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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 09:57:02
December 27 2009 09:53 GMT
#501
Seeing the results this month, i believe Flash deserves nr. 1 AND nr. 2 spots. Everyone else is so behind...
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 27 2009 10:00 GMT
#502
On December 27 2009 18:53 johanes wrote:
Seeing the results this month, i believe Flash deserves nr. 1 AND nr. 2 spots. Everyone else is so behind...


Look at JD's stats, look at his play. It's #1 worthy, but Flash is just even better.

But saying JD is so behind Flash is just fanboyism.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
December 27 2009 10:03 GMT
#503
On December 27 2009 19:00 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 18:53 johanes wrote:
Seeing the results this month, i believe Flash deserves nr. 1 AND nr. 2 spots. Everyone else is so behind...


Look at JD's stats, look at his play. It's #1 worthy, but Flash is just even better.

But saying JD is so behind Flash is just fanboyism.

well he certainly didnt look even when they met + Show Spoiler +
JK, although truth
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
December 27 2009 12:06 GMT
#504
On December 27 2009 09:25 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 08:53 darktreb wrote:
Calm is definitely #3. That's what you deserve when you're a league champion and now in OSL ro4. Plus he went 9-1 this month, only losing a ZvZ to Hyun while beating Effort/Shine/Zero as well as Pure to make OSL.

After that it's really hard to say. I think you have to put the other OSL semifinalists as 4/5 - both guys beat very hard opponents in impressive fashion, especially Movie (but Shine has played better overall I think when including PL).

I don't think Kal or Hwasin's runs have been that impressive. Didn't Kwanro murder Kal in PL this month too? I find it funny nobody mentions Kwanro. But Kal has had a really good month overall.

And of course Bisu/Stork/Effort get spots because when you watch their games you can see their incredible skill. And they've been playing well aside from disappointing individual league performances.

So I'd say:

1. Flash
2. the DONG
3. Calm
4. Shine (losses this month are to Calm where he still qualified for OSL, Bisu in PL, and Stork but he still won the BO3 ... many good wins this month including Stork and fantasy)
5. Movie
6. Stork (literally one win away from being #3 ... but you can't lose that 3rd game, tough)
7. Kal
8/9 Bisu/Effort (partly depends on if Effort crushes Stork)
10. Kwanro

CBNC
- Zero (had a really rough month but he's still one of the best, put up a great fight against Flash after a bunch of tough ZvP losses)
- Light (beat hero but hasn't done much this month overall, didn't exactly look amazing in his games either)

As for Best? Literally all he did this month was win a PvT against a teammate, beat a rookie in PvT in PL, and get slaughtered by Stork


Including PL, Movie played better than Shine..., especially since he had to play PvZ (imba matchup )


I don't know man, I love Movie (my favorite P by far) but Shine's run has been insane. He has only lost to elite players this month, and his OSL run is one of the sickest ever for someone coming out of nowhere. Something about beating Bisu in RO36 seems to bring out the best in an out of nowhere Zerg (hi by.hero).

Also Shine had no embarrassing losses like Movie's game against Jaedong where he looked like he'd been up drinking all night celebrating his OSL win ... probably because he actually had been up drinking all night celebrating.

I just don't think Shine gets enough credit because of all the hate he's attracted. I love Movie and consider him the favorite against Shine (I will be rooting for Movie hard) but all things considered I think Shine is 4a and Movie is 4b.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
December 27 2009 12:54 GMT
#505
On December 27 2009 21:06 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 09:25 SuperArc wrote:
On December 27 2009 08:53 darktreb wrote:
Calm is definitely #3. That's what you deserve when you're a league champion and now in OSL ro4. Plus he went 9-1 this month, only losing a ZvZ to Hyun while beating Effort/Shine/Zero as well as Pure to make OSL.

After that it's really hard to say. I think you have to put the other OSL semifinalists as 4/5 - both guys beat very hard opponents in impressive fashion, especially Movie (but Shine has played better overall I think when including PL).

I don't think Kal or Hwasin's runs have been that impressive. Didn't Kwanro murder Kal in PL this month too? I find it funny nobody mentions Kwanro. But Kal has had a really good month overall.

And of course Bisu/Stork/Effort get spots because when you watch their games you can see their incredible skill. And they've been playing well aside from disappointing individual league performances.

So I'd say:

1. Flash
2. the DONG
3. Calm
4. Shine (losses this month are to Calm where he still qualified for OSL, Bisu in PL, and Stork but he still won the BO3 ... many good wins this month including Stork and fantasy)
5. Movie
6. Stork (literally one win away from being #3 ... but you can't lose that 3rd game, tough)
7. Kal
8/9 Bisu/Effort (partly depends on if Effort crushes Stork)
10. Kwanro

CBNC
- Zero (had a really rough month but he's still one of the best, put up a great fight against Flash after a bunch of tough ZvP losses)
- Light (beat hero but hasn't done much this month overall, didn't exactly look amazing in his games either)

As for Best? Literally all he did this month was win a PvT against a teammate, beat a rookie in PvT in PL, and get slaughtered by Stork


Including PL, Movie played better than Shine..., especially since he had to play PvZ (imba matchup )


I don't know man, I love Movie (my favorite P by far) but Shine's run has been insane. He has only lost to elite players this month, and his OSL run is one of the sickest ever for someone coming out of nowhere. Something about beating Bisu in RO36 seems to bring out the best in an out of nowhere Zerg (hi by.hero).

