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On January 12 2010 23:57 Kreedit wrote:
Makes me so dizzy... this pr is 9 days old yet so many people keeps harping on it like it just came out.
Also wtf is up with people using recent results to try and disprove the pr???
I mean wtf thats got to be a new low.
I think Plexa did use results to try and prove it too xD
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On January 13 2010 02:44 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 23:57 Kreedit wrote:
Makes me so dizzy... this pr is 9 days old yet so many people keeps harping on it like it just came out.
Also wtf is up with people using recent results to try and disprove the pr???
I mean wtf thats got to be a new low. I think Plexa did use results to try and prove it too xD
I mean people using stuff that happened AFTER the pr came out to disprove it.
Or do you mean Plexa tried to argue the same way???
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Plexa has definitely used results that happened after the PR to back up his current PR. As have others.
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On January 12 2010 23:12 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 22:16 Roffles wrote:
I agree with Plexa. No Bisu = Perfect power rank. The guy hasn't been showing ANY results in ANY leagues as of late. How can you put someone who doesn't achieve anything in leagues or any real dominating PL results on the PR? I don`t think most people have a problem with him being off the PR since he had a few rough months, but to say his not dominating PL is a straight up lie, hes 14-4 with Flash as the only player with 10+ games with a better winrate (maybe someone has better that I did not check, but I checked most of the PL players who regularly wins like Sea, Violet, Jaedong etc). The only points to be made against him in PL is that he have not played that many very good players and he have played less games than a lot of the other PL monsters, but that is not really his fault since SKT have rarely been in Ace matches this season and hes not the sole Ace + hes missed out on games due to being sent out in the 4th set.
Check out the player standings.
You're right, Bisu's win rate is second only to Flash's, among players who have played more than 2 games. That's right, if you've played more than 2 proleague games (*cough*Tempest 2-0), your win rate is worse than Bisu's 14-4 and Flash's 20-3.
In short: yes, Bisu is dominating proleague just as he should.
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Who wrote this, is it still FS? Not having Bisu on the powerrank is pretty ridiculous lol...
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Read the thread. Plexa is filling in for Riptide, who took over for JWD, who took over for Fakesteve.
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On January 14 2010 10:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Read the thread. Plexa is filling in for Riptide, who took over for JWD, who took over for Fakesteve.
Haha pushing the responsibility onto other people...
fearing the wrath of angry fanboys... 
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FAKESTEVE WHO TOOK OVER FOR DJETTERSTYLE
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Two finals for Flash.
Even if he manages to lose both he must keep #1.
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On January 14 2010 22:27 SuperArc wrote:
Two finals for Flash.
Even if he manages to lose both he must keep #1.
Depends on how he loses them (especially if he gets annihilated horribly by the Dong)
But yeah he should win at least one if not both (I think he wins both, plenty of time to prepare for each).
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When Flash wins against Movie in OSL, Jaedong in MSL and Hero in proleague, I expect to see him in top 3 slots for next month's powerrank AND a bonjwa status sticker.
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flash's bonjwa status will reasonably depend on his performance in the NEXT round of starleagues, not this round
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On January 15 2010 00:44 o[twist] wrote:
flash's bonjwa status will reasonably depend on his performance in the NEXT round of starleagues, not this round
Nope, being a Bonjwa is simply an unmistakable feeling of superiority. There's just no argument in your mind that that player is better than all of your favorites. Most bonjwas were recognized maybe 2 seasons into their berth (Like how Oov, Nada and Savior all three won a couple of MSLs before everyone just realized that there's no competing with them), but, let's be honest, none of the bonjwas double won the starleagues before people thought they were bonjwas -- Nada only did it after his back to back MSL win where everyone knew he was easily the best.
If Flash is gonna break every other record, maybe he can break the perception that being a bonjwa requires a prolonged experience.
I mean, think about it, if it were about performance over a couple of seasons, Jaedong won back to back OSLs in boxer like fashion, while simultaneously carrying his team and performing fairly well in MSL (losing in group stages once and the Ro4 once, very respectable showings given the workload), but few are readily willing to admit he's bonjwa because his crazy performance left a feeling of want.
