EPTPower Rank 05/03/2010 - Page 12
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On May 08 2010 23:23 okum wrote: Fun fact: Flash now has more wins than Jaedong against protoss (and fewer losses). Another fun fact: Jaedong has played one toss player since March 1st. 70 days, 33 Games and only one game against a toss player. Hoping for a Kal - Flash; Jaedong-Flash finals. | ||
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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
also, goodbye MVP, it's been sweet | ||
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olof
Sweden254 Posts
Great to see Kal get a welldeserved spot though. Seems to be the best toss for the moment. (stx fanboypost <3) | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
You know Jaedong is not in the finals yet right? Calm has beaten him once in a Bo5, he can do so again. Not to mention that JD's ZvZ looks far from invincible atm. I'm not saying he's not the favorite, but Jesus Christ ZvZ is so unpredictable, he's far from 100% in the finals yet. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:13 Mooncat wrote: Uhm... guys? You know Jaedong is not in the finals yet right? Calm has beaten him once in a Bo5, he can do so again. Not to mention that JD's ZvZ looks far from invincible atm. I'm not saying he's not the favorite, but Jesus Christ ZvZ is so unpredictable, he's far from 100% in the finals yet. I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:19 Djabanete wrote: I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. This is why the results of the possible Bo5 between Flash and Jaedong can't push Flash of the #1 spot. Flash has to prepare for both finals. I almost wish both players were only in one league to get the best games possible. Jaedong knew in the past how hard it is to prepare for both and thats why he "sacked" MSL that time. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:19 Djabanete wrote: I seriously doubt that Calm can beat Jaedong in a Bo5 that Jaedong actually practices for. Last time, Jaedong was focused on the Golden Mouse and admitted in his winner's interview after beating Fantasy that he basically hadn't practiced for the MSL at all. This time, Jaedong has only the MSL to focus on and it's obvious which player is in better form. Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0 over Calm if they meet in a Bo5. You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player. Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:30 Mooncat wrote: You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player. Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already. Well how come JD has won so many ZvZs so convincingly then? Even when he had bad luck he managed to win. Jaedong lost the series against Calm because at that time Jaedong went 12 hatch every game. And Calm fully abused it by going 9pool speed every game. Yes, ZvZ is the most luck bed matchup by far, but Jaedong is a player who actually can turn from 50% chance to 70%. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:36 SuperArc wrote: Well how come JD has won so many ZvZs so convincingly then? Even when he had bad luck he managed to win. Jaedong lost the series against Calm because at that time Jaedong went 12 hatch every game. And Calm fully abused it by going 9pool speed every game. Yes, ZvZ is the most luck bed matchup by far, but Jaedong is a player who actually can turn from 50% chance to 70%. I think he means that he won so many ZvZ based on his raw skill. I agree that zvz is probably the matchup needed the least preparation but non the less you have to play it alot before a match to get the right feel of it. Beeing in both leagues might have prevented Jaedong from playing it enough to get the feel before the match, but all this is just speculation. What's not speculation is that it's harder to prepare for two finals than one, or to get into two finals in the first place for that matter... | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:30 Mooncat wrote: + Show Spoiler + You predict a 3-0 win an ZvZ Bo5? Dude... No matter who's playing, that's just crazy. If a ZvZ Bo5 goes 3-0 either way it's pure luck because chances are there's at least one build order win for the inferior player. Furthermore it's a sad excuse to say "he didn't practice for it". Give Calm some credit here. Seriously, if there's one match-up where it doesn't hurt when you don't practice it's ZvZ, especially when you're Jaedong who had 80%+ ZvZ stats back then. What's there to practice? The 3-5 different BOs? ZvZ is the most raw talent and luck based match-up by far. Practicing won't help you much unless you do really really crazy stuff that happens to work out and even the options for that are limited. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's not bloody unlikely Jaedong could lose to Calm, so stop acting as if he were in the finals already. The thing is, it is unlikely for Jaedong to lose to Calm. Possible, but unlikely. I'm not acting as if Jaedong is already in the finals --- I'm merely pointing out that Jaedong is a huge favorite to beat Calm and that I'll be quite surprised if he fails to. In reponse to the part that I bolded --- I can think of at least 3 ZvZ Bo5's off the top of my head that Jaedong has won 3-0. In fact, unless my memory fails me, the only ZvZ that Jaedong didn't 3-0 was the one he didn't practice for because he was too busy winning the Golden Mouse. Practice and preparation matter even in ZvZ, and Calm is about to find out what a Bo5 against a well-prepared Jaedong is like. I'll offer you a friendly wager if you'd like --- Jaedong wins 3-0 or 3-1, you change your sig to "I was owned by angry Jaedong" for at least 2 weeks. Jaedong wins 3-2 or loses, it's a 3-month ban for me. | ||
