EPTBrood War is so great right now, it's never been more competitive.
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Power Rank 05/03/2010 - Page 26
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
Brood War is so great right now, it's never been more competitive. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On May 20 2010 02:23 Mortality wrote: Uhm, are you basing all of Savior's style on one game you watched? You do realize that Savior was well known for his Hive tech play don't you? nah I'm basing off the fact that I think Savior rigged that game as well. The way 815 played it looks like he always "sandbags", but that's just him sucking | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
We're so lucky to get Flash vs JD once again, it will hopefully be really epic. They're truly the best players in the history of the game, and they're really different as players too.  If MBC fucks this up again I'll never forgive them. It's impossible to say who will win, especially now with JD back in super form. And to be honest, I don't even care too much about who wins as long as there is no Power Outage or lots of 4 Pool/BBS stuff. And no 3-0. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
Hopefully Flash gives me more confidence in him against Effort during the OSL... cause right now I think Jaedong > Flash. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On May 20 2010 19:55 Holgerius wrote: Gold+Silver would beat Gold, just like last time. We're so lucky to get Flash vs JD once again, it will hopefully be really epic. They're truly the best players in the history of the game, and they're really different as players too. If MBC fucks this up again I'll never forgive them. It's impossible to say who will win, especially now with JD back in super form. And to be honest, I don't even care too much about who wins as long as there is no Power Outage or lots of 4 Pool/BBS stuff. And no 3-0. Except PR is less about results and is more about who looks like the better player within the context of the month. If JD beats Flash in a bo5, his ZvT>Flash's TvZ, JD's ZvZ also looks to be in godlike form with this semis, and his ZvP would eat any protoss alive if they ever manage to face him instead of dodging him for the last 3 months. JD's form is simply really really strong now and I hope he can take down Flash and prove he is the GOAT. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Flash has also kept up this extreme dominance since October last year, whereas JD has recently been through a mini slump (and pretty much during this entire period he's been inferior to Flash) and lagged behind Flash a lot, while ''only'' reaching 1 final per season. One month ago no one would've considered calling JD bonjwa whereas Flash was being called God Young Ho, better than all the previous bonjwas. For every Bo5 JD has to prepare for, Flash has two. JD gets the benefit of getting to analyze a Flash TvZ Bo5 (vs a really strong opponent as well) one week before they clash. JD has pretty much a 50% chance of taking Flash down, but he does not neccesarily deserve the #1 spot if he does it. Gold+Silver should > Gold once more. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On May 20 2010 20:02 samachking wrote: Except PR is less about results and is more about who looks like the better player within the context of the month. I'm glad we agree on this. The very important context of the month is that Flash is in both leagues while JD is only in one. Last time JD was deep in both leagues he got raped in PL finals going 0:3, lost to Calm 1:3 in MSL and beated fantasy in OSL. He was still considered the best player back then because that's just what a very hard workload does to you. I'm not going foolishly speculated what if and what if not, but saying that JD>Flash based only on the result of MSL final is very shortsighted. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 20 2010 20:42 Holgerius wrote: Are we already forgetting how absolutely fucking absurdly sick Flash is, and has been for quite a while? I don't know if you've noticed, but Flash has had ALL his MU's over 2300 ELO this month (don't know where they are now since his 2 losses), broke the Kespa point record and has reached consecutive dual finals by completely roflstomping (seriously, it was fucking brutal) his opponents 3-0 in both the semi's, going 13-3 thus far this month. Flash has also kept up this extreme dominance since October last year, whereas JD has recently been through a mini slump (and pretty much during this entire period he's been inferior to Flash) and lagged behind Flash a lot, while ''only'' reaching 1 final per season. One month ago no one would've considered calling JD bonjwa whereas Flash was being called God Young Ho, better than all the previous bonjwas. For every Bo5 JD has to prepare for, Flash has two. JD gets the benefit of getting to analyze a Flash TvZ Bo5 (vs a really strong opponent as well) one week before they clash. JD has pretty much a 50% chance of taking Flash down, but he does not neccesarily deserve the #1 spot if he does it. Gold+Silver should > Gold once more. I agree. I don't think Flash will lose, but seriously. If he loses one Bo5 after all his accomplishmentsthis month and he gets dropped for it, it really sucks. If he loses, I would simply write the same as was written for savior when he lost (0-3) to Bisu. "I know the 0-3 loss to Bisu looks bad—-and it was—-but if anyone can overcome the OGN Curse, it’s Savior. Given all that he’s achieved in recent memory, I’d be doing him and the PR an incredible disservice if I put him at anywhere but #1." Flash is in both finals, for the second time in a row. Sometimes I don't understand how people think. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
Flash stumbled last season but it made him stronger. I think he almost even felt "what? I made both finals after underachieving for nearly two years?". This time he's ready, and Jaedong has kindly done his part and returned to the finals as well. This time Flash is going to win both leagues, and there'll be no debate. Or so I hope! | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 20 2010 21:43 arbiter_md wrote: The only way Flash can beat JD in finals, is through mind games. He needs 3 openings with good build order advantages. What? Last finals JD beat flash becuase he had the better builds. If they have equal good openings it will be really great. Korean commentators said this in a recent interview: - You need a build order advantage against Flash. There is no real way of beating Flash without it. Jaedong has shown this recently, keeping up with Terran's transitions and transitioning himself and overwhelming the Terran with Army. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 20 2010 21:50 StylishVODs wrote: What? Last finals JD beat flash becuase he had the better builds. If they have equal good openings it will be really great. Korean commentators said this in a recent interview: - You need a build order advantage against Flash. There is no real way of beating Flash without it. Jaedong has shown this recently, keeping up with Terran's transitions and transitioning himself and overwhelming the Terran with Army. there are no equal openings in tvz | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
When you're deciding these things you need to look at all aspects of the player, how they won the games they did, how they did in all leagues, and how they have been doing since the beginning of the month and even a bit before. Unless Flash loses both finals, I really don't see how you could justify him dropping to #2. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 20 2010 21:57 StylishVODs wrote: yes there are, go 1rax FE vs 12hatch -> pool and you have equal openings. rofl, zerg is way behind when he goes 12hatch vs rax fe, its just zergs dont have any other choice to open the game lol calling rax fe vs 12hatch even haha | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Note I am not saying you are wrong, just critical of your offhanded dismissal of his, admittedly lacking in detail point. | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On May 20 2010 23:50 WWJDD wrote: Jaedong is at his peak and one would say age-wise just about getting to the other side. Flash is just beginning to peak. We'll know if we are transitioning from the Dong era to the Flash era if Flash wins this. My money is on JD. Haha. Of course it is. Just look at your fucking account name... + Show Spoiler + Sorry, just had to do this. If you want to be taken seriously, I'd really recommend to change your name//create a new account. You see, in this forum even a team logo in your signature is enough to be labeled "rabid fanboy". | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 20 2010 22:36 SuperArc wrote: rofl, zerg is way behind when he goes 12hatch vs rax fe, its just zergs dont have any other choice to open the game lol calling rax fe vs 12hatch even haha You are wrong. I've played alot of TvZ. I play on A- level vs both iccup and the best zergs of sweden on a regular basis. These are the two most standard openings of the matchup. If you ever watch a game where these openings occur and you say that terran has the opening advantage you know very little about starcraft. You can claim that terran has advantage over zerg by using statistics such as tvz 52% in shinhan proleague 2009-2010. But thats very vague. Edit: The fact that you say "way behind" is enough for me to know that you know very little of what you're talking about. | ||
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