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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4755 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 20:09:11
May 13 2010 20:08 GMT
#361
On May 14 2010 04:32 Plexa wrote:
As amazing as Flash is playing right now, if Kal beats effort and doesn't choke in the final - Flash vs Kal has the potential to be the best PvT final since Boxer vs Anytime. Indeed, it has the potential to be the best final since Jaedong vs Fantasy. (Jaedong vs Flash was quite a lame final imo).


Given Kals record against Flash (1-5) and JD (3-13), I have no hope that he can touch any of them in a Bo5, and believe that he will choke (even if it is just in the finals). But of course he is by far the best protoss right now, so there is hope that he can put up a fight.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 13 2010 20:13 GMT
#362
Flash is the final boss.
If you want a title, you must defeat Flash in the finals!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 13 2010 20:40 GMT
#363
On May 14 2010 05:08 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 04:32 Plexa wrote:
As amazing as Flash is playing right now, if Kal beats effort and doesn't choke in the final - Flash vs Kal has the potential to be the best PvT final since Boxer vs Anytime. Indeed, it has the potential to be the best final since Jaedong vs Fantasy. (Jaedong vs Flash was quite a lame final imo).


Given Kals record against Flash (1-5) and JD (3-13), I have no hope that he can touch any of them in a Bo5, and believe that he will choke (even if it is just in the finals). But of course he is by far the best protoss right now, so there is hope that he can put up a fight.
Stop looking at records and start looking at games. If we have a 3-0 series where every game is as close as their first encounter I will be a happy man.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4755 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 21:37:49
May 13 2010 21:25 GMT
#364
On May 14 2010 05:40 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 05:08 Malinor wrote:
On May 14 2010 04:32 Plexa wrote:
As amazing as Flash is playing right now, if Kal beats effort and doesn't choke in the final - Flash vs Kal has the potential to be the best PvT final since Boxer vs Anytime. Indeed, it has the potential to be the best final since Jaedong vs Fantasy. (Jaedong vs Flash was quite a lame final imo).


Given Kals record against Flash (1-5) and JD (3-13), I have no hope that he can touch any of them in a Bo5, and believe that he will choke (even if it is just in the finals). But of course he is by far the best protoss right now, so there is hope that he can put up a fight.
Stop looking at records and start looking at games. If we have a 3-0 series where every game is as close as their first encounter I will be a happy man.


I will tell you what I think because of watching games. Kal is a massive choker and will choke again. Actually, his constant choking in important games inspired me to look up their records in the first place. If he proves me wrong, you can call me out on it for eternity, since I like Kal, I would be a happy man regardless.

3-0 with three close games won't make me a happy man actually, but that's just a difference in taste.

edit: edited out a cheap shot.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
May 13 2010 21:43 GMT
#365
I can't wait to see next month's power ranking, right after all the starleague finals. It's going to be absolutely epic =) hope you're preparing your brain juice & writing skills Plexa, you've got quite a PR coming!
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 14 2010 05:24 GMT
#366
On May 14 2010 05:13 StylishVODs wrote:
Flash is the final boss.
If you want a title, you must defeat Flash in the finals!

Reminds me of Federer. Dude always in Grand Slam Final.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8072 Posts
May 14 2010 11:05 GMT
#367
Kalllllllllllllllllllllllllll just got rocked. :O
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:12:07
May 14 2010 11:10 GMT
#368
Kal PvZ 56%, when you take out Effort, Jaedong and Zero it's 69%.

Oh and CJ gets its third silver in a row.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:19:58
May 14 2010 11:12 GMT
#369
Kal is such a choker. =F

Effort is gonna need a lot of luck to beat Flash. I'm guessing a 3-1 win for Flash where Effort takes one game due to a lucky BO win.

Hmm, Match Point is played twice. =/ That's not good.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 14 2010 11:13 GMT
#370
ok i dont mean to beat a dead horse but lets look at how the power rank has done so far in may
1. Flash: 12-1 (obviously no issues there)
2. Jaedong: 7-0 (same)
3. Kal: + Show Spoiler +
5-4 (not really #3 play and neither winner was on power rank)

4. Midas: 2-2 (but showed poor play against jaedong)
5. Sea: 0-2 (neither player was on power rank)
6. Baby: 3-1 (loss against guemchi but showed solid play vs. hyun and TvT seems strong)
7. Free: 4-5 (weak 0-3 v. flash, kinda weak 3-1 v. hiya, win against lomo, loss against kal)
8. Great: 3-6 (2-2 v. calm, beat hoejja, lost to stats, lost to jaedong effort and action)
9. MVP: 0-4 (0-3 v. flash and loss to midas)
10. Hiya: 2-5 (beat fbh, lost to fantasy, 1-3 v. free, lost to guemchi)

in other words, 4-10 on power rank went 14-25 so far this month.

that is some poor choices. and it wasn't hard to avoid. a little realism regarding your favorite players. a little perspective on inconsistent, streaky, and new players. a little respect for the players who have shown they can compete at high levels. this is really a pretty weak ranking, and i think most will agree that it looks less, not more, reasonable after the month is halfway through.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:30:47
May 14 2010 11:30 GMT
#371
(Z)EffOrt has been doing well versus Terran this year! I'm sure looking forward to the OSL finals.

