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in a kind of obliquely related point, i was just rereading the power rank where flash got put on CBNC last year. lolololol
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
hahahahahahahaha in a kind of obliquely related point, i was just rereading the power rank where flash got put on CBNC last year. lolololol | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I hope he will continue to perform though. On May 11 2010 19:01 Elroi wrote: Yeah.. that's fair! compare Flash’s best winrate ever over 100 games vs JD’s overall career stats just after coming out of a slump. You know, why don’t you just compare their league wins: JD has to win 2.5 SL’s for every one that Flash wins. Do you know how difficult that is?! You can roughly say that JD is three times better than Flash! I’m ofc being sarcastic, JD has a long long way to go to catch up to Flash right now. But that’s not a reason to post stats like that. Yeah the stats he used was abit misleading, however the point he was making was legit. This year Jaedong has 70% and Flash 80%. The point is saying jaedong has 40wins and 50wins isn't doing the players justice. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 11 2010 20:36 StylishVODs wrote: SuperArc, Even though I agree that Effort is playing well vs zergs again, you can't throw out titles of "Player"v"Race" like that. They have to be earned! I hope he will continue to perform though. It wasn't me who invented the term EvZ? Sheesh it's like I am the cause for anything you guys don't like... | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
hm ok I fail then T_T figured he was talking about career win rate because thats 68% as well. still you can change the numbers of games to review and they will probably in any case make the difference between jaedong and flash smaller than the 68 to 88% And to say that Flash is "3 times better" than jaedong because he loses a third of the games is pretty stupid imo. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 11 2010 20:37 SuperArc wrote: It wasn't me who invented the term EvZ? Sheesh it's like I am the cause for anything you guys don't like... I wasn't trying to be offensive, just pointing out my oppinion. Sorry then:/ I never heard EvZ before... | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 11 2010 20:31 o[twist] wrote: hahahahahahahaha in a kind of obliquely related point, i was just rereading the power rank where flash got put on CBNC last year. lolololol That was so bad. Don't remind me. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Jaedong is on a roll lately, he will rise up i think. Flash has alot better record over this year so far but I hope Jaedong can catch up for an epic rivalry. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 11 2010 20:46 StylishVODs wrote: Yeah if Flash was 3x better than jaedong he would wipe him like nothing, which ofcourse isn't true. However his performance this year have been ALOT better than jaedong. 80%>>70%... Jaedong is on a roll lately, he will rise up i think. Flash has alot better record over this year so far but I hope Jaedong can catch up for an epic rivalry. yeah I agree. Here's to hoping that this seasons msl finals will be much, much better than the last | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On May 11 2010 20:37 SuperArc wrote: It wasn't me who invented the term EvZ? Sheesh it's like I am the cause for anything you guys don't like... Gee, I like most of your posts, SuperArc, but when I saw "EvZ" I had the same reaction. Given at a time when Jaedong had an over-80% career win-rate in a match-up that seemed to be luck-based for everyone else, "JvZ" was a title of transcendence, implying that Jaedong's ZvZ was so different from everyone else's that it deserved to be in a category of its own. Once you start tossing phrases like that around lightly, you cheapen them. Effort's little win-streak does not remotely warrant a title such as "EvZ", and what's more, if it did, then we should just stop using those terms altogether and say that nowadays players have gotten better at the match-up. | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On May 11 2010 18:54 SuperArc wrote: We have both JvZ and EvZ back. :o Resurgence from swarm season? Sigh... | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
Stop reading between the lines everytime. Sometimes what a line means is all it says. | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
I fear that when somebody so much as mentions "Flash vs Jaedong, MSL finals rematch", I'll dehydrate from all the drooling. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On May 12 2010 06:34 WWJDD wrote: On an unrelated note, both Flash and Jaedong are on 8 game winning streaks. I fear that when somebody so much as mentions "Flash vs Jaedong, MSL finals rematch", I'll dehydrate from all the drooling. It's gonna happen. No ForGG this time around. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 12 2010 06:31 WWJDD wrote: I just wanted to point out that Jaedong had 40 wins and quite a few people consider him to be slumping. I wanted to point out the unreasonable expectations people have of JD and it brings the Flash fangirls out of the woodwork as if I had blasphemed their hero. Stop reading between the lines everytime. Sometimes what a line means is all it says. People considered Jaedong slumping, which he did for a few months. From february to mid march he had about 50% winratio, thats why. Now people don't think he's slumping anymore. He's back. and he's #2 on PR. So whats the point of poiting it out now? And if your name is WWJDD and you call other people "Flash fangirls" don't expect to be taken seriously. