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On May 29 2010 21:39 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 21:29 StylishVODs wrote:On May 29 2010 21:25 SuperArc wrote:On May 29 2010 21:21 StylishVODs wrote:I can't believe how close flash was of winning both leagues. 2-0 leads opening in both finals. Seriously I'd be so happy for him if he'd 3-0'd both finals  Would have been an appropriate end to his dominance this season. He was never close. If he had 3-0ed the OSL the MSL would have turned out way differently. Yes, I don't know if thats true or not. But neither do you. Yeah well I just know I'm right and you're wrong. What's "close" to you? A win and a 2-3 loss from a 2-0 lead. Thats as close as you can get, literally. A win and a 2-3 loss (in that order) would be close. But it was a 2-3 loss and a win. Players like Flash and Jaedong are way stronger after a loss/being underdogs.Imo Flash was way closer to double gold in the last season than this one (game 3 was so back and forth). I am sure I am not the only one who thinks today's final would have turned out way differently had Flash won game 3 of the OSL.
This is the stupidest statement I have ever seen, what stylish is saying is that he was close to winning both finals, he DID win vs. jaedong and he ALMOST won against effort by going up 2-0 you could not be more wrong. Do you just hate flash and not want to admit that or something? god it gives me a headache how stupid that argument is.
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On May 29 2010 23:16 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 21:39 SuperArc wrote:On May 29 2010 21:29 StylishVODs wrote:On May 29 2010 21:25 SuperArc wrote:On May 29 2010 21:21 StylishVODs wrote:I can't believe how close flash was of winning both leagues. 2-0 leads opening in both finals. Seriously I'd be so happy for him if he'd 3-0'd both finals Would have been an appropriate end to his dominance this season. He was never close. If he had 3-0ed the OSL the MSL would have turned out way differently. Yes, I don't know if thats true or not. But neither do you. Yeah well I just know I'm right and you're wrong. What's "close" to you? A win and a 2-3 loss from a 2-0 lead. Thats as close as you can get, literally. A win and a 2-3 loss (in that order) would be close. But it was a 2-3 loss and a win. Players like Flash and Jaedong are way stronger after a loss/being underdogs.Imo Flash was way closer to double gold in the last season than this one (game 3 was so back and forth). I am sure I am not the only one who thinks today's final would have turned out way differently had Flash won game 3 of the OSL. This is the stupidest statement I have ever seen, what stylish is saying is that he was close to winning both finals, he DID win vs. jaedong and he ALMOST won against effort by going up 2-0 you could not be more wrong. Do you just hate flash and not want to admit that or something? god it gives me a headache how stupid that argument is.
No I am saying Flash would have went to the MSL final in a way differently mentality than he did today. (worse for Flash, better for JD)
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please just stop, superarc, aren't you embarrassed at this point?
i agree with whoever said jaedong fans have been a lot quieter than flash fans were after the osl, which leaves the question of who has prompted the swift addition of 75 posts to this thread - but of course it's effort fans
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1. Flash
2. Jaedong
3. Effort
4/5. Kal/Baby
No one can argue otherwise.
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1 . Flash
2. Jaedong
3. Effort
sounds right. :D no one will argue otherwise
Flash had a monster showing at the MSL
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its definetly effort #2, no reason to put JD there
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Can't really disagree with Effort as #2. He got a gold, JD silver. Effort showed huge adaptivity in his series. Sadly JD did not. Effort also has a 4-2 record vs Flash while JD has 0-3.
Both looked evenly invincible at their other matches.
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I really think Effort has to be number 2 just based on their respective performances against Flash as well as the fact that Effort got the title.
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It's true I think that Flash's mentality was a bit stronger than it would have been if he had won OSL, but damn it, he completely swept Jaedong in a bo5.
Flash is the only choice for #1 this month. Period. I'd also put in an argument that he's now worthy of the name bonjwa. At the critical stage he overcame his rival and showed that his dominance as #1 in e-sports today is unquestionable.
And I'm not particularly a Flash fan. I like Flash and I like Jaedong, but I don't like a lot of the bullshit that gets tossed around by Flash's fans and Jaedong's fans. The reality is that Flash just overcame his chief rival in blowout fashion while at the height of his career while making the finals of both leagues back-to-back and maintaining roughly 80% wins over the past 12 months (79.8% counting last night, comparable to Oov at his prime), along the way defeating top names in the power rank and KeSPA rank and ELO from all three races for the past two seasons. I'd admit that there are players we haven't seen him bo5 that I'd like to see him bo5 against (for example, Leta and Snow), but it's not Flash's fault that those players don't make it far enough into individual leagues to give us that. The fact is that what Flash has just done is bonjwa worthy. Jaedong entered as the contender and he lost.
As for the talk of Effort at #2, I hesitate on that. Effort had a better series against Flash, yes, but if you go back to April and March, Jaedong was obviously vastly stronger. Other than the finals performances, Jaedong's May was every bit as good, possibly better even. I like Effort a lot. I'm more of an Effort fan than a Flash or Jaedong fan, but credit should be given where credit is due, and Jaedong is the second best player in the world.
