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okum
France5776 Posts
On January 30 2011 00:46 Musoeun wrote: Beat Bisu but lost to ZerO; those two games are an overall net minus in my book since it's Bisu's worst matchup but TvZ is Flash's best. I don't see how beating anyone can be a minus... | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On January 30 2011 00:57 okum wrote: I don't see how beating anyone can be a minus... it's not just beating someone it's beating someone and losing to someone else | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On January 30 2011 00:53 moopie wrote: Museoun you are once again trying to gloss over fantasy's series with calm. fantasy had a very mediocre month, with no real shining games (aside from maybe the series vs stork, which i think is more about stork failing 0-6 now). Flash and Bisu to take #1 and 2. jd 3, for a relatively good month, even though he lost his force. fantasy at 4, for winning the osl (and pretty much nothing else), and stork at 5 for failing 0-3 twice. I'm not glossing over the series with Calm: I think Calm played well (mostly), fantasy played better (in his worst MU historically), and fantasy won. It looks like I value that more than you do; that's a difference of opinion, but I'm not trying to "gloss over it". I'd be okay with fantasy at 2, or even 3, because his WL results aren't stellar. I admit it. But I, personally, think the OSL win is huge. Bisu's up there, but he lost to Flash and Stork when he played them. Flash is up there, and if he'd pulled the undefeated record off for the month he'd be #1 - but there's that loss to ZerO. My opinion could change in the next day. If fantasy loses terribly to Juni (or even something less drastic), or Flash all-kills MBC, or Bisu all-kills KHAN, then that might be enough to put them over the top again. But right now, I personally think that fantasy's 3-0 OSL win puts him on top of the PR. That has to do with how I value things; you don't have to agree (of course, or where's the fun?  ) | ||
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dani_caliKorea
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On January 30 2011 01:18 Musoeun wrote: I'm not glossing over the series with Calm: I think Calm played well (mostly), fantasy played better (in his worst MU historically), and fantasy won. It looks like I value that more than you do; that's a difference of opinion, but I'm not trying to "gloss over it". I'd be okay with fantasy at 2, or even 3, because his WL results aren't stellar. I admit it. But I, personally, think the OSL win is huge. Bisu's up there, but he lost to Flash and Stork when he played them. Flash is up there, and if he'd pulled the undefeated record off for the month he'd be #1 - but there's that loss to ZerO. My opinion could change in the next day. If fantasy loses terribly to Juni (or even something less drastic), or Flash all-kills MBC, or Bisu all-kills KHAN, then that might be enough to put them over the top again. But right now, I personally think that fantasy's 3-0 OSL win puts him on top of the PR. That has to do with how I value things; you don't have to agree (of course, or where's the fun? )An undefeated month means that much to you? I'm not saying Flash should be first (he shouldn't) but I don't know how you could really fault him for dropping a game to Zero. Personally I'm not really that impressed with Fantasy, he won the OSL and he should get big credit for that but his run wasn't really spectacular. His group was eh, he then went through Hyuk, Calm, and Stork. I know it seems lame to fault someone for having a run like that and maybe its just because he hasn't impressed me in MSL/WL, but he doesn't get as much credit in my book because of it. Strangely enough I think that JD should be first this month. He's alive in MSL, with lots of JvZ coming up. His games have certainly been lackluster for JD but he's putting up results in WL and an individual league. Also you gotta take the fact that JD is currently rank 4 and fanta is not even ranked. This is due to how they did last month and right now is definitely a time where you have to appropriately weight some of last month's play as well. Right now I see it as: 1 - JD 2 - Bisu 3 - Flash 4 - Fanta 5 - Stork Stork losing the OSL has made the top of this rank real hard to make. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Fantasy passed Stork in ELO, his vP is peaking, and it's higher than Stork's vT right now. It's amazing how one series turns things around so much. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On January 29 2011 21:16 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Hardest jobs in the world: 1. Alaskan crab fishing 2. Bullfighting 3. Crocodile wrestling 4. February Power Rank author Good luck. CNBC: Stork fan after a starleague final. | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On January 30 2011 01:51 hypercube wrote: CNBC: Stork fan after a starleague final. cbnc* | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