Let's put him high on the Power Rank to.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:33:46
May 14 2010 11:31 GMT
#372
Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =(

On May 14 2010 20:13 o[twist] wrote:
ok i dont mean to beat a dead horse but lets look at how the power rank has done so far in may
1. Flash: 12-1 (obviously no issues there)
2. Jaedong: 7-0 (same)
3. Kal: + Show Spoiler +
5-4 (not really #3 play and neither winner was on power rank)

4. Midas: 2-2 (but showed poor play against jaedong)
5. Sea: 0-2 (neither player was on power rank)
6. Baby: 3-1 (loss against guemchi but showed solid play vs. hyun and TvT seems strong)
7. Free: 4-5 (weak 0-3 v. flash, kinda weak 3-1 v. hiya, win against lomo, loss against kal)
8. Great: 3-6 (2-2 v. calm, beat hoejja, lost to stats, lost to jaedong effort and action)
9. MVP: 0-4 (0-3 v. flash and loss to midas)
10. Hiya: 2-5 (beat fbh, lost to fantasy, 1-3 v. free, lost to guemchi)

in other words, 4-10 on power rank went 14-25 so far this month.

that is some poor choices. and it wasn't hard to avoid. a little realism regarding your favorite players. a little perspective on inconsistent, streaky, and new players. a little respect for the players who have shown they can compete at high levels. this is really a pretty weak ranking, and i think most will agree that it looks less, not more, reasonable after the month is halfway through.


This is kind of misleading. Almost every player on this rank was in a league and only four people can advance to the finals (well, 3 with Flash around). The rank was particularly bad except for Sea.
Remember Violet.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 14 2010 11:40 GMT
#373
On May 14 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =(

Ya, I would've preferred if Flash had played vs Kal in the final. JD is so smart in his preparation, if he can sniff up any hint of what Flash is gonna do vs him then it's gonna be tough for the Ultimate Weapon.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 14 2010 11:40 GMT
#374
you might be right. anyway, effort and calm definitely should have been in the power rank. sea being as high as he was was definitely a mistake, as was, i think, the presence of great and mvp.

the point is that there are people on the power rank who we don't really expect to beat people who aren't on the power rank. i get that it's an odd situation with a good deal of parity below the top two performers, but i seriously do not think that the power rank last month communicated anything meaningful.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
May 14 2010 11:47 GMT
#375
On May 07 2010 09:47 DracoVolantus wrote:
PR shouldn't be such a rollcaster imho.
It could be avoided by not making so important how far sb is in individual by luck.


so full agree with o[twist].

Effort was on 6 wins streak entering may,
and was rookie of 2009 not by accident,
why is he not on PR?

(I'm one of few effort-despite-slump-fans)

And I would put Zero and Fantasy #9 and #10 (random order) in every PR, score doesn't matter :D
EX CATHEDRA!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 14 2010 11:47 GMT
#376
On May 14 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =(


I'd imagine (Z)Jaedong's and (Z)EffOrt's best practice partners would be (T)fantasy and (T)BaBy. The problem, of course, is that fantasy has a whole different style than Flash does, but he's still the second best terran in a BoX.

The other question is; who does Flash prepare with? He worked with EffOrt for last season's MSL.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 14 2010 11:49 GMT
#377
kt zergs, yarnc, kwanro, zero, type-b, action, and the loser of calm v. jaedong
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 14 2010 11:51 GMT
#378
On May 14 2010 20:47 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =(


I'd imagine (Z)Jaedong's and (Z)EffOrt's best practice partners would be (T)fantasy and (T)BaBy. The problem, of course, is that fantasy has a whole different style than Flash does, but he's still the second best terran in a BoX.

The other question is; who does Flash prepare with? He worked with EffOrt for last season's MSL.


Jaedong is going to prepare for Hiya, he has always practiced with his team for finals. He's not the kind of player who likes giving out replays I think.

Effort has Iris to play against who according to Hydra? is still beasting in practice. And CJ players always have some weird strategies in BoXs. Never underestimate their coaching staff.

But yeah I asked this question a week ago too, who is Flash going to prepare with for Jaedong and Effort? Two completely different play styles.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 14 2010 11:55 GMT
#379
On May 14 2010 20:51 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:47 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Best case scenario for Jaedong incoming. If Flash wants a golden mouse he's gonna have to pull out all of his stops for Effort, exposing himself greatly for Jaedong. If only there were a second terran that was even mediocre in a Bo5 that Jaedong could play. =(


I'd imagine (Z)Jaedong's and (Z)EffOrt's best practice partners would be (T)fantasy and (T)BaBy. The problem, of course, is that fantasy has a whole different style than Flash does, but he's still the second best terran in a BoX.

The other question is; who does Flash prepare with? He worked with EffOrt for last season's MSL.


Jaedong is going to prepare for Hiya, he has always practiced with his team for finals. He's not the kind of player who likes giving out replays I think.

Effort has Iris to play against who according to Hydra? is still beasting in practice. And CJ players always have some weird strategies in BoXs. Never underestimate their coaching staff.

But yeah I asked this question a week ago too, who is Flash going to prepare with for Jaedong and Effort? Two completely different play styles.

You assume Flash can only practice with team-mates. He's the best player in the world, what zerg (excluding Jaedong and Effort) would refuse practice with him? They want to get better to you know.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 14 2010 11:56 GMT
#380
yup, "completely different play styles" indeed
jaedong's style
effort's style
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