My list remains:
1. Flash
2. Jaedong
3. Effort
---BIG GAP---
4-5. Kal and Baby (in either order)
6-8. Fantasy, Calm and Midas (in no order)
9-10. Leta and Snow (again, either order)
My list of contenders for PR spots are: Iris, Hyuk, Stats, Action, Shine, and Classic
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1. Flash
what do u guys think
little controversial i know but.....
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4.  BaBy
come on guys. search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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On May 30 2010 01:56 Mortality wrote:
9-10. Leta and Snow (again, either order)
My list of contenders for PR spots are: Iris, Hyuk, Stats, Action, Shine, and Classic
No way should Leta get on after getting 2-0ed by Sky[Kal]. I'd rank all of those "contenders" above Leta, even Hyuk. (maybe not Shine)
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ugh. jaedong...
you broke my heart
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On May 30 2010 01:46 dani_caliKorea wrote:I would argue and put  EffOrt #2 Jaedong's Record: 13 wins - 4 losses EffOrt's Record: Record: 9 wins - 2 losses Jaedong might have more wins, but I think winning a starleague is more important. If Jaedong lost 2-3, maybe Jaedong should be #2, but as of now, EffOrt deserves #2.
Effort's record is worser, man.
Jaedong dominated 9 people out of 10, 3 of them in BoX
Effort played against only 4 people and only 2 BoX
There's a benefit of the doubt, you know, and it works both ways.
You can't drop guy from second place simply because he lost to #1 after his usual brutal win streak.
And you can't pull other guy out of nowhere and put him at 2 place after 2 matches and just flat out ignore his disgusting performance in last month that left bad taste in mouths of many people.
Personally, I wouldn't even put him at 3rd place and rather see BaBy there. Even though BaBy didn't win title his solid performance at least doesn't look like a fluke
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On May 30 2010 02:16 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 01:46 dani_caliKorea wrote:On  MaY 30 2010 01:34 DreaM)XeRO wrote:1 . Flash2. Jaedong3. EffOrt sounds right. :D no one will argue otherwise Flash had a monster showing at the MSL I would argue and put EffOrt #2 Jaedong's Record: 13 wins - 4 losses EffOrt's Record: Record: 9 wins - 2 losses Jaedong might have more wins, but I think winning a starleague is more important. If Jaedong lost 2-3, maybe Jaedong should be #2, but as of now, EffOrt deserves #2. Effort's record is worser, man. Jaedong dominated 9 people out of 10, 3 of them in BoX Effort played against only 4 people and only 2 BoX There's a benefit of the doubt, you know, and it works both ways. You can't drop guy from second place simply because he lost to #1 after his usual brutal win streak. And you can't pull other guy out of nowhere and put him at 2 place after 2 matches and just flat out ignore his disgusting performance in last month that left bad taste in mouths of many people. Personally, I wouldn't even put him at 3rd place and rather see BaBy there. Even though BaBy didn't win title his solid performance at least doesn't look like a fluke
baby over OSL winner. Now I HAVE seen everything.
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On May 30 2010 02:16 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 01:46 dani_caliKorea wrote:On MaY 30 2010 01:34 DreaM)XeRO wrote:1 . Flash2. Jaedong3. EffOrt sounds right. :D no one will argue otherwise Flash had a monster showing at the MSL I would argue and put EffOrt #2 Jaedong's Record: 13 wins - 4 losses EffOrt's Record: Record: 9 wins - 2 losses Jaedong might have more wins, but I think winning a starleague is more important. If Jaedong lost 2-3, maybe Jaedong should be #2, but as of now, EffOrt deserves #2. Effort's record is worser, man. Jaedong dominated 9 people out of 10, 3 of them in BoX Effort played against only 4 people and only 2 BoX There's a benefit of the doubt, you know, and it works both ways. You can't drop guy from second place simply because he lost to #1 after his usual brutal win streak. And you can't pull other guy out of nowhere and put him at 2 place after 2 matches and just flat out ignore his disgusting performance in last month that left bad taste in mouths of many people. Personally, I wouldn't even put him at 3rd place and rather see BaBy there. Even though BaBy didn't win title his solid performance at least doesn't look like a fluke
Even if you think his win over Flash was a fluke, he crushed Kal, the perennial #4, viciously in a painful 3-0. On top of that, he did beat Flash earlier this month in a very adequate game. Flash will be the #1 this month, and Effort is the only guy with an impressive record on him.
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On May 29 2010 20:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I like how you have this enormously longwinded section on effort and jaedong compared to everyone else. You literally did noting but compliment Effort while faulting everyone else. I understand where you're coming from but you're trying too hard to justify him.
You can't criticize everyone but one person unless that one person did something like a lossless month of domination.