It's going to take a lot more to knock Flash from his #1 spot than a couple freak losses to random Terrans. Let's face it, Flash's games are still jaw dropping. The very fact he can out play the very best gamers in the world and (virtually) stage a comeback no matter how far behind he is is really an incredibly feat. Flash might be running low on gas, but he still looks as mean as ever. He lost just a few games last month and he's back ripping it apart again. He's obviously the best player in the world because the only challanger was stork. Bisu can't handle stork or flash and fantasy most certainly isn't the best player, as malinor said: First, I simply dislike it when the PR turns into a place where people can just jump from "Not on the PR" to "#1" within one month. Furthermore, there is nothing that makes me believe he is the best SC:BW player in the world. We saw him at what Fantasy is best in, in preparing a Bo5. And while all of this was very impressive, Storks play was uninspired and Fantasys road to the finals lacked a bit in quality competition (group was ok, Hyuk in Ro8 is just lol, and I don't consider Calm to be THAT good right now) But an OSL winner should always be within the top#3. Fantasy will get his points in KeSPA but he's not the strongest player right now and we all know it. top four should consist of flash jaedong fantasy and bisu though but lets make this powerrank abit realistic... | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
Hydra and Zero should be playing as well for Woongjin vs. Hite | ||
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
On January 30 2011 02:20 StylishVODs wrote: from an old PR: He lost just a few games last month and he's back ripping it apart again. He's obviously the best player in the world because the only challanger was stork. Bisu can't handle stork or flash and fantasy most certainly isn't the best player, as malinor said: Fantasy will get his points in KeSPA but he's not the strongest player right now and we all know it. top four should consist of flash jaedong fantasy and bisu though but lets make this powerrank abit realistic... Bisu and Fantasy both look hotter than Flash though. Regardless of who we can, intellectually, say is the stronger player. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
This month he's as hot as ever, almost 100% wins he tears up everyone including bisu and fantasy. The only thing he could have done better this month was getting his 100% win and not lose against zero. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On January 30 2011 02:52 night terrors wrote: Bisu and Fantasy both look hotter than Flash though. Regardless of who we can, intellectually, say is the stronger player. funny only SKT fans are saying this. I can proudly say Flash is the strongest player of all time and at present time too, try to say that about Bisu or Fantasy - i know, you just can't force your lips or fingers to do that, because it isn't true. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7747 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
On January 30 2011 03:20 johanes wrote: funny only SKT fans are saying this. I can proudly say Flash is the strongest player of all time and at present time too, try to say that about Bisu or Fantasy - i know, you just can't force your lips or fingers to do that, because it isn't true. So much rage. What is the only legitimate way to post in this forum? To remove team tags and signatures that show an inclination for teams or players? Using this logic StylishVOD's posts and yours could be disregarded on the basis of being KT/Flash fans. Seems ridiculous now doesn't it. Yes, I like Bisu, it was the first protoss player I saw preforming godly in 2007 when i came into the scene. Yes, I like SKT, as well. That doesnt impair me of saying that Flash is one of the, if not the, best players of BW (this is tricky), his mechanics are solid, he has incredible game sense, near perfect execution, solid decision making, etc, etc. Does this mean it makes him the hottest player at all times? Obviously not. Stop trying to argue about two different things. Flash's title of 'best player of bw' isnt in the air (which doesnt mean it couldnt be), but his position in February's PR. PR measures hotness and this is what I argue. To StylishVOD's: Am i saying that Flash isnt hot? Please re-read my post. That is not what I said. I said that both Bisu and Fantasy look hotter than Flash. Why? Because Fantasy just won an OSL in a very strong fashion, and Bisu has plummeted through competition this month, besides Flash and Stork. Flash has plummeted through competition too, but I argue that the fashion in which he has done so isnt as hot as Bisu. Maybe it is precisely because we remember the history that precedes Flash (complete domination in 2010) that he doesnt look as hot now. Dropping two leagues and having games where his decision making wasnt as good relative to the skill ceilling we attribute to him cools down the perception i have about him. Bisu on the other hand came back from a huge slump that consisted in shitty decision making and extremely poor results. Coming from that his performance and results make him look hot as hell. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
My point is that putting fantasy, who wasn't even cbnc last month, first in this PR would be wierd, given that the rest of our top players are performing well. Bisu and flash are tearing it up in WL, but flash did defeat both fantasy and bisu and given the recent history flash has we know that those weren't fluke wins. In january, the bonjwa have won all games but one. What more can you ask of him. this talk about hotness is really confusing to me... | ||
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
1. Flash 2. Jaedong 3. Fantasy 4. Bisu 5. Zero 6. Hydra 7. Stork And the remaining ones would take too much time to think about.  Yeah okay... Flash's losses were horrible the prior month, but he was just off a dual gold season so I'd give him a bit more slack (didn't agree with last month's, just didn't feel like arguing it). You could argue I notched Stork down too much for the final's, but when you get threshed that badly and you come out as chaff, that's not exactly a good sign. | ||
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