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olof
Sweden254 Posts
hmpf.. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 09 2010 04:13  Jaedong wrote:Also, even though it’s not good to think like this, only having to prepare for SPL and MSL is much easier. It’s been a long time since I’ve been this relaxed. Calm should be scared. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On August 14 2009 22:28 ghostWriter wrote: -Your loss in the round of 4 of the Avalon MSL must have been distressing as well. ▲After I lost yesterday to Calm, I felt that he must have prepared very thoroughly. Even in the first game, I won simply because he made a mistake, not because I played well. I definitely wanted to win, but since I wasn't really ready for those games, I wouldn't have been happy even if I won.Yes or no question: will Jaedong be ready for this Bo5? Answer: yes For those who don't remember, Jaedong was in two simultaneous semifinals and the proleague grand finals all at once. Calm won fair and square, don't get me wrong. It's just that this time he'll lose fair and square and we'll all be able to put this behind us. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On May 09 2010 04:44 Djabanete wrote: Yes or no question: will Jaedong be ready for this Bo5? Answer: yes For those who don't remember, Jaedong was in two simultaneous semifinals and the proleague grand finals all at once. Calm won fair and square, don't get me wrong. It's just that this time he'll lose fair and square and we'll all be able to put this behind us. I agree. 3:0 or 3:1 for Jaedong incoming. This time Jaedong will prepare like crazy for this bo5 and we all know that when it comes to bo5 Jaedong is (almost) unbeatable. | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On May 09 2010 05:33 nodule wrote: Calm has looked quite bad in ZvZ lately. I don't think that he's much of a threat to the dong On May 08 2010 21:36 Caos2 wrote: Jaedong ZvZ matches in the last two months Calm ZvZ matches in the last two months The 'dong has this. Although the secret to beating Calm zvz is pretty simple. Just make scourge. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On May 08 2010 23:06 adelarge wrote: Fun fact - players left in OSL/MSL semis: Protoss - Kal, Pure, Free Zerg - Effort, Calm, Jaedong Terran - Flash Despite people screaming and crying how terribly are terran imbalanced, how are maps horrible for any non-terran players, how are we gonna see double TvT finals this season etc, we are in the same situation like last season. Only terran who got at least to semifinals is Flash. Where are the terran dominance doomsayers now? the only good terrans these days are light really (or reality wtf with that) fantasy baby midas ....have i left anyone ? and i do mean good in a way where there is no real weakness i dont care how much goos u are in tvz if u suck vs protoss forgg sucks vs protoos fantasy suck vs z ( he lost to shine and calm in msl and osl ) and sea doesnt count since he never passes r 8 (no matter what .) baby lost to flash and to mvp who btw lost to flash really well.... i dont really rem what happened to really but he sort of went to a slump didnt pass the r32 in both leagues midas lost to jaedong (.....i dont think the maps did the diffrence but thats like trying to figure if a car is heavier if u fill it with gas ) and never made the osl prelim since in those days he didnt really played as good as now. and for finish light lost to 3 protoss and 1 of them was perfect man in a bo 3 so i dont really agree with u on that, its more of most terrans these day suck and those who doesnt exterminate each other ) and the signs are clear hiya made it to the round of 8 ! hiya !!!! (and i'm an oz fan) baby took jaedong in a bo3 (granted he played very good ,,,, nvm he played better than jaedong ) i lost my point but still u get what i'm saying | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 08 2010 23:06 adelarge wrote: Fun fact - players left in OSL/MSL semis: Protoss - Kal, Pure, Free Zerg - Effort, Calm, Jaedong Terran - Flash Despite people screaming and crying how terribly are terran imbalanced, how are maps horrible for any non-terran players, how are we gonna see double TvT finals this season etc, we are in the same situation like last season. Only terran who got at least to semifinals is Flash. Where are the terran dominance doomsayers now? Isn't that odd... People said the maps favoured Terran and yet Flash is the only Terran left. It's almost like Flash is so good that he distorts map statistics in favour of Terrans. (Just a wild guess.) | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Most the good terrans who aren't flash are either slumping, PL wonders, or new. Flash is really the only title caliber terran when Fantasy is slumping. | ||
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