I'm not sure anyone thinks Flash is leaving anything to want. He's somehow got 2 matches over a 70% winrate right now and, frankly, his losses are all so pathetically miniscule to his wins that it's like when Savior would drop proleague games -- you know it doesn't mean anything.
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Exactly--Flash's loses recently have almost without exception been against top players in series that he won anyway. His PL loss to Really was the one "significant" loss in recent memory I can recall.
He hasn't been bested, like Jaedong was by Fantasy in PL grand finals or Calm in the MSL semi-finals. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks
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Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. Flash may be in both finals, but he hasn't won either of them yet.
And I figured I'd just throw it out again - isn't it kind of a pointless argument anyway? It's not like the foreign community on TL takes a vote to determine if Flash is bonjwa, that's for the Koreans to decide...
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Nah, we can totally decide amongst ourselves what we truly think of Flash.
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I find it interesting that if we take Flash out of the equation, JD above Stork would probably be pretty uncontroversial. Minus his Bo3 vs Flash, JD lost only one game in December. On top of that, he would've been a heavy favorite against pretty much any Terran in a Bo5, including Sea. His ZvT still wouldn't look as ferocious as it once did, but it would be hard to pick on him too much for that if there weren't any Terrans strong enough to convincingly defeat him in a Bo5. Additionally, without his win over Flash, there would be much less reason to have confidence in Stork's PvT, just because he didn't really play much PvT. JD's ZvP, in contrast, would look no less ferocious, and in a head to head Stork would definitely be the underdog.
On the other hand, Flash physically ascending into the heavens to take his place among the gods would make some of Plexa's other decisions look more reasonable. Most likely there wouldn't be nearly as many people complaining about Calm's placement without his series against Flash. Sea's placement would also seem slightly less controversial, for as Plexa pointed out, his TvT would have been the one to beat. I'm not sure how it would affect Zero.
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On January 15 2010 08:46 conTAgi0n wrote:
I find it interesting that if we take Flash out of the equation, JD above Stork would probably be pretty uncontroversial. Minus his Bo3 vs Flash, JD lost only one game in December. On top of that, he would've been a heavy favorite against pretty much any Terran in a Bo5, including Sea. His ZvT still wouldn't look as ferocious as it once did, but it would be hard to pick on him too much for that if there weren't any Terrans strong enough to convincingly defeat him in a Bo5. Additionally, without his win over Flash, there would be much less reason to have confidence in Stork's PvT, just because he didn't really play much PvT. JD's ZvP, in contrast, would look no less ferocious, and in a head to head Stork would definitely be the underdog.
On the other hand, Flash physically ascending into the heavens to take his place among the gods would make some of Plexa's other decisions look more reasonable. Most likely there wouldn't be nearly as many people complaining about Calm's placement without his series against Flash. Sea's placement would also seem slightly less controversial, for as Plexa pointed out, his TvT would have been the one to beat. I'm not sure how it would affect Zero.
I agree with that. thopol wrote in his Kal vs Jaedong hype-thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109964):
Jaedong's play has not declined substantially since his super-human spring and summer season, but Flash is simply playing better.
And that's basically it. He is playing good in PL (4-0 in Ace matches, decent record overall) 3-0ed his OSL-group, 2-0ed his MSL-group, 2-0ed Firefist and 3-0ed Stats. Not the hardest competition overall, but he simply hasn't lost an important game with the exception of the series against Flash.
If it wasn't for Flashs brilliance, noone would doubt JD.
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Flash has peaked. He'll lose one or both leagues.
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On January 15 2010 12:36 WWJDD wrote:
Flash has peaked. He'll lose one or both leagues.
no way. either he'll play jaedong and movie or kal and movie. both possibilities include movie. whos PvT is still below 50%. movie's PvT isn't horrible, but its not something you'd expect someone who's in the OSL finals to have. jaedong and kal are decent contenders against flash, yes, but flash is still the favorite above both of them. we're just watching to find out how well flash will prepare for his games.
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