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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 10:54:21
May 20 2010 10:53 GMT
#501
Rank 1 and 2 (Power Rank, ELO, Kespa) face each other again.

Brood War is so great right now, it's never been more competitive.
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SC2 has nothing on this.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
May 20 2010 10:54 GMT
#502
On May 20 2010 02:23 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 20:26 Silentness wrote:
On May 19 2010 18:18 Vasoline73 wrote:
815's game today was so horrible.

When the dropship left Classic's base I was like "LOL it would be totally like 815 to lose from this position just because he's so bad. Oh well, KT is up 2-1 woot!"

*single dropship kills 815's 12 o clock base"
....

"Ok LOL 815 at least you still have a huge ass army and are teching to hive"
*camera shows 815 still on lair*

FMLLLLLLLLL.


815 is Savior's clone.

Savior stayed on lair tech a whole game against a Bio terran player too during the qualifications for individual league. He went some type of hydra/ling build. (forgot if it was MSL or OSL) SAVIOR GOT ROLLED that game.



Uhm, are you basing all of Savior's style on one game you watched? You do realize that Savior was well known for his Hive tech play don't you?


nah I'm basing off the fact that I think Savior rigged that game as well. The way 815 played it looks like he always "sandbags", but that's just him sucking
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 20 2010 10:55 GMT
#503
Gold+Silver would beat Gold, just like last time.

We're so lucky to get Flash vs JD once again, it will hopefully be really epic. They're truly the best players in the history of the game, and they're really different as players too. If MBC fucks this up again I'll never forgive them. It's impossible to say who will win, especially now with JD back in super form. And to be honest, I don't even care too much about who wins as long as there is no Power Outage or lots of 4 Pool/BBS stuff. And no 3-0.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
May 20 2010 10:58 GMT
#504
Honestly I'm a big time Flash fan, but I can't even be biased... I think Jaedong is going to beat Flash. Jaedong won the last time, and he looks stronger than ever this MSL finals. When I saw Jaedong rip Midas apart... I knew that Flash is in trouble.

Hopefully Flash gives me more confidence in him against Effort during the OSL... cause right now I think Jaedong > Flash.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 20 2010 11:02 GMT
#505
On May 20 2010 19:55 Holgerius wrote:
Gold+Silver would beat Gold, just like last time.

We're so lucky to get Flash vs JD once again, it will hopefully be really epic. They're truly the best players in the history of the game, and they're really different as players too. If MBC fucks this up again I'll never forgive them. It's impossible to say who will win, especially now with JD back in super form. And to be honest, I don't even care too much about who wins as long as there is no Power Outage or lots of 4 Pool/BBS stuff. And no 3-0.


Except PR is less about results and is more about who looks like the better player within the context of the month.

If JD beats Flash in a bo5, his ZvT>Flash's TvZ, JD's ZvZ also looks to be in godlike form with this semis, and his ZvP would eat any protoss alive if they ever manage to face him instead of dodging him for the last 3 months. JD's form is simply really really strong now and I hope he can take down Flash and prove he is the GOAT.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 12:08:12
May 20 2010 11:42 GMT
#506
Are we already forgetting how absolutely fucking absurdly sick Flash is, and has been for quite a while? I don't know if you've noticed, but Flash has had ALL his MU's over 2300 ELO this month (don't know where they are now since his 2 losses), broke the Kespa point record and has reached consecutive dual finals by completely roflstomping (seriously, it was fucking brutal) his opponents 3-0 in both the semi's, going 13-3 thus far this month.

Flash has also kept up this extreme dominance since October last year, whereas JD has recently been through a mini slump (and pretty much during this entire period he's been inferior to Flash) and lagged behind Flash a lot, while ''only'' reaching 1 final per season. One month ago no one would've considered calling JD bonjwa whereas Flash was being called God Young Ho, better than all the previous bonjwas.

