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On May 09 2010 04:21 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 03:30 Mooncat wrote:On May 09 2010 03:19 Djabanete wrote:On May 09 2010 03:13 Mooncat wrote:
Uhm... guys?
You know Jaedong is not in the finals yet right? Calm has beaten him once in a Bo5, he can do so again. Not to mention that JD's ZvZ looks far from invincible atm. I'm not saying he's not the favorite, but Jesus Christ ZvZ is so unpredictable, he's far from 100% in the finals yet.
I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. + Show Spoiler +You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player.
Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already. The thing is, it is unlikely for Jaedong to lose to Calm. Possible, but unlikely. I'm not acting as if Jaedong is already in the finals --- I'm merely pointing out that Jaedong is a huge favorite to beat Calm and that I'll be quite surprised if he fails to. In reponse to the part that I bolded --- I can think of at least 3 ZvZ Bo5's off the top of my head that Jaedong has won 3-0. Which 3? He swept  Fake Yellow in the Bacchus OSL final and hero in the semi-finals of the Batoo OSL. Calm beat him 3-1 in the semi-finals of the Avalon MSL.
What other ZvZ Bo5s has Jaedong played? (TLPD doesn't show any others.)
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On May 09 2010 03:36 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 03:30 Mooncat wrote:On May 09 2010 03:19 Djabanete wrote:On May 09 2010 03:13 Mooncat wrote:
Uhm... guys?
You know Jaedong is not in the finals yet right? Calm has beaten him once in a Bo5, he can do so again. Not to mention that JD's ZvZ looks far from invincible atm. I'm not saying he's not the favorite, but Jesus Christ ZvZ is so unpredictable, he's far from 100% in the finals yet.
I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player. Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already. Jaedong lost the series against Calm because at that time Jaedong went 12 hatch every game. And Calm fully abused it by going 9pool speed every game. Actually, Jaedong didn't go 12-hatch once in that series. Calm won the series with some very smart play and well-planned builds: give credit where it's due.
You were probably thinking of Jaedong vs. EffOrt in GOM, at around the same time.
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On May 10 2010 06:04 o[twist] wrote:
i think the question is
1. if free 3-0s flash (#1)
2. and if free 3-0s jaedong (#2)
3. and if flash also performs poorly in the OSL, let's say against an effort who previously 3-0d kal (#3),
would free then become #1?
i think the answer is it depends
If Free could do that then he probably would get #1. Hell, he would deserve #1. It would also be a serious blow to the bonjwa hype not only surrounding Flash, but that Jaedong has received in the past as well.
But let's be real: that's not happening. Although I think Free could manage to snipe either Flash or JD under the right conditions, sniping both of them? And not only that, sweeping them both 3-0? No way.
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I don't think BaBy should be that high up, and I could see Midas being a slot down as well, but pretty good PR and I agree with everything else.
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On May 10 2010 09:45 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 03:36 SuperArc wrote:On May 09 2010 03:30 Mooncat wrote:On May 09 2010 03:19 Djabanete wrote:On May 09 2010 03:13 Mooncat wrote:
Uhm... guys?
You know Jaedong is not in the finals yet right? Calm has beaten him once in a Bo5, he can do so again. Not to mention that JD's ZvZ looks far from invincible atm. I'm not saying he's not the favorite, but Jesus Christ ZvZ is so unpredictable, he's far from 100% in the finals yet.
I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player. Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already. Jaedong lost the series against Calm because at that time Jaedong went 12 hatch every game. And Calm fully abused it by going 9pool speed every game. Actually, Jaedong didn't go 12-hatch once in that series. Calm won the series with some very smart play and well-planned builds: give credit where it's due. You were probably thinking of Jaedong vs. EffOrt in GOM, at around the same time.
Nope, hes thinking of Effort vs Calm where calm went 9pool speed twice or thrice vs Effort who 12hatched all 3 games, needless to say it was hilarious
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My first reply what simply implying that it was crazy talk!
No need to actually "translate" it 
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On May 10 2010 06:16 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 03:07 n.DieJokes wrote:
If Free 3-0's FlaSh and then 3-0's Jaedong AND FlaSh loses in the OSL do you think free will be number one? If it snows in Sahara, do we call it polar climate?
best answer
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With JvZ back I don't see how Calm stands any chance.
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On May 10 2010 20:11 SuperArc wrote:With JvZ back I don't see how Calm stands any chance.
I wouldn't write him off completely. I think a 3-2 win by Jaedong is realistic.
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Things are starting to look like they did leading up to the last MSL final, complete domination from both Flash and Jaedong.
This could get epic 
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On May 10 2010 20:55 Cpadolf wrote:Things are starting to look like they did leading up to the last MSL final, complete domination from both Flash and Jaedong. This could get epic
Can you imagine a 3-2 final between them? I wouldn't even care who won.
