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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:55 J1.au wrote: You assume Flash can only practice with team-mates. He's the best player in the world, what zerg (excluding Jaedong and Effort) would refuse practice with him? They want to get better to you know. and you assume practicing with other teams is so easy | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
nobody is really performing besides a few consistent players (maybe only two) and a changing set of promising noobs | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: and you assume practicing with other teams is so easy ... they have internet in Korea right? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:56 o[twist] wrote: yup, "completely different play styles" indeed jaedong's style effort's style What are you trying to say? EffOrt was slumping, so what? That doesn't mean he can't ZvT when he brings his A-Game. And Jaedong's ZvT since the start of this year hasn't been looking exactly stellar either, if you actually look at the games and not just the winning percentage. It starts with the totally fucked up finals against Flash, which whatever you may think about them can't be taken as an example of Jaedong's "awesome" ZvT skills. It goes on with some pretty bad losses against BaBy, Darkelf & Ruby with some unspectacular wins in-between and finishes off with a very very(...) disappointing performance by Midas(except for the first game in the series). To make it clear, I'm not saying EffOrt's ZvT is better or even as good as Jaedong's. What I'm saying is just that when they bring their A-Game they're both good at ZvT and they both have different styles. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Flash fighting!!! | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On May 14 2010 21:22 o[twist] wrote: i like this "different styles" stuff cj has come up with re: jaedong. great lesson in relativism. 5 titles, dominant player for a year plus? "different style" than guy who is like 26% vT this year. superarc says there's JvZ and EvZ because they have "different styles." there's no real evidence effort has an A-Game to bring against terran. Ya I'm not agreeing with SuperArc's EvZ thing either. But why shouldn't EffOrt have an A-Game to bring? He's still ~57% ZvT despite his 26% performance this year, which means there was a time he was damn good at ZvT or in other words, there was a time when he showed us his ZvT A-Game. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that he will bring his A-Game in the finals, but he does have one somewhere. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =( This is kind of misleading. Almost every player on this rank was in a league and only four people can advance to the finals (well, 3 with Flash around). The rank was particularly bad except for Sea. Wait, what? Sea was about the least justifiable pick last month, and he's been bad since. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Liquipedia doesn't have it and I am too lazy to find out. I think Flash's "weakness" in bo5s are zergs, right? | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On May 14 2010 22:08 SuperArc wrote: How is Flash's Bo5 record btw? Liquipedia doesn't have it and I am too lazy to find out. I think Flash's "weakness" in bo5s are zergs, right? No, only Jaedong. Won against Calm, Kwanro, July (if you count GOM), lost against GGPlay. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2300 Posts
The worst day for SC ever. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =( Unfortunately this is true. But I hope that Flash will prepare different starts for OSL and MSL. In the end the map pool is different and also Flash hasn't played TvZ for ages so he must have some aces in his sleeve. But it would be good for him if Jaedong plays lots of ZvTs in proleague especially in the ace games when there is a pressure to win so he has to show everything he has. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 15 2010 00:38 Lebesgue wrote: Unfortunately this is true. But I hope that Flash will prepare different starts for OSL and MSL. In the end the map pool is different and also Flash hasn't played TvZ for ages so he must have some aces in his sleeve. But it would be good for him if Jaedong plays lots of ZvTs in proleague especially in the ace games when there is a pressure to win so he has to show everything he has. Oz final three matches are vs CJ, estro, MBC. MBC is the only team with good TvZ terrans. Flash on the other hand has to play vs CJ, estro and Hite. CJ and estro are pretty zerg heavy. Even Pl games are against Flash. He will certainly be God Young Ho if he manages to win both finals. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 15 2010 01:59 SuperArc wrote: Oz final three matches are vs CJ, estro, MBC. MBC is the only team with good TvZ terrans. Flash on the other hand has to play vs CJ, estro and Hite. CJ and estro are pretty zerg heavy. Even Pl games are against Flash. He will certainly be God Young Ho if he manages to win both finals. Well, he's actually God Young Ho just for getting there two times in a row. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
while flash only has to play backho! | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:13 o[twist] wrote: ok i dont mean to beat a dead horse but lets look at how the power rank has done so far in may 1. Flash: 12-1 (obviously no issues there) 2. Jaedong: 7-0 (same) 3. Kal: + Show Spoiler + 5-4 (not really #3 play and neither winner was on power rank) 4. Midas: 2-2 (but showed poor play against jaedong) 5. Sea: 0-2 (neither player was on power rank) 6. Baby: 3-1 (loss against guemchi but showed solid play vs. hyun and TvT seems strong) 7. Free: 4-5 (weak 0-3 v. flash, kinda weak 3-1 v. hiya, win against lomo, loss against kal) 8. Great: 3-6 (2-2 v. calm, beat hoejja, lost to stats, lost to jaedong effort and action) 9. MVP: 0-4 (0-3 v. flash and loss to midas) 10. Hiya: 2-5 (beat fbh, lost to fantasy, 1-3 v. free, lost to guemchi) in other words, 4-10 on power rank went 14-25 so far this month. that is some poor choices. and it wasn't hard to avoid. a little realism regarding your favorite players. a little perspective on inconsistent, streaky, and new players. a little respect for the players who have shown they can compete at high levels. this is really a pretty weak ranking, and i think most will agree that it looks less, not more, reasonable after the month is halfway through. nice one but its still knowing after it happens most of those guys were put in the pr for reaching high levels its only natural for them to meet the highest progamers and as it was pointed out flash and jaedong are at another level of their own. beside who would you have put in the pr instead everyone is doing bad aside the #1/2 the only true surprise was effort vs kal and i wouldnt have put effort instead of kal especially not after that tie breaker! | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =( This is kind of misleading. Almost every player on this rank was in a league and only four people can advance to the finals (well, 3 with Flash around). The rank was particularly bad except for Sea. It's at least a better situation than last MSL finals. 50%+ of Flash's games last individual season were TvZ, JD had all the games in the world to go to school off of for the last finals. | ||
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