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 11 2010 21:24 qrs wrote: Gee, I like most of your posts, SuperArc, but when I saw "EvZ" I had the same reaction. Given at a time when Jaedong had an over-80% career win-rate in a match-up that seemed to be luck-based for everyone else, "JvZ" was a title of transcendence, implying that Jaedong's ZvZ was so different from everyone else's that it deserved to be in a category of its own. Once you start tossing phrases like that around lightly, you cheapen them. Effort's little win-streak does not remotely warrant a title such as "EvZ", and what's more, if it did, then we should just stop using those terms altogether and say that nowadays players have gotten better at the match-up. The term "EvZ" came from when  EffOrt was playing at 70% win percentage (Jaedong was playing at 80% at the time) and he had a vastly different style than JD. While Jaedong usually tried to play even or gain an advantage with zerglings, EffOrt played significantly more aggressively with his zerglings, and often sought to end the game with them. EffOrt rarely kept one army together and played with a ton of single/double ling harass and scouting. Jaedong beat you with fundamentals, EffOrt beat you with multi-tasking. Both had/have excellent ZvZ decision making. The typical EffOrt ZvZ is probably a twelve hatch into mass lings, and then mutas to clean up. Now that EffOrt is playing up to his prior ZvZ standards, it's probably legit to dust off the term again. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 06 2010 11:27 InTheFade wrote: I think Shine had that in December/January?EDIT: Nevermind, I think he was >50% vP... MVP might not be the first, my point still stands. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
80% is vastly superior to 70% and 70% winratio imo doesn't merrit such a title. But in the end it doesn't really matter to me, people will use terms loosely wether I like it or not. Just like the word Epic :/ | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 12 2010 08:02 tree.hugger wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2010 21:24 qrs wrote: Gee, I like most of your posts, SuperArc, but when I saw "EvZ" I had the same reaction. Given at a time when Jaedong had an over-80% career win-rate in a match-up that seemed to be luck-based for everyone else, "JvZ" was a title of transcendence, implying that Jaedong's ZvZ was so different from everyone else's that it deserved to be in a category of its own. Once you start tossing phrases like that around lightly, you cheapen them. Effort's little win-streak does not remotely warrant a title such as "EvZ", and what's more, if it did, then we should just stop using those terms altogether and say that nowadays players have gotten better at the match-up. The term "EvZ" came from when EffOrt was playing at 70% win percentage (Jaedong was playing at 80% at the time) and he had a vastly different style than JD. While Jaedong usually tried to play even or gain an advantage with zerglings, EffOrt played significantly more aggressively with his zerglings, and often sought to end the game with them. EffOrt rarely kept one army together and played with a ton of single/double ling harass and scouting. Jaedong beat you with fundamentals, EffOrt beat you with multi-tasking. Both had/have excellent ZvZ decision making. The typical EffOrt ZvZ is probably a twelve hatch into mass lings, and then mutas to clean up. Now that EffOrt is playing up to his prior ZvZ standards, it's probably legit to dust off the term again. Did you recently switch to having a CJ sign or am I imagining things? | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
On May 12 2010 08:02 tree.hugger wrote: The term "EvZ" came from when EffOrt was playing at 70% win percentage (Jaedong was playing at 80% at the time) and he had a vastly different style than JD. While Jaedong usually tried to play even or gain an advantage with zerglings, EffOrt played significantly more aggressively with his zerglings, and often sought to end the game with them. EffOrt rarely kept one army together and played with a ton of single/double ling harass and scouting. Jaedong beat you with fundamentals, EffOrt beat you with multi-tasking. Both had/have excellent ZvZ decision making. The typical EffOrt ZvZ is probably a twelve hatch into mass lings, and then mutas to clean up. Now that EffOrt is playing up to his prior ZvZ standards, it's probably legit to dust off the term again. The last time when Effort was playing around 70 percentage was in july 2009, when he had around 30-40 games played in total (25-11 on july 15 for a quick check on my part). If anyone ever used this term then he was just wrong. I guess people were sure that Effort would be the next big zerg after Jaedong, and since there was JvZ, during Efforts ridiculous streak (sth. like 26-2) someone came up with that term to compare him with the Dong. Anyway, I hope it never catches on. You don't make up those terms for describing a playstyle, you use them for utter domination. | ||
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