 21:22 GMT
#291
Dream hack, because a foreigner won it.
QuoC
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States724 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 22:07:37
June 23 2011 22:07 GMT
#292
dreamhack just because it sounds sooooooooo much cooler

dream? MyStErIoUs! check.
hack? LEET! check.

yep, dreamhack cause of the name.
Dario "TLO" Wünsch -- Favorite SC2 Player
holycrapitsTony
Profile Joined October 2010
United States330 Posts
June 23 2011 22:17 GMT
#293
This Dreamhack was a lot less entertaining for me. I actually attended MLG Columbus, so it definitely takes the cake.
NYE: when the match loading screen comes up "zvz" it's like finding out you have hiv
Me1234
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany219 Posts
June 23 2011 22:17 GMT
#294
I liked both events

dreamhack a bit more because I got to watch different stuff, not just SC2.

I know MLG has other stuff too but I dont care about Halo or COD
Uhm?
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
June 23 2011 23:28 GMT
#295
I cant believe dreamhack is winning there was so much more memorable stuff at MLG especially all the drama and stories...
WhiteraCares
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden339 Posts
June 23 2011 23:46 GMT
#296
Dreamhack Invitational > MLG > Dreamhack Summer/Winter

Professionalism and great production value makes me hot.
neooffs
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Brazil34 Posts
June 23 2011 23:49 GMT
#297
This is totally US vs EU
kalteras
Profile Joined March 2011
United States72 Posts
June 24 2011 00:57 GMT
#298
MLG had the best final series I've ever seen, but their constant technical difficulties made it hard to fully enjoy
Look at the damn minimap - Day[9]
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
June 24 2011 01:53 GMT
#299
Dreamhacks games were better (bar the finals, build order loss anyone?) but MLG was a much better event in terms of production quality and organisation so going with MLG, plus its once a month!
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
June 24 2011 06:24 GMT
#300
What kind of poll is this?..
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Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
June 24 2011 09:33 GMT
#301
I voted for DH.

Reasons:
1. As people noticed both MLG and DH run at times that were bad for the other continent. So MLG cannot get my vote in that matter. Ok this point shouldnt be considered so no points given ;P
2. Vods. Missed almost all the games on monday and could watch them easy with vods later. Than we have MLG... Didnt see the finals of MMA vs Losira and when i tried to find the vod i only could find their previous match... Plus for DH
3. Interaction with the on site viewers. Well MLG has a slight advantage over DH Summer 2011 but..
Lets look at it from the other perspective. Due to the closeness of the people MLG coundnt cast the most anticipated matchup - the rematch of Thorzain vs MC.... So i would make it a draw with slight favoring of MLG.
4. Streaming of the matches.
Lets see. MLG - 2 streams with lots of breaks (for the celebrity casters...) sometimes even showing the same match... In all many games weren't streamed.
Now DH: 5 english streams, 1 german , 1 finish. Covering all matches and even some of the BYOC qualifiers. Perfect scheduling (well almost perfect. Who in the right mind puts Goody in a group with 2 other terrans that are known for their macro style...). All streams were true HD and free with instant vods.
And back to casters... There is no comparison TotalBiscuit & oGsMC > Tastosis.
Point for DH
5. Length of the tournament
Both run for 3 days. MLG has a slight advantage do to the fact it didnt finish on monday !!!
But on the other hand DH offered more to the players who fail their groups or BYOC#1. Both on sunday and monday there were additional BYOC tournaments (#2 and #3) that had some prices and more important the slots for the next DH.
Point for DH
6. Price pool
MLG - if you dont win it wont cover your expenses in going there...
DH - Hell im at top of western esports money ^^
sogek1ng
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway8 Posts
June 24 2011 12:35 GMT
#302
MGL for the matches, DH for the streams.
Siege is here
Zyori
Profile Joined June 2011
United States48 Posts
June 24 2011 13:46 GMT
#303
Having attended both of these events, its really hard to compare them. The actual starcraft tournament at DreamHack is relatively small compared to that of MLG. DreamHack is more about the people that come and bring their own systems to game nonstop for 3 days. MLG is much more about the players and giving the live viewers a great showing.