I think I wrote enough I about each. I imagined the biggest point of contention would be Jaedong and EffOrt battling over the second spot, and so I wrote a lot about Jaedong too. At the end of the Jaedong section, I suggested why Jaedong should still the get benefit of the doubt over EffOrt. At the same time, EffOrt has had a great month, and gotten a lot of random hate.
I think your point is not really fair.
On May 30 2010 02:16 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 01:46 dani_caliKorea wrote:On MaY 30 2010 01:34 DreaM)XeRO wrote:1 . Flash2. Jaedong3. EffOrt sounds right. :D no one will argue otherwise Flash had a monster showing at the MSL I would argue and put EffOrt #2 Jaedong's Record: 13 wins - 4 losses EffOrt's Record: Record: 9 wins - 2 losses Jaedong might have more wins, but I think winning a starleague is more important. If Jaedong lost 2-3, maybe Jaedong should be #2, but as of now, EffOrt deserves #2. Effort's record is worser, man. Jaedong dominated 9 people out of 10, 3 of them in BoX Effort played against only 4 people and only 2 BoX There's a benefit of the doubt, you know, and it works both ways. You can't drop guy from second place simply because he lost to #1 after his usual brutal win streak. And you can't pull other guy out of nowhere and put him at 2 place after 2 matches and just flat out ignore his disgusting performance in last month that left bad taste in mouths of many people. Personally, I wouldn't even put him at 3rd place and rather see BaBy there. Even though BaBy didn't win title his solid performance at least doesn't look like a fluke
Also, there's a huge difference between someone like Shine who comes out of nowhere to 1a2a3a his way to the OSL semi-finals, and a guy like EffOrt who has already earned his credibility as a top-level gamer who comes out of a slump to win the OSL. Not a fluke.
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Also, Leta lost in the MSL offlines, and Calm has a losing record for this month. I can't see either of them making this PR.
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Wow, I'm amazed at how many people want to put JD at #2 over effort. Effort.'s month was awesome, and it ended in a freaking OSL gold over flash!
Sure, you can argue all you want that effort would have lost against the flash of MSL, but, really? REALLY?
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On May 30 2010 03:24 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 20:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I like how you have this enormously longwinded section on effort and jaedong compared to everyone else. You literally did noting but compliment Effort while faulting everyone else. I understand where you're coming from but you're trying too hard to justify him.
You can't criticize everyone but one person unless that one person did something like a lossless month of domination. I think I wrote enough I about each. I imagined the biggest point of contention would be Jaedong and EffOrt battling over the second spot, and so I wrote a lot about Jaedong too. At the end of the Jaedong section, I suggested why Jaedong should still the get benefit of the doubt over EffOrt. At the same time, EffOrt has had a great month, and gotten a lot of random hate. I think your point is not really fair.
Dude, the Effort part of your post is like a love letter. It's not a point, I'm just making fun of your "reasoning" for being transparently bias in favor of the guy you like, while trying to make it sound all legit. I mean seriously reread the Effort part of that rank and notice how you just say Effort's amazing at everything and is the future of starcraft. I actually found it funny
I mean here re read it right here for ease's sake:
+ Show Spoiler +This month, EffOrt occupied the position that he had begun to build for himself last summer in the proleague finals, as among BW's elite. Nonetheless, a lot of people have said some remarkably silly things about EffOrt recently. That's a shame, because EffOrt's OSL victory had all the hallmarks of a future champion. He showed grit and determination against a superior opponent. He did not break under pressure. He adapted in-game. And he harnessed the little bit of luck that came his way and ran with it.
In fact, what many people seemed to have missed about EffOrt's OSL run was how out of character it actually was. EffOrt is the management zerg to Jaedong's aggression. EffOrt races for a hive, and throws up crazy expansions. He attacks with small groups all over the map. He wears down his opponents. Which is why it was so interesting to see EffOrt break out a devastating early/mid-game to complement his superb late game multitasking ability. That's partially a product of CJ's coaching, but it's also a testament to EffOrt's skill as a player. And above all else, this should be alarming to EffOrt's future opponents. Giving this kid main stage experience, and expanding his deadly arsenal of tools can only mean more summer domination from the messiahlisk. The legend of the tiebreaker lives on.
My favorite part is where you go "he won with aggression, now let me wax poetic about how he plays lategame." It is the closest thing I can imagine to a word for word regurgitation of what a diehard fan thinks of him.
And there's nothing wrong with that! Don't get me wrong, I am numero uno in support of diehard fansmanship, it makes the game more important and lively for us fanboys. I'm just laughing that you tried to make a rank out of that exact horribly biased mindset.
The best part is I actually agree with your ranks, just find your descriptions utterly hilarious.
PS: Every player gets random hate. You don't have to justify it. Most players who get random hate are either unyieldingly awful or quite good. Though in effort's case I think a lot of it was the horrrrrible tiebreakers and the admittedly kindof-sortof cheesey win in the OSL (I'm not discrediting! Totally not! I'm seriously doing my best not to get misunderstood, Effort totally earned that OSL title)
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