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Power Rank 05/03/2010 - Page 21

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11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 21:10:39
May 14 2010 20:58 GMT
#401
nevermind
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 22:13:45
May 14 2010 21:57 GMT
#402
(Z)EffOrt just jumped 7 places in the ELO rankings, from #10 to #3. He is now at his ZvP peak.

And EffOrt had a case for the back end of the PR last month (I would've put him over great, MVP, and maybe Sea) but what he really was looking like at the time was a potential PR candidate for the next rank, as he was a favorite against Kal, and had won several in a row at that time. Everything has turned out well for him, and he's a likely top 5 for the next month's rank unless he gets absolutely wrecked by Flash (trust me, won't happen) or fails in proleague (also unlikely).

Potential drama-storms in the next two weeks:
- CJ plays KT this week. I'm sure both teams would rather their OSL finalists don't meet, which means they might not be played, or also that they may accidentally meet each other. If they do meet, both players will play ultra-standard, and both will be on cheese watch. At the same time, CJ will possibly try to get HydrA against Flash, and KT will probably try to match forGG against EffOrt.

Expect EffOrt on either Match Point or Fighting Spirit, and Flash on Polaris Rhapsody.

- Calm and Jaedong play next week, a match-up that Jaedong is almost universally presumed to win. This assessment is a vast over simplification. I don't like Calm very much, mostly as a rival to EffOrt, but he's among the elite second tier of zergs, and has beaten Jaedong before, and could easily do it again.

How does the calculus change if Calm plays Flash? (Aside from making MSL executives cry fat salty tears.)
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
May 14 2010 22:48 GMT
#403
calm is a very smart and wily player, especially in zvz but i don't think he has what it takes to beat jaedong in a bo5. jaedong's multitasking and decision making are unparalleled in this matchup

TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #49
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 14 2010 23:12 GMT
#404
though jaedong is definitely a favorite vs. calm, you can't just ignore that calm beat him in a bo5 ... when jaedong was in his prime JvZ era. I want jaedong to win, but i'd really only give him maybe a 60% chance to win.
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Captain Mayhem
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden774 Posts
May 14 2010 23:19 GMT
#405
Jaedong better win that. I'm an anti-fan of him, but I want Flash to be the one to kick his ass, not Calm.
Gravity is just a theory anyway.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
May 14 2010 23:20 GMT
#406
Jaedong isn't going to lose a bo5 in ZvZ when he's only in one league, there's just no way. Calm's chances of winning realistically are less than 1%.
BW forever || Thall
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 14 2010 23:33 GMT
#407
lol "trust me, won't happen" somehow i actually don't trust your judgment as objective regarding effort tree.hugger
lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
May 15 2010 02:31 GMT
#408
calm won in msl when jaedong was busy with getting ready to 3-0 yarnc in osl
granted, it was the same matchup and a similar map pool, but let's be realistic. osl > msl
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #49
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 05:21:09
May 15 2010 05:20 GMT
#409
It seems odd that some jaedongfans are eager to come to the conclusion that being in both leagues drasically affected the outcome of jaedong vs calm, while not being so eager to accept the same concept for flash vs jaedong in last msl or this for that matter.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 15 2010 05:51 GMT
#410
On May 15 2010 14:20 StylishVODs wrote:
It seems odd that some jaedongfans are eager to come to the conclusion that being in both leagues drasically affected the outcome of jaedong vs calm, while not being so eager to accept the same concept for flash vs jaedong in last msl or this for that matter.

Well getting into both leagues obviously isn't hard since Flash has done it twice!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 15 2010 06:25 GMT
#411
On May 15 2010 08:33 o[twist] wrote:
lol "trust me, won't happen" somehow i actually don't trust your judgment as objective regarding effort tree.hugger


I think (Z)EffOrt's a baller and all that, but I was more thinking of CJ's preparation with is usually top-notch.

And know that I'm a huge EffOrt fan, but I know the difference between reality and my rose-tinted fan glasses. EffOrt is no slouch, everyone should agree on that, and what with the time for preparation, the nature of the match-up, and the fact that he has been known to posses S-class ZvT, I can't imagine (T)Flash will be able to coast like he did against our good-but-not-great protoss friends, Free and Pure.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 15 2010 06:36 GMT
#412
flash went 5-1 against calm and jaedong last osl - gonna go ahead and say flash v. effort is likely to look a LOT v. free or v. pure. also, i can't help but lol at the idea that free and pure are "good-but-not-great" next to the mammoth player that is effort

also and more importantly for power-rank purposes, lol sea
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 15 2010 06:47 GMT
#413
reach for close and yes cigar

just because he is so incredibly manly
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Lazerbeems
Profile Joined May 2010
151 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 07:09:28
May 15 2010 07:05 GMT
#414
On May 15 2010 15:25 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2010 08:33 o[twist] wrote:
lol "trust me, won't happen" somehow i actually don't trust your judgment as objective regarding effort tree.hugger


I think (Z)EffOrt's a baller and all that, but I was more thinking of CJ's preparation with is usually top-notch.