For every Bo5 JD has to prepare for, Flash has two. JD gets the benefit of getting to analyze a Flash TvZ Bo5 (vs a really strong opponent as well) one week before they clash. JD has pretty much a 50% chance of taking Flash down, but he does not neccesarily deserve the #1 spot if he does it. Gold+Silver should > Gold once more.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
May 20 2010 11:43 GMT
#507
On May 20 2010 20:02 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 19:55 Holgerius wrote:
Gold+Silver would beat Gold, just like last time.

We're so lucky to get Flash vs JD once again, it will hopefully be really epic. They're truly the best players in the history of the game, and they're really different as players too. If MBC fucks this up again I'll never forgive them. It's impossible to say who will win, especially now with JD back in super form. And to be honest, I don't even care too much about who wins as long as there is no Power Outage or lots of 4 Pool/BBS stuff. And no 3-0.


Except PR is less about results and is more about who looks like the better player within the context of the month.


I'm glad we agree on this. The very important context of the month is that Flash is in both leagues while JD is only in one. Last time JD was deep in both leagues he got raped in PL finals going 0:3, lost to Calm 1:3 in MSL and beated fantasy in OSL. He was still considered the best player back then because that's just what a very hard workload does to you.

I'm not going foolishly speculated what if and what if not, but saying that JD>Flash based only on the result of MSL final is very shortsighted.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 12:20:07
May 20 2010 12:14 GMT
#508
On May 20 2010 20:42 Holgerius wrote:
Are we already forgetting how absolutely fucking absurdly sick Flash is, and has been for quite a while? I don't know if you've noticed, but Flash has had ALL his MU's over 2300 ELO this month (don't know where they are now since his 2 losses), broke the Kespa point record and has reached consecutive dual finals by completely roflstomping (seriously, it was fucking brutal) his opponents 3-0 in both the semi's, going 13-3 thus far this month.

Flash has also kept up this extreme dominance since October last year, whereas JD has recently been through a mini slump (and pretty much during this entire period he's been inferior to Flash) and lagged behind Flash a lot, while ''only'' reaching 1 final per season. One month ago no one would've considered calling JD bonjwa whereas Flash was being called God Young Ho, better than all the previous bonjwas.

For every Bo5 JD has to prepare for, Flash has two. JD gets the benefit of getting to analyze a Flash TvZ Bo5 (vs a really strong opponent as well) one week before they clash. JD has pretty much a 50% chance of taking Flash down, but he does not neccesarily deserve the #1 spot if he does it. Gold+Silver should > Gold once more.


I agree.
I don't think Flash will lose, but seriously. If he loses one Bo5 after all his accomplishmentsthis month and he gets dropped for it, it really sucks.

If he loses, I would simply write the same as was written for savior when he lost (0-3) to Bisu.

"I know the 0-3 loss to Bisu looks bad—-and it was—-but if anyone can overcome the OGN Curse, it’s Savior. Given all that he’s achieved in recent memory, I’d be doing him and the PR an incredible disservice if I put him at anywhere but #1."

Flash is in both finals, for the second time in a row. Sometimes I don't understand how people think.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 12:18:27
May 20 2010 12:17 GMT
#509
When Savior (back when he was, you know, honest) took down Nada, no one could deny him. There was no doubt, and even his greatest detractors had to concede that there was just no touching him. Ironically that was his last invincible moment, but at the time it looked like he just might never lose again.

Flash stumbled last season but it made him stronger. I think he almost even felt "what? I made both finals after underachieving for nearly two years?". This time he's ready, and Jaedong has kindly done his part and returned to the finals as well. This time Flash is going to win both leagues, and there'll be no debate. Or so I hope!
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 20 2010 12:20 GMT
#510
gonna have to agree with that too. flash has simply been insane and has continued this month to break all sorts of records, and just like a week or two ago people were saying that calling him bonjwa was not enough. i really don't think, unless the guy truly collapses, that we can take #1 away.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 20 2010 12:43 GMT
#511
The only way Flash can beat JD in finals, is through mind games. He needs 3 openings with good build order advantages.
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 12:52:41
May 20 2010 12:50 GMT
#512
On May 20 2010 21:43 arbiter_md wrote:
The only way Flash can beat JD in finals, is through mind games. He needs 3 openings with good build order advantages.


