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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 14 2010 09:11 GMT
#41
On September 14 2010 17:09 mrkent wrote:
"He certainly showed he’s capable of beating Flash in a series"

What? JD 4 pooling 2x in a row clearly shows his lack of confidence in beating flash in a best of 5.


lol will he 14 cc's 99% of the time but when jaedong changes and decides to punish flash for it he decides not to do it once. If jaedong had done this in the MSL finals on the last map 4 pool he would have won.

But guess people well say anything... While I don't like that Jaedong 4 pooled in the third game that can't be changed.
When I think of something else, something will go here
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
September 14 2010 09:15 GMT
#42
On September 14 2010 18:11 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 17:09 mrkent wrote:
"He certainly showed he’s capable of beating Flash in a series"

What? JD 4 pooling 2x in a row clearly shows his lack of confidence in beating flash in a best of 5.


lol will he 14 cc's 99% of the time but when jaedong changes and decides to punish flash for it he decides not to do it once. If jaedong had done this in the MSL finals on the last map 4 pool he would have won.

But guess people well say anything... While I don't like that Jaedong 4 pooled in the third game that can't be changed.

Yeah I don't think the 4pool had anything to do with being afraid of flash, it was a strategy used to scare off flash from making any 14CC attempts. You have to change it up abit in a rivalry to be able to stay on top of it.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
September 14 2010 09:23 GMT
#43
One of the first times I 100% agree with the power rank.
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Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
September 14 2010 10:03 GMT
#44
How can anyone hate on Snorlax ^_^?

Great writeup was fun reading and the reasonings for picks are very solid. Bit more on Flash would have been ok as people have been saying but hey it's good enough.

In the future for PL and such, wax will always have solid picks and I am looking forward to that. And he will have many more chances to talk about Flash and why he is #1 anyway :D
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
September 14 2010 10:03 GMT
#45
The PR is perfect

lol don't know where this expectation for 'more praise' comes from, if people want that they should make a thread for it. The PR should be concise, objective, explanatory etc., i.e. exactly as Waxangel has done it
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
September 14 2010 10:22 GMT
#46
WTF no Zero, not even in CBNC? 2-0 vs Action, beating Jaedong, Hiya, Effort, Snow, Light in Stars' great STX Masters run where he all-killed Oz. One bad loss in ZvZ (can't really call 2-1 vs Fantasy and 2-0 vs free bad) and that warrants no mention?
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
September 14 2010 10:29 GMT
#47
NaDa won both finals the same season. It was KPGA Tour and not MSL yet, but most people don't hold that against Nada. Do you?

I also don't want to say to praise Flash more, but you could have said more of his accomplishments. Especially relevant ones like:

On September 14 2010 09:59 Kazius wrote:
Winning the MSL using risky fast expansion builds and sharp timing attacks, and then winning the OSL without doing so once.


Also you did not mention 3 consecutive dual final appearances. Just for the historians know when they look back.

Also, no STX Cup? But that's what first made our boy Stork come back into the ranking recently.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
September 14 2010 10:51 GMT
#48
World is back to normal. Finally!
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
September 14 2010 11:03 GMT
#49
On September 14 2010 19:22 sixfour wrote:
WTF no Zero, not even in CBNC? 2-0 vs Action, beating Jaedong, Hiya, Effort, Snow, Light in Stars' great STX Masters run where he all-killed Oz. One bad loss in ZvZ (can't really call 2-1 vs Fantasy and 2-0 vs free bad) and that warrants no mention?


2-0 vs free is certainly bad from Zero's PoV.

And Wax did say STX Masters count for nothing.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-14 11:14:57
September 14 2010 11:09 GMT
#50
i like the old pr better.

not enough hype, i mean we just witness the birth of a bonjwa. It should be more dramatic that this.

Yes, I am a Terran fanboy since the pre boxer times
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
September 14 2010 11:35 GMT
#51
Nice PR. Although you just reminded me JD lost the OSL, and now it hurts me inside again ='(
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
September 14 2010 11:51 GMT
#52
On September 14 2010 19:51 Grend wrote:
World is back to normal. Finally!

Beacuse the world revolves around the PR...
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
September 14 2010 12:04 GMT
#53
On September 14 2010 19:03 structuralinertia wrote:
lol don't know where this expectation for 'more praise' comes from, if people want that they should make a thread for it. The PR should be concise, objective, explanatory etc., i.e. exactly as Waxangel has done it

Its not so much praise as just more oppinions and thoughts that makes up for fun discussion.
Most of the older PRs have alot more text for nr 1 and 2 than this one had.

Some bold statements, some bias or whatever just write something more so we can talk about it
The writer talked almost nothing about how the top players are actually performing right now and what he thinks about it etc...

The rankings are good, although I'd like to see Zero atleast in CBNC.
But there is not enough spirit, specially for a moment like we're in right now.

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
September 14 2010 12:15 GMT
#54
Eh kinda sad that no Bizzard or KESPA are not in the rankings.

Preety much expected result. Flash Bonjwa and JD wins everyone and losing only to Flash.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
September 14 2010 12:24 GMT
#55
NO Zero?

...
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Cholli
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany8 Posts
September 14 2010 12:26 GMT
#56
I agree with the ranking aswell, but maybe there could have been a similar thing to "power outage" in 3rd place to make the gap between 2nd and 3rd place more obvious.
nimoraca
Profile Joined February 2007
Serbia84 Posts
September 14 2010 12:36 GMT
#57
Worst PR in such a long time. Complete lack of enthusiasm. It might be because Dong lost the OSL or whatever.
The point of PR is not to list the players in descending order, otherwise you could just write them down from one to ten and say nothing. The point is to hear the authors opinion on what he thinks about the form of a given player in a given month and to give credit where its due.

It is also very unfair to Flash to say that Flash and Jaedong were "deadlocked in terms of skill", and Flash JUST grabbed all the trophies.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
September 14 2010 13:25 GMT
#58
On September 14 2010 21:36 nimoraca wrote:
Worst PR in such a long time. Complete lack of enthusiasm. It might be because Dong lost the OSL or whatever.
The point of PR is not to list the players in descending order, otherwise you could just write them down from one to ten and say nothing. The point is to hear the authors opinion on what he thinks about the form of a given player in a given month and to give credit where its due.

It is also very unfair to Flash to say that Flash and Jaedong were "deadlocked in terms of skill", and Flash JUST grabbed all the trophies.


True. Flash showed to have a clear edge in both finals imho and if there was another Bo5 series between Flash in JD in the near future I don't think many people would seriously bet on JD to take it. Flash pretty much dominated JD in every aspect of the game in the last finals(except maybe micro in Game 2). This PR doesn't really reflect that.

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
September 14 2010 13:35 GMT
#59
Thx for a good matter-of-factly PR Waxangel I think I agree with most of it.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
expostfacto
Profile Joined December 2002
United States365 Posts
September 14 2010 13:55 GMT
#60
<3 Wax. Takes me back to the old Halpmeh days...
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