And know that I'm a huge EffOrt fan, but I know the difference between reality and my rose-tinted fan glasses. EffOrt is no slouch, everyone should agree on that, and what with the time for preparation, the nature of the match-up, and the fact that he has been known to posses S-class ZvT, I can't imagine (T)Flash will be able to coast like he did against our good-but-not-great protoss friends, Free and Pure.


Effort should put up pretty good fight, like Calm did, but I really don't expect it to be too close. It definitely won't be as painful to watch as Free vs Flash or as boring as Pure vs Flash but I expect Flash to be in control for the whole time.

Even in his prime he didn't do fantastic against a depressed Flash, that carried a whole team and a bit more on his back. Unless Effort got substantially better than before, which could be possible, I'm expecting 3-0 or 3-1 seeing how much Flash has actually improved in macro, micro, game sense and most importantly multitasking.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 15 2010 07:23 GMT
#415
I like Effort but he's about to get massacred. Effort relies too much on his ability to be all over the map. Take that game vs Fantasy. At one point he's defending his nat (4 dark swarms and a plague), defending his 3rd (dark swarm and a plague) and defending the nat of the 11 base (dark swarm). That shit is amazing and ridiculous, but you can't ride that to overcome Flash. Effort needs to be able to survive Flash's midgame and come out in good shape in order to even have a chance at a management war against Flash and I have a tough time seeing that happening.

Calm vs JD should be interesting, but I suspect that only a Flash vs JD final would mean anything.

It's really early still, but thinks are sort of shaping up to the point where unless wild things happen, the next month's PR will be somewhat predictable.

Next months PR:
1. Flash (duh)
2. Jaedong (most likely unless he utterly flops for the rest of the month)
3. Effort (?)
4-5. Kal
Calm will probably fit in the ranking, but I think it will depend a lot on the rest of the month as to where, as high as 4 or as low as not even in the rankings.
5-7. Baby, Midas
6-10. Candidates thus far seem to be: Leta, Hyuk, Iris ????

On watch (at this point, looking at proleague results): s2, Zero, Roro (on a tear this round), Shine (also on a tear), Flying, Action, ???
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 15 2010 07:41 GMT
#416
agreed mortality.

i'm a huge baby fan so that will affect this but right now i kind of think it should be
1. flash
2. jaedong
3. effort
4. baby
5. calm
6. kal
7. free
8. midas
9. leta
10. hyuk
cbnc: iris, roro, flying, action
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 15 2010 07:56 GMT
#417
well free just lost his spot imo
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 15 2010 09:01 GMT
#418
Agreed. I like Free but he's completely fallen apart recently. Not entirely unexpected I guess. It seems like every time he's on the brink of breaking out, he collapses to mediocrity.

Well, that's overstating it, but the point is that I've been following him since before he was a big name (his PvZ really impressed me the very first time I saw it) and he's made a habit out of never being able to stabilize.

I'd also hesitate before putting Baby so high unless he keeps up for the rest of the month and Kal and Calm don't.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 15 2010 09:03 GMT
#419
On May 15 2010 16:41 o[twist] wrote:
agreed mortality.

i'm a huge baby fan so that will affect this but right now i kind of think it should be
1. flash
2. jaedong
3. effort
4. baby
5. calm
6. kal
7. free
8. midas
9. leta
10. hyuk
cbnc: iris, roro, flying, action

I don't think so. The finals will be played this month, and Flash will win them both. The next Power Rank will be Flash from 1-10.
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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 09:29:11
May 15 2010 09:23 GMT
#420
On May 15 2010 14:20 StylishVODs wrote:
It seems odd that some jaedongfans are eager to come to the conclusion that being in both leagues drasically affected the outcome of jaedong vs calm, while not being so eager to accept the same concept for flash vs jaedong in last msl or this for that matter.


Jaedong met Calm and Fantasy on consecutive days, while Flash had 6 days between Movie and Jaedong (compared to 7 for Jaedong). I accept that it had some impact that Jaedong had a little more time to practice than Flash, but there is a pretty big difference. Of course, Flash had a similar situation this season and he handled it fine (though he met MVP and Pure instead of the #2/3 Zerg and the #1/2 Terran).

And for this Final he will have a full week to Practice compared to 9 days for Jaedong, but at that point I doubt it has any real significance.
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