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renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
January 30 2011 00:32 GMT
#841
On January 30 2011 09:24 okum wrote:
Violet for #1.


I actually would not mind if it makes Violet feel better. But then again, he prolly won't know about this. Actually if flamewheel trolls everyone and does this, it makes his job slightly easier. lol
Bisu is the man
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 30 2011 00:33 GMT
#842
As for being hot. Flash is currently 2300+ in all matchups, whereas no one else is above 2300 in any matchup.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
January 30 2011 01:04 GMT
#843
On January 30 2011 09:32 renzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 09:24 okum wrote:
Violet for #1.


I actually would not mind if it makes Violet feel better. But then again, he prolly won't know about this. Actually if flamewheel trolls everyone and does this, it makes his job slightly easier. lol


Indeed it would. On that note, Violet mentioned in his TL interview that he knows of this site and visits from time to time.

If the results of the remaining games in January are even more confounding, putting Violet first wouldn't be such a bad easy-way-out in my mind. After all, if Sea can make it for having a "powerful heart" too, Violet might have a shot.
I'm not as thunk as dreople pink I am.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 30 2011 01:27 GMT
#844
On January 30 2011 10:04 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
If the results of the remaining games in January are even more confounding, putting Violet first wouldn't be such a bad easy-way-out in my mind. After all, if Sea can make it for having a "powerful heart" too, Violet might have a shot.


yeah, when he starts posting on tl and playing games with tlers

:/
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 30 2011 01:29 GMT
#845
On January 30 2011 10:04 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 09:32 renzy wrote:
On January 30 2011 09:24 okum wrote:
Violet for #1.


I actually would not mind if it makes Violet feel better. But then again, he prolly won't know about this. Actually if flamewheel trolls everyone and does this, it makes his job slightly easier. lol


Indeed it would. On that note, Violet mentioned in his TL interview that he knows of this site and visits from time to time.

If the results of the remaining games in January are even more confounding, putting Violet first wouldn't be such a bad easy-way-out in my mind. After all, if Sea can make it for having a "powerful heart" too, Violet might have a shot.

Reading that PR, it's funny how some things haven't changed in 2.5 years:

On Jaedong:
There's been whispers here and there in gutters and back alleys that Jaedong isn't quite what he used to be. Well citizens, there's a reason those opinions are found in the sewers and backstreets: they're completely unfounded.


On Flash:
While he has technically been overthrown from the top spot on this ranking, he's certainly still the Flash we've grown accustomed to.


On Kal:
Kal is hangin' around. He doesn't seem to be a one-hit wonder as many (myself included) suspected he might be after he was outclassed by Jaedong an MSL past. He's still one of the better players out there, teetering on the verge of S class. There isn't a whole lot to say about Kal, and there won't be until he does something impressive or unexpected. Until then, he'll cruise the middle of the PR
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 01:42:17
January 30 2011 01:32 GMT
#846
I would support Violet for #1.

Hey, and there's even precedent for this.

Truthfully, of all the candidates, Jaedong is grudgingly probably the best for #1. Has he been tearing everything up? No, but he's a big favorite for the MSL, and he's been doing well enough in WL.

But then again, I keep going back and forth in my mind. Is being a favorite in a whittled down tournament of upset zergs entitle you to anything?

I still wonder if we're too quick to throw away Stork for #1. Finals in OSL, Ro8 in MSL, superb record in WL. Sure, he imploded in the last week, but most guys didn't even have the opportunity to implode.

Some people go by the standard of "Who, by theory, is the best player in the world?" for power rank. And if that is the criteria, Flash is clearly the answer and he should've been #1 this month too, but that's not the standard I've ever used before personally, so I wouldn't put him as #1 myself.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't have any idea who should be #1.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 30 2011 01:33 GMT
#847
What if Stork All-Kills in a few hours =P
Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
January 30 2011 01:40 GMT
#848
On January 30 2011 10:27 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 10:04 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
If the results of the remaining games in January are even more confounding, putting Violet first wouldn't be such a bad easy-way-out in my mind. After all, if Sea can make it for having a "powerful heart" too, Violet might have a shot.


yeah, when he starts posting on tl and playing games with tlers

:/


Thank you for agreeing that the definition of "power" was changed arbitrarily for that ranking to show good will, appreciation, and support for a certain player despite their real results and "power." I'm glad you're on board with me.
I'm not as thunk as dreople pink I am.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 30 2011 01:44 GMT
#849
I think the shoutouts were a pretty good idea and that the PR should keep the shoutouts section.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 30 2011 01:49 GMT
#850
On January 30 2011 09:33 StylishVODs wrote:
As for being hot. Flash is currently 2300+ in all matchups, whereas no one else is above 2300 in any matchup.

Obviously he's still very strong, probably the best, but Elo can be a poor measure of how well a player is doing. If Flash maintains a ~90% winrate in PL over the next 5 years but bombs out of every SL early he'd be by far #1 Elo, maybe 100-200 points ahead of the rest, but I wouldn't consider him a top player (strong yes, but not top). Not all games are equal. Of course that hypothetical is highly unlikely and he showed in 2010 that he can destroy StarLeagues like no other. Just saying, Elo has its flaws when judging how hot a player is.