Also Shine had no embarrassing losses like Movie's game against Jaedong where he looked like he'd been up drinking all night celebrating his OSL win ... probably because he actually had been up drinking all night celebrating.

I just don't think Shine gets enough credit because of all the hate he's attracted. I love Movie and consider him the favorite against Shine (I will be rooting for Movie hard) but all things considered I think Shine is 4a and Movie is 4b.


I actually believe that big part of shine hate is caused by his looks; he is not likeable like bisu, cute like zero or fun like fbh. Combine with destroying peoples favourites, he is suddenly hated far to much. With time and with (possibly) continued good results hi reputation will probably begin to shine.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 27 2009 20:31 GMT
#506
On December 27 2009 15:17 ndralcasid wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu losing to FROZEAN should seal the deal for people thinking about putting him on the list this month


I don't agree. Watch what happened with Calm last month.
Revolutionist fan
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
December 27 2009 20:33 GMT
#507
That was one month's badness. This is two.
Jaedong
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 27 2009 20:52 GMT
#508
Aye Bisu out of the top10, give someone else the spot. We had many good players this month, Bisu not being one of them.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 12:31:50
December 28 2009 11:11 GMT
#509
On December 27 2009 21:06 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 09:25 SuperArc wrote:
On December 27 2009 08:53 darktreb wrote:
Calm is definitely #3. That's what you deserve when you're a league champion and now in OSL ro4. Plus he went 9-1 this month, only losing a ZvZ to Hyun while beating Effort/Shine/Zero as well as Pure to make OSL.

After that it's really hard to say. I think you have to put the other OSL semifinalists as 4/5 - both guys beat very hard opponents in impressive fashion, especially Movie (but Shine has played better overall I think when including PL).

I don't think Kal or Hwasin's runs have been that impressive. Didn't Kwanro murder Kal in PL this month too? I find it funny nobody mentions Kwanro. But Kal has had a really good month overall.

And of course Bisu/Stork/Effort get spots because when you watch their games you can see their incredible skill. And they've been playing well aside from disappointing individual league performances.

So I'd say:

1. Flash
2. the DONG
3. Calm
4. Shine (losses this month are to Calm where he still qualified for OSL, Bisu in PL, and Stork but he still won the BO3 ... many good wins this month including Stork and fantasy)
5. Movie
6. Stork (literally one win away from being #3 ... but you can't lose that 3rd game, tough)
7. Kal
8/9 Bisu/Effort (partly depends on if Effort crushes Stork)
10. Kwanro

CBNC
- Zero (had a really rough month but he's still one of the best, put up a great fight against Flash after a bunch of tough ZvP losses)
- Light (beat hero but hasn't done much this month overall, didn't exactly look amazing in his games either)

As for Best? Literally all he did this month was win a PvT against a teammate, beat a rookie in PvT in PL, and get slaughtered by Stork


Including PL, Movie played better than Shine..., especially since he had to play PvZ (imba matchup )


I don't know man, I love Movie (my favorite P by far) but Shine's run has been insane. He has only lost to elite players this month, and his OSL run is one of the sickest ever for someone coming out of nowhere. Something about beating Bisu in RO36 seems to bring out the best in an out of nowhere Zerg (hi by.hero).

Also Shine had no embarrassing losses like Movie's game against Jaedong where he looked like he'd been up drinking all night celebrating his OSL win ... probably because he actually had been up drinking all night celebrating.

I just don't think Shine gets enough credit because of all the hate he's attracted. I love Movie and consider him the favorite against Shine (I will be rooting for Movie hard) but all things considered I think Shine is 4a and Movie is 4b.


Shine has been playing more consistent, but I think Movie has more upside. You can say that Shine is 4a and Movie is 4b, but if you look at their records it's pretty similar.

As for who wins in the OSL Ro4. I think its 50/50 mainly because El Nino and HBR favors Zerg. If the maps were more balanced, I would favor Movie. But Movie, he wins against Zergs in Zerg favored maps, especially on HBR.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 15:29:36
December 28 2009 15:28 GMT
#510
well Calm sure did vindicate keeping a PR rank last month. I guess it's Bisu's turn to justify not being wiped off the map? He's played far too well in PL to not rank higher than, for example, Sea, but definitely below his own standards.
the last wcs commissioner
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 28 2009 20:23 GMT
#511
Bisu has played worse than Sea in PL, thusfar.
Remember Violet.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
December 29 2009 12:13 GMT
#512
On December 26 2009 21:05 FireGuyX wrote:
1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Calm
4.Shine
5.Stork
6.Movie
7.Best
8.Kal
9.Light
10.Sea



I stand by Sea at being #10.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 29 2009 12:14 GMT
#513

#3 Bisu

Anti-fans are going to rage hard about this entry, but the truth is Bisu is clearly #3 on the scene at the moment. While certainly below Jaedong's standard in most matchups right now, he is still playing great Starcraft. Despite a loss to Luxury early on, Bisu delivered the results needed for SKT T1, and though now out of the OSL, is still by far one of the strongest contenders for a MSL title this season. Simply put, Bisu just didn't play enough this month to justify putting him lower. His games haven't been spectacular, sure, but remember, that's all relative. This guy is still one of progaming's most consistent performers, and it shows.