Both events were totally awesome, but I have to give it to MLG Columbus. The event was a lot bigger for StarCraft and the audience just wasn't the same in Sweden.
Twitter: @ZyoriStarCraft | Website: http://www.hypercrew.com
Stallion
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand67 Posts
June 24 2011 14:09 GMT
#304
i think this poll will slant towards dream hack a bit because HuK won but i think both were very good tournaments
theliman2000
Profile Joined August 2010
United States45 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 14:39:34
June 24 2011 14:39 GMT
#305
USA! USA!
DrunkenJedi
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany175 Posts
June 24 2011 14:41 GMT
#306
I loved Dreamhack but MLG Columbus wasn't that bad either. At least better than last MLG.
"Don't worry, I use Special Tactics this time, no problem."
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 14:49:23
June 24 2011 14:41 GMT
#307
On June 21 2011 06:48 VGhost wrote:
I feel like MLG had better scheduling in theory, Dreamhack streams were better. MLG player pool and finals were better, extended series and all. Monday finals brackets playoff really got me, too. Voted MLG.

I feel just the opposite. I feel like the MLG production was better than the MLG one. The dreamhack player pool was imo much stronger that of MLG on an average. That being said, the top tier didnt change too much. MLG finals was totally uninteresting for me since it didnt involve any foreigner drama. Dreamhack on the other hand was great due to HUKs astonashing play.

All in all, I think MLG has a better production/potential while Dreamhack actually had a final to keep me interested.
On June 24 2011 22:46 Zyori wrote:
Having attended both of these events, its really hard to compare them. The actual starcraft tournament at DreamHack is relatively small compared to that of MLG. DreamHack is more about the people that come and bring their own systems to game nonstop for 3 days. MLG is much more about the players and giving the live viewers a great showing.

Both events were totally awesome, but I have to give it to MLG Columbus. The event was a lot bigger for StarCraft and the audience just wasn't the same in Sweden.

Sorry if youre a player and I dont know who you are of you but I have to ask.

Are you a player or just a spectator that has attended both venues ? How come you decided to go to Sweden? I heard there were more spectators at DHS than MLG. This might be wrong tho.
4649!!
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 15:39:31
June 24 2011 15:39 GMT
#308
*Edit

wrong post >o<!!
Liquid
JtG
Profile Joined April 2011
Czech Republic3 Posts
June 24 2011 16:02 GMT
#309
Since there is no chance of me getting to any of these events in the near future, as a mere stream-watcher I have to go with Dreamhack because of better streaming quality for free - I didn't experience any lag and I've had both main stream playing all day at HD quality. Altough its lack of Tastosis concerns me. But I guess 3 main stream might be too many (because I would never give up TB ^^) or at least technically more difficult than just two.
"I work out like a motherfucker. And I watch porn to learn stuff."
Zyori
Profile Joined June 2011
United States48 Posts
June 25 2011 05:58 GMT
#310

Sorry if youre a player and I dont know who you are of you but I have to ask.

Are you a player or just a spectator that has attended both venues ? How come you decided to go to Sweden? I heard there were more spectators at DHS than MLG. This might be wrong tho


I'm not a player, I went to DreamHack has a spectator. I've done some media stuff at MLG, but I have not played in any of the tournaments. A couple of my friends are doing a semester abroad so I planned a trip to visit around DreamHack; I figured I could kill two bird with one stone.

As far as spectators, there were certainly more people at DreamHack than MLG; however, the majority of them didn't seem to care about StarCraft at all. Day9's tent was generally full but it wasn't very big, probably about 1/6 of the seating in the starcraft mainstage area at MLG. The stage that Totalbiscuit was casting on was relatively small also. Probably about 50 seats or so.

At MLG the players are instantly swarmed by fans asking for pictures and autographs after they play matches. A lot of the big players try to minimize their time on the floor so they don't get swarmed with fans. At DraemHack the players were just mingling outside the player area and it was no big thing. Occasionally someone would ask MC for a picture, but that was about it. I spoke to Ret for a while and said that he liked MLG better because it was much more exciting for the players.
Twitter: @ZyoriStarCraft | Website: http://www.hypercrew.com
senex
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden25 Posts
June 26 2011 12:23 GMT
#311
On June 22 2011 02:00 MLGrben wrote:
Dreamhack was sick, I watched a ton. Wish I could see our events from a spectator point of view instead of in the back trying to make sure it all works with the rest of the crew.

Hopefully both MLG and Dreamhack continue to improve at a rate that is nuts.

PS. I want to plug MLG into Dreamhack winter if they will have us.


DreamHack welcomes all, we be interwebz....
BossDH
mandazi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States9 Posts
July 19 2011 06:39 GMT
#312
NASL for sure.
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