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Making maybe a totally useless statement but if Flash hadn't lost one game to fantasy and focused more vs MVP who he clearly can beat without a sweat he would be on a 24 game winning streak.!
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On May 10 2010 22:00 StylishVODs wrote:
Making maybe a totally useless statement but if Flash hadn't lost one game to fantasy and focused more vs MVP who he clearly can beat without a sweat he would be on a 24 game winning streak.!
That's really useless. -_- That's like
Hey guys! You know if Jaedong hand't lost to Flash in the last OSL and beat him like in the MSL finals he would have raped Calm and Movie to get a fourth OSL! ...
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On May 10 2010 23:06 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 22:00 StylishVODs wrote:
Making maybe a totally useless statement but if Flash hadn't lost one game to fantasy and focused more vs MVP who he clearly can beat without a sweat he would be on a 24 game winning streak.! That's really useless. -_- That's like Hey guys! You know if Jaedong hand't lost to Flash in the last OSL and beat him like in the MSL finals he would have raped Calm and Movie to get a fourth OSL! ...
Sliiiiight exeggeration but I get the point... I even mentioned it.
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actually i didn't think it was useless. i considered making the same point - in the sense that i wanted to say, his silly loss to fantasy is the first one that lost a match for his team or him personally since leta's all-kill during WL
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Ye, 40 games (a whole TLPD page) and only 2 losses that mattered. Thats pretty stunning...
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On May 10 2010 23:58 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 23:06 SuperArc wrote:On May 10 2010 22:00 StylishVODs wrote:
Making maybe a totally useless statement but if Flash hadn't lost one game to fantasy and focused more vs MVP who he clearly can beat without a sweat he would be on a 24 game winning streak.! That's really useless. -_- That's like Hey guys! You know if Jaedong hand't lost to Flash in the last OSL and beat him like in the MSL finals he would have raped Calm and Movie to get a fourth OSL! ... Sliiiiight exeggeration but I get the point... I even mentioned it.
It's Super Arc, he does things like that.
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MvP at 8 whilst movie doesn't get a mention, my only gripes. Thanks Plexa.
Yay Kal is #3!!
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On May 10 2010 08:53 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 04:21 Djabanete wrote:On May 09 2010 03:30 Mooncat wrote:On May 09 2010 03:19 Djabanete wrote:On May 09 2010 03:13 Mooncat wrote:
Uhm... guys?
You know Jaedong is not in the finals yet right? Calm has beaten him once in a Bo5, he can do so again. Not to mention that JD's ZvZ looks far from invincible atm. I'm not saying he's not the favorite, but Jesus Christ ZvZ is so unpredictable, he's far from 100% in the finals yet.
I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. + Show Spoiler +You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player.
Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already. The thing is, it is unlikely for Jaedong to lose to Calm. Possible, but unlikely. I'm not acting as if Jaedong is already in the finals --- I'm merely pointing out that Jaedong is a huge favorite to beat Calm and that I'll be quite surprised if he fails to. In reponse to the part that I bolded --- I can think of at least 3 ZvZ Bo5's off the top of my head that Jaedong has won 3-0. Which 3? He swept Fake Yellow in the Bacchus OSL final and hero in the semi-finals of the Batoo OSL. Calm beat him 3-1 in the semi-finals of the Avalon MSL. What other ZvZ Bo5s has Jaedong played? ( TLPD doesn't show any others.)
Haha you got me. I just remembered that for some reason I was remembering Jaedong as having beaten type-b, but it was Yarnc who eliminated him. So, my mistake. I still feel pretty confident that Jaedong will take this though, and my wager with Mooncat stands, if he agrees to it.
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On May 09 2010 03:30 Mooncat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 03:19 Djabanete wrote:On May 09 2010 03:13 Mooncat wrote:
Uhm... guys?
You know Jaedong is not in the finals yet right? Calm has beaten him once in a Bo5, he can do so again. Not to mention that JD's ZvZ looks far from invincible atm. I'm not saying he's not the favorite, but Jesus Christ ZvZ is so unpredictable, he's far from 100% in the finals yet.
I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player. Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already.
I don't think it's always crazy to predict a 3-0 in any way.
When Jaedong was about to face hero in the OSL I laughed at anybody who didn't predict a 3-0 or at the very least a 3-1
Also Jaedong might not be invicible in ZvZ, but he won 15/18 of his last ZvZs, I think that's pretty good.
Of course it's not 100% he'll beat calm (against hero it was really really close to 100%), but calm is the big underdog obviously.
Other than that I totally forgot checking Power Rank this month.
Seems like plexa dislikes all the players I'm a fan of but oh well. I agree with the top3, for the rest I havent been watching enough games to judge.
Other than a jaedong flash finals I believe that effort vs kal will be the most exciting series we will get to see this season. I'm sooooooooooooooo pumped about it, I'll be sooo excited seeing effort murder kal in close matches. I just hope he doesn't choke.
I BELIEVE
(such an appropriate sentence, when refering to alien effort)
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