As for your other post, the real problem I have with your argument is that you seem to discount the number of games played almost entirely. I've never been a fan of that because we've seen time and again that it becomes very hard to maintain high win percentages when you play a lot of games. For the record, number of games played:
22 Stork
19 Fantasy
16 Bisu
16 Jaedong
10 Flash

Stork/Fantasy played about twice as many games as Flash, and Bisu/Jaedong played 60% more games (so far). In fact, all of them have more wins than Flash (and yes, more losses also). If it were Sea with this record over the last two months he'd be probably be around 6-7 place, given how much has been going on this month. Since it is Flash, and we know from 2010 that he can perform (unlike Sea) he should be given the benefit of the doubt, but place 1-2? Come on. It's disingenuous to focus on the fact that he has only one loss, is almost undefeated, etc... without mentioning the fact that he's played far fewer games than the others.
Creator of LoLTool.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
January 30 2011 01:59 GMT
#851
On January 30 2011 08:31 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 07:42 nodule wrote:
Has anyone been mindgamed as many times as Stork in finals? So many fast 3-0s...


"so many"?

it's two. :/


You'd think if it happened to you once, you wouldn't let it happen again.

Starleague finals are a different game than anything else in starcraft, a fact that has just been proved once again.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 30 2011 02:38 GMT
#852
in my eyes the only significant achievement of stork this month is denying bisu from his 4th msl
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 30 2011 02:58 GMT
#853
On January 30 2011 09:32 renzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 09:24 okum wrote:
Violet for #1.


I actually would not mind if it makes Violet feel better. But then again, he prolly won't know about this. Actually if flamewheel trolls everyone and does this, it makes his job slightly easier. lol

Hmm actually quite a good idea...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 03:31:14
January 30 2011 03:19 GMT
#854
I actually don't think its such a good idea. A big shoutout, and a deserved position on the PR/cnbc (depending on flamewheel's criteria) is better than a #1 pity ranking, and this is coming from a huge Violet fan.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
January 30 2011 03:27 GMT
#855
On January 30 2011 11:38 disciple wrote:
in my eyes the only significant achievement of stork this month is denying bisu from his 4th msl

Honestly doubt Bisu would have won this MSL facing Zero, Great, Jaedong :/. But I do agree that people were blowing Stork out of proportion .
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 30 2011 03:38 GMT
#856
On January 30 2011 12:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 11:38 disciple wrote:
in my eyes the only significant achievement of stork this month is denying bisu from his 4th msl

Honestly doubt Bisu would have won this MSL facing Zero, Great, Jaedong :/. But I do agree that people were blowing Stork out of proportion .

I do. He's the best zerg killer around and he's beaten all of them in PL. Only thing zergs have in their favor is Zerg's Peak the Imbalanced.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 30 2011 03:48 GMT
#857
On January 30 2011 12:38 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 12:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
On January 30 2011 11:38 disciple wrote:
in my eyes the only significant achievement of stork this month is denying bisu from his 4th msl

Honestly doubt Bisu would have won this MSL facing Zero, Great, Jaedong :/. But I do agree that people were blowing Stork out of proportion .

I do. He's the best zerg killer around and he's beaten all of them in PL. Only thing zergs have in their favor is Zerg's Peak the Imbalanced.

And we all know that ProLeague = StarLeague, right? Except it doesn't. One game in PL is pretty irrelevant. Jaedong is 0-6 vs Stork in ProLeague and has beaten him in every BoX that they've had. Protoss have a winning record against Zerg in ProLeague right now, yet all 3 PvZ's in the MSL quarters ended in the Zergs winning. Bisu would have had a really good shot at winning for sure, he's a big favourite over Great, somewhat favoured over ZerO (though ZerO played fantastic and certainly could beat Bisu) and would be 50-50 against Jaedong (in a Bo5) IMO (somewhat depending on map order). I'd have given him a really good chance of winning but don't pretend it would have been a walk in the park for him.
Creator of LoLTool.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 30 2011 03:53 GMT
#858
On January 30 2011 12:48 Goragoth wrote:
Don't pretend it would have been a walk in the park for him.

I never said it would be. I just responded to someone who said it would be unlikely that he would win, which is certainly not true.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
January 30 2011 04:01 GMT
#859
On January 30 2011 12:53 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 12:48 Goragoth wrote:
Don't pretend it would have been a walk in the park for him.

I never said it would be. I just responded to someone who said it would be unlikely that he would win, which is certainly not true.


Yeah - as long as Bisu a) doesn't pick the group himself and b) doesn't play ZerO he's fine against Zerg.

Oh, wait. Still, if he'd beaten Stork and then ZerO, he's a huge favorite against great and probably on even footing with Jaedong right now. So sure. If Bisu hadn't been knocked out two rounds ago, he'd be the favorite to win the MSL.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
lastmotion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
368 Posts
January 30 2011 04:06 GMT
#860
On January 30 2011 08:48 StylishVODs wrote:

Musoeun, I have a strong feeling that the only reason Flash got knocked out was because he didn't reach as high as Ro8. Once the Bo5's start he's not very likely to go down before the finals.


yes that seems logical. its also logical to assume that Flash would have greater chance of getting knocked out as he reached RO8 or greater because tougher opponents are found in RO8 than RO16

I'm amazed how much Flash bias is in your post. But make no mistake, I actually agree that Flash may be the greatest player - from a different reasoning though. Flash is Terran, thus he will always be better than the best Zerg player (JD) or the greatest Protoss player
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