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DavidCanFly
Profile Joined November 2009
United States35 Posts
May 12 2010 04:26 GMT
#321
T_T Zero.. Kwanro noooo :[
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
May 12 2010 06:22 GMT
#322
On May 11 2010 19:01 Elroi wrote:

Yeah.. that's fair! compare Flash’s best winrate ever over 100 games vs JD’s overall career stats just after coming out of a slump. You know, why don’t you just compare their league wins: JD has to win 2.5 SL’s for every one that Flash wins. Do you know how difficult that is?! You can roughly say that JD is three times better than Flash!

I’m ofc being sarcastic, JD has a long long way to go to catch up to Flash right now. But that’s not a reason to post stats like that.


I was using the stats from this Proleague season that Mooncat provided:

Flash 51 wins - 7 losses

Jaedong 38 wins - 18 losses


This is a representative sample of their recent performance, don't you think?
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
May 12 2010 06:28 GMT
#323
And for all you jokers criticizing my post, you aren't getting the point. The point isn't that Flash is 3x better than jaedong in some absolute sense, but that he is performing 3x better in proleague (obviously, general starcraft "goodness" has to take into account things like performing in boX in leagues, ability to handle pressure, etc.)

It _is_ 3x harder to maintain a 90% winrate than it is a 70% winrate.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 09:39:47
May 12 2010 09:39 GMT
#324
Yeah i don't think people (i hope not) actually thought you said he was 3x better in terms of skill
And I think those stats are pretty representative so far, however it's changing now since Jaedong is starting to win everything again.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10550 Posts
May 12 2010 23:45 GMT
#325
the only way for flash to be toppled, is for him to break a hand (his right so he cant maneuver the mouse) and for jaedong to suddenly break out and thrash like savior did. if he cant do that, then flash will stay on that list for a long time. really, the only players well deserving on that list is flash, jaedong, and maybe kal. if effort beats kal to advance into the finals vs flash, and flash beats him soundly, then jaedong will have to watch out. effort isnt one to be taken lightly.
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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 04:41:28
May 13 2010 04:41 GMT
#326
Top 10 half way through the month?

Flash
Jaedong(2 wins over ZerO and over Fantasy and great)
Kal
free(doing pretty damn good recently)
Midas(maybe put effort and calm before Midas and BaBy)
BaBy(Lost to Guemchi but strong other than that)
Effort(on a tear)
Calm(back to form?)
RorO(where did he come from?)
Lomo(>Stork and Bisu? wtf?)
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 13 2010 04:46 GMT
#327
On May 13 2010 13:41 Shotcoder wrote:
Lomo(>Stork and Bisu? wtf?)


well obviously they're slumping!

also roro... lol?
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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
May 13 2010 04:53 GMT
#328
On May 13 2010 13:46 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 13:41 Shotcoder wrote:
Lomo(>Stork and Bisu? wtf?)


well obviously they're slumping!

also roro... lol?


I don't care if Bisu and Stork are slumping....it's Lomo.....And since late April he's 3-2 losing to Flash and free. And there's a lot of people who could grab the 10th spot... Action, Really, Shuttle, great, Reach, Iris, HyuN, the list goes on of mediocre players who are doing well so far in may.

and Yes RorO, he's already beaten Jaehoon, Yellow, ZerO and PuMa this month. And really he should have lost that game vs Jaehoon.

Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
May 13 2010 05:00 GMT
#329
Sea's gonna have to do a lot of work to stay on the PR... he hasn't picked up the ball where he dropped it last PR

If Flash loses the OSL in some fluke and gets destroyed by JD, I hope JD will be back to his #1 spot where he belongs >:D

... but its not gonna happen :'( I can see the golden mouse in flash's hands already

hoping to see JD vs Flash msl finals!
Hey! Listen!
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
May 13 2010 05:54 GMT
#330
Lol! If Jaedong goes 8 more games of not facing Protoss then his entire first page will consist of nothing but Zerg and Terran!
this is my quote.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 13 2010 06:03 GMT
#331
Bisu and Stork...

Bisu always says the maps suck for protoss. But when Stork starts saying the map sucks. Then we have a problem. Really wish that Bisu and Stork can make a comeback soon since they are the most dominant Protoss of all times (maybe include Nalra in there).
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
May 13 2010 07:37 GMT
#332
On May 13 2010 15:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
Bisu and Stork...

Bisu always says the maps suck for protoss. But when Stork starts saying the map sucks. Then we have a problem. Really wish that Bisu and Stork can make a comeback soon since they are the most dominant Protoss of all times (maybe include Nalra in there).

Is Bisu wrong when he claims the maps suck for Protoss? If memory serves, the original complaint was about Tears of the Moon, which was in fact grossly imbalanced Z>>P due to the open natural and 8-mineral main.

Which maps did he wrongfully claim were bad for Protoss?
My strategy is to fork people.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 13 2010 08:54 GMT
#333
On May 13 2010 15:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
Bisu and Stork...

Bisu always says the maps suck for protoss. But when Stork starts saying the map sucks. Then we have a problem. Really wish that Bisu and Stork can make a comeback soon since they are the most dominant Protoss of all times (maybe include Nalra in there).


Bisu's and Stork's losses haven't come from map's fault at all. It's their horrible decision making.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 13 2010 10:01 GMT
#334
+ Show Spoiler +
you know it's kind of sad because free v. jaedong is one of the best PvZ matchups, if not the very best, in modern play
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 13 2010 10:34 GMT
#335
Get free out of the PR please.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
May 13 2010 10:39 GMT
#336
what shall we do here ? its just not fair to have anyone on #2 place.. And reading flash description makes me think he is not given enough credit for what he is currently doing

One ring, to rule them all!
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 13 2010 10:41 GMT
#337
On May 13 2010 19:34 SuperArc wrote:
Get free out of the PR please.


lol people will be saying that no matter who flash's opponent is.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8082 Posts
May 13 2010 10:46 GMT
#338
#1-9 Flash
#10 Jaedong

CBNC
ForGG

Obviously.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 13 2010 11:10 GMT
#339
On May 13 2010 19:39 Samurai- wrote:
what shall we do here ? its just not fair to have anyone on #2 place.. And reading flash description makes me think he is not given enough credit for what he is currently doing


Nope #2 is Jaedong.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 13 2010 11:15 GMT
#340
So; Flash 3-0's one of the strongest P's out there in roughly an hour (using Firebats in one game) and by doing so he reaches CONSECUTIVE DUAL FINALS! WAAAAAH, THIS IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL!

Oh, did I mention that he also broke the ELO peaks both overall and vP?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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