What? Last finals JD beat flash becuase he had the better builds.
If they have equal good openings it will be really great.

Korean commentators said this in a recent interview:
- You need a build order advantage against Flash. There is no real way of beating Flash without it. Jaedong has shown this recently, keeping up with Terran's transitions and transitioning himself and overwhelming the Terran with Army.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 20 2010 12:55 GMT
#513
On May 20 2010 21:50 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 21:43 arbiter_md wrote:
The only way Flash can beat JD in finals, is through mind games. He needs 3 openings with good build order advantages.


What? Last finals JD beat flash becuase he had the better builds.
If they have equal good openings it will be really great.

Korean commentators said this in a recent interview:
- You need a build order advantage against Flash. There is no real way of beating Flash without it. Jaedong has shown this recently, keeping up with Terran's transitions and transitioning himself and overwhelming the Terran with Army.


there are no equal openings in tvz
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 20 2010 12:57 GMT
#514
yes there are, go 1rax FE vs 12hatch -> pool and you have equal openings.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
NurseArial
Profile Joined March 2010
Belarus109 Posts
May 20 2010 13:08 GMT
#515
I don't understand how anyone could think Jaedong beating Flash in a Bo5 while Flash picks up a gold in the OSL AND simultaneously dominates proleague means Flash should drop below him. One Bo5 doesn't prove who is the better player, especially not when the preparation time is disproportionate, Jaedong has a much easier schedule than Flash does.

When you're deciding these things you need to look at all aspects of the player, how they won the games they did, how they did in all leagues, and how they have been doing since the beginning of the month and even a bit before.

Unless Flash loses both finals, I really don't see how you could justify him dropping to #2.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 20 2010 13:36 GMT
#516
On May 20 2010 21:57 StylishVODs wrote:
yes there are, go 1rax FE vs 12hatch -> pool and you have equal openings.


rofl, zerg is way behind when he goes 12hatch vs rax fe, its just zergs dont have any other choice to open the game

lol calling rax fe vs 12hatch even haha
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 13:48:16
May 20 2010 13:47 GMT
#517
Alright SuperArc, explain to me in comprehensive detail, using your relevant knowledge of the game, on why a Zerg who goes 12hatch isn't equal with a terran who goes 1rax FE?

Note I am not saying you are wrong, just critical of your offhanded dismissal of his, admittedly lacking in detail point.
Remember Violet.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
May 20 2010 14:50 GMT
#518
Jaedong is at his peak and one would say age-wise just about getting to the other side. Flash is just beginning to peak. We'll know if we are transitioning from the Dong era to the Flash era if Flash wins this. My money is on JD.
WWJDD??
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
May 20 2010 14:55 GMT
#519
On May 20 2010 23:50 WWJDD wrote:
Jaedong is at his peak and one would say age-wise just about getting to the other side. Flash is just beginning to peak. We'll know if we are transitioning from the Dong era to the Flash era if Flash wins this. My money is on JD.


Haha. Of course it is. Just look at your fucking account name...

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Sorry, just had to do this. If you want to be taken seriously, I'd really recommend to change your name//create a new account. You see, in this forum even a team logo in your signature is enough to be labeled "rabid fanboy".
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 15:00:57
May 20 2010 14:59 GMT
#520
On May 20 2010 22:36 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 21:57 StylishVODs wrote:
yes there are, go 1rax FE vs 12hatch -> pool and you have equal openings.


rofl, zerg is way behind when he goes 12hatch vs rax fe, its just zergs dont have any other choice to open the game

lol calling rax fe vs 12hatch even haha


You are wrong.
I've played alot of TvZ. I play on A- level vs both iccup and the best zergs of sweden on a regular basis.

These are the two most standard openings of the matchup.
If you ever watch a game where these openings occur and you say that terran has the opening advantage you know very little about starcraft.

You can claim that terran has advantage over zerg by using statistics such as tvz 52% in shinhan proleague 2009-2010. But thats very vague.

Edit: The fact that you say "way behind" is enough for me to know that you know very little of what you're talking about.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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