Bisu was given his 'benefit of the doubt' month this month. He should be lucky to get a low #9/10 spot in Jan.

Do you really want someone who got manner-CC'd by CuteAngel high on the PR?
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 12:36:59
December 29 2009 12:34 GMT
#514
On December 29 2009 21:14 Hinanawi wrote:
Show nested quote +

#3 Bisu

Anti-fans are going to rage hard about this entry, but the truth is Bisu is clearly #3 on the scene at the moment. While certainly below Jaedong's standard in most matchups right now, he is still playing great Starcraft. Despite a loss to Luxury early on, Bisu delivered the results needed for SKT T1, and though now out of the OSL, is still by far one of the strongest contenders for a MSL title this season. Simply put, Bisu just didn't play enough this month to justify putting him lower. His games haven't been spectacular, sure, but remember, that's all relative. This guy is still one of progaming's most consistent performers, and it shows.

Bisu was given his 'benefit of the doubt' month this month. He should be lucky to get a low #9/10 spot in Jan.

Do you really want someone who got manner-CC'd by CuteAngel high on the PR?


yes. i mean, 2-0 vs Fox Zergs. Show me another P who can do this.

//e: give him CBNC..
Bisu... ;-(
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 15:33:23
December 29 2009 15:31 GMT
#515
I kinda miss Leta in this List.... There cannot be a Top-10 right now without him IMO.

Also, Fantasy should be placed higher and Stork too, if you look at this month... Sea shouldn't even be in the Top-10, because in every other League than the Proleague, he is insignificant. There are tons of Players that deserve to be in this List more than Sea, like Light, Kal, JangBi, the aforementoined Leta etc.

And yes; Bisu is clearly overrated atm. He lost games he should've never lost this month.
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 17:07:54
December 29 2009 16:51 GMT
#516
On December 30 2009 00:31 kickinhead wrote:
I kinda miss Leta in this List.... There cannot be a Top-10 right now without him IMO.

Also, Fantasy should be placed higher and Stork too, if you look at this month... Sea shouldn't even be in the Top-10, because in every other League than the Proleague, he is insignificant. There are tons of Players that deserve to be in this List more than Sea, like Light, Kal, JangBi, the aforementoined Leta etc.

And yes; Bisu is clearly overrated atm. He lost games he should've never lost this month.

Fantasy higher? i dont think so, fantasy has been just bad lately
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 17:27:40
December 29 2009 17:27 GMT
#517
With (P)Stork's and (P)Movie's failure today there should be no discussion who the top3 are gonna be.

(T)Flash
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm

Stork/Movie/Kal/Shine all deserve #4 imo.

The rest can be given to Effort, Hwasin, Kwanro...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
December 29 2009 17:44 GMT
#518
On December 30 2009 02:27 SuperArc wrote:
With (P)Stork's and (P)Movie's failure today there should be no discussion who the top3 are gonna be.

(T)Flash
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm

Stork/Movie/Kal/Shine all deserve #4 imo.

The rest can be given to Effort, Hwasin, Kwanro...


didn't calm just fail yesterday lol

and i'm a huge leta fan but it's absurd to put him above sea, come on
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
December 29 2009 19:17 GMT
#519
On December 30 2009 02:27 SuperArc wrote:
With (P)Stork's and (P)Movie's failure today there should be no discussion who the top3 are gonna be.

(T)Flash
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm

Stork/Movie/Kal/Shine all deserve #4 imo.

The rest can be given to Effort, Hwasin, Kwanro...


calm = fail ?
Bisu... ;-(
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 19:55:30
December 29 2009 19:43 GMT
#520
On December 30 2009 04:17 SkytoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 02:27 SuperArc wrote:
With (P)Stork's and (P)Movie's failure today there should be no discussion who the top3 are gonna be.

(T)Flash
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm

Stork/Movie/Kal/Shine all deserve #4 imo.

The rest can be given to Effort, Hwasin, Kwanro...


calm = fail ?

I think the fact that (Z)Calm has won all his games in the OSL is significantly more important than a loss in PL. Even (T)Flash lost to (Z)HyuN this month in PL and no one is disputing that he's the #1 player by miles.

I'd say (Z)Calm's just slightly ahead of (P)Kal because he's played better quality opponents the Last month while having basically the same win